-Original Message-
From: Hartmut Holzgraefe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 01 February 2002 11:20
To: Sam Liddicott
Cc: Stig S. Bakken; Manuel Lemos; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] NEW PHP standalone compiler
Sam Liddicott wrote:
have you had a look on php4/Zend/LICENSE lately ? ;)
No I checked the one on the web site, url provided at the time, but you
could stop playing games and get to the point.
[goes off to check]
I'm not sure which file you meant by
Actually, with all optimizations on, it seems that my site was
running
slower and consuming more CPU cycles when I just used Zend
Optimizer.
Sure, since the compilation takes longer due to the optimizations
made.
Using the Zend Optimizer makes only sense if a) your application
runs
-Original Message-
From: Hartmut Holzgraefe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 31 January 2002 10:15
To: Sam Liddicott
Cc: Stig S. Bakken; Manuel Lemos; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] NEW PHP standalone compiler
Sam Liddicott wrote:
have you had a look on php4/Zend/LICENSE lately ? ;)
Yes, I checked it minutes before sending out my mail. Have you?
so you've noticed the difference between CVS revision 1.5 and 1.6
of that file?
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--- Stig S. Bakken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You have of course hit a very weak spot for PHP here.
I agree that it would be great if PHP bundled a bytecode compiler,
cache, optimizer etc. But the fact is that Zend, who has
contributed no
small part of PHP, depend on selling these as
- Add an API function that can compile arbitrary PHP scripts.
How do you want to handle includes or evals in the code to be compiled?
This is a majopr problem I see with a naive standalone compiler.
- Add an API function for loading arbitrary compiled code.
somewhat trickier.
- If
Well, George Schlossnagle already proposed to submit APC and other
useful extensions for inclusion in PHP.
http://news.php.net/article.php?group=php.devarticle=64437
At the time, it was not done because Zeev said it would be necessary to
add a directory in PHP tree for extensions that
Hello,
George Schlossnagle wrote:
- Add an API function that can compile arbitrary PHP scripts.
How do you want to handle includes or evals in the code to be compiled?
This is a majopr problem I see with a naive standalone compiler.
I am not aware. What exactly is the problem?
When I
Manuel Lemos wrote:
Actually, with all optimizations on, it seems that my site was running
slower and consuming more CPU cycles when I just used Zend Optimizer.
Sure, since the compilation takes longer due to the optimizations made.
Using the Zend Optimizer makes only sense if a) your
David Eriksson wrote:
I can't see any problems living without eval(). But I'm a C++ kind of guy
most of the time... :-)
include(), require() ... are members of the eval() family,
and include pathes created at runtime are not that uncommon
after all, even if they are just of the form
-Original Message-
From: Stig S. Bakken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 31 January 2002 08:49
To: Manuel Lemos
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] NEW PHP standalone compiler (was Re: [PHP-DEV]
Here we try again
Sam Liddicott wrote:
The Zend Open Source license
http://www.php.net/license/ZendGrant/ZendGrant3.png
and http://www.php.net/license/ZendGrant/ZendGrant4.png (see 5a) you MUST
provide the source to software which links with it. It will take lawyers to
decide if compiled php which requires
Manuel Lemos wrote:
If it still look too expansive to you, compared to the free perl compiler,
there is also a perl compiler that costs $5,000...
Alain, be serious, Java compilers cost nothing. I know for a fact that a
lot of people are discarding PHP because there is not an officially
: Michael Kimsal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:57 PM
Subject: [PHP-DEV] Re: [Apc-cache] Re: [PHP-DEV] NEW PHP standalone compiler
(was Re: [PHP-DEV] Here we try again)
Manuel Lemos wrote
On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 04:18:08PM -0700, Peter Janett wrote :
Just a quick answer to your question, regarding Cold Fusion. It does come
with a way to encrypt the files. So, just like PHP, you still have your
text based scripts, but you can encrypt them, so that the source code can
only be
Michael Kimsal wrote:
Perhaps (and I know it's been said before) what is needed is an open
engine that could interpret and execute PHP separately from the Zend
engine (although they've done a really good job at speed!)
The Zend Engine is open. Instead of proposing to break with Zend, why
Hello,
George Schlossnagle wrote:
Hello,
George Schlossnagle wrote:
APC supports compiled code in the fashion I think you're looking for.
There's a README.compiler in the distribution tar ball.
I know, I use APC in MMAP mode and I noticed that it outputs PHP
compiled code for
Hello,
Michael Kimsal wrote:
It'd be great if I could run APC and Zend Optimizer together, so people
could run 'compiled' scripts from APC or
Zend Encoder on one server, but I don't think that'll ever happen. At
least not with the current
Zend Engine in PHP.
Why not?
Perhaps (and I
Hello,
Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
Michael Kimsal wrote:
Perhaps (and I know it's been said before) what is needed is an open
engine that could interpret and execute PHP separately from the Zend
engine (although they've done a really good job at speed!)
The Zend Engine is open.
Hello Rasmus,
Rasmus Resen Amossen wrote:
Sure. Modify the Zend Engine so that it can be told to write the parsed
Cut...
Yeah! That's more like it! Thnx body!
More ideas are welcome.
You have just hit one of PHP limitations, the ability provide marketable
value to developers
Its not like there are no opensource compilers for php. I have tried one
(http://apc.communityconnect.com) and it works great. George Schlossnagle et
al have done a great job and implemeted all the difficult stuff with optree
serialization/deserialization etc, so making a standalone compiler out
Hello Rasmus,
Rasmus Resen Amossen wrote:
Sure. Modify the Zend Engine so that it can be told to write the parsed
Cut...
Yeah! That's more like it! Thnx body!
More ideas are welcome.
You have just hit one of PHP limitations, the ability provide marketable
value to developers
Hello,
Edin Kadribasic wrote:
Its not like there are no opensource compilers for php. I have tried one
(http://apc.communityconnect.com) and it works great. George Schlossnagle et
al have done a great job and implemeted all the difficult stuff with optree
serialization/deserialization etc,
, but maybe the future: Web Services with
SOAP?
A+
Alain
-Original Message-
From: Manuel Lemos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:28 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] NEW PHP standalone compiler (was Re: [PHP-DEV]
Here we try
Manuel Lemos wrote:
Hello Rasmus,
Rasmus Resen Amossen wrote:
Sure. Modify the Zend Engine so that it can be told to write the parsed
Cut...
Yeah! That's more like it! Thnx body!
More ideas are welcome.
You have just hit one of PHP limitations, the ability provide marketable
value to
Hello,
Alain Samoun wrote:
Manuel:
In all fairness to the Zend people, you can get the compiler for $600/year
or $50 per month.
The unlimited Zend Encoder Unlimited costs $2400. Actually, I don't see
any other Zend Encoder purchase option.
Anyway, like a lot of other PHP users, I am not
APC supports compiled code in the fashion I think you're looking for.
There's a README.compiler in the distribution tar ball.
George
On Wednesday, January 30, 2002, at 10:06 PM, Manuel Lemos wrote:
Hello,
Alain Samoun wrote:
Manuel:
In all fairness to the Zend people, you can get the
Hello,
George Schlossnagle wrote:
APC supports compiled code in the fashion I think you're looking for.
There's a README.compiler in the distribution tar ball.
I know, I use APC in MMAP mode and I noticed that it outputs PHP
compiled code for each script to disk. That is precisely what is
Manuel Lemos wrote:
What is needed that is we can make it work officially as a
compiler, not just as a cache engines that may or may not output
compiled files to the disk.
Take a look at archive.
There were discussion between George and Zeev.
You may be interested.
--
Yasuo Ohgaki
--
PHP
Hello,
George Schlossnagle wrote:
APC supports compiled code in the fashion I think you're looking for.
There's a README.compiler in the distribution tar ball.
I know, I use APC in MMAP mode and I noticed that it outputs PHP
compiled code for each script to disk. That is precisely what
Hello,
Yasuo Ohgaki wrote:
Manuel Lemos wrote:
What is needed that is we can make it work officially as a
compiler, not just as a cache engines that may or may not output
compiled files to the disk.
Take a look at archive.
There were discussion between George and Zeev.
I was not
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