Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
You got it. I'm right there with you. This group get roughly 150 to 200 messages a day. About half of those are Bugzilla messages. I think we could severely imporve the readablity of this group if we seperated the bugs to a PHP-Bugs group. I'm sure most of use wouldn't mind have to two seperate group, because at least then we could tell what we were looking at quickly. Chris Gardner Book Systems, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
Title: RE: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list? I disagree. Again. Dev discussion and bug discussion are often intertwined. Separating them would fragment discussion. Email filters are your friend. Mike Robinson IT / Developer - Toronto Star TV Phone: 416.945.8786 Fax: 416.869.4566 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You got it. I'm right there with you. This group get roughly 150 to 200 messages a day. About half of those are Bugzilla messages. I think we could severely imporve the readablity of this group if we seperated the bugs to a PHP-Bugs group. I'm sure most of use wouldn't mind have to two seperate group, because at least then we could tell what we were looking at quickly.
Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
RE: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?by that logic wouldn't email filters fragment discussion as well -Jason - Original Message - From: Robinson, Mike To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list? I disagree. Again. Dev discussion and bug discussion are often intertwined. Separating them would fragment discussion. Email filters are your friend. Mike Robinson IT / Developer - Toronto Star TV Phone: 416.945.8786 Fax: 416.869.4566 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You got it. I'm right there with you. This group get roughly 150 to 200 messages a day. About half of those are Bugzilla messages. I think we could severely imporve the readablity of this group if we seperated the bugs to a PHP-Bugs group. I'm sure most of use wouldn't mind have to two seperate group, because at least then we could tell what we were looking at quickly. -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
Well, I do have an email filter applied. I do see your point about the discussions being severely related, but if you seperate the two with an email filter anyways, then you're seperating the converastions. If you seperate the group, the conversation about bug could continue on the bug forum, but the general developer threads could get a lot less weakened by other things. Anyways, I'll quite complaining about this now. Chris GardnerBook Systems, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
On Tue, 02 Oct 2001, Chris Gardner wrote: Well, I do have an email filter applied. I do see your point about the discussions being severely related, but if you seperate the two with an email filter anyways, then you're seperating the converastions. If you seperate the group, the conversation about bug could continue on the bug forum, but the general developer threads could get a lot less weakened by other things. Anyways, I'll quite complaining about this now. Nobody would read the bug forum... :) -Andrei * Only 19,999 lines of C++ to my next ski trip... * -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
Right, To me the bug related emails overshadow the developer threads. I almost want to discuss things on the cvs list just because of this. -Jason - Original Message - From: Chris Gardner To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list? Well, I do have an email filter applied. I do see your point about the discussions being severely related, but if you seperate the two with an email filter anyways, then you're seperating the converastions. If you seperate the group, the conversation about bug could continue on the bug forum, but the general developer threads could get a lot less weakened by other things. Anyways, I'll quite complaining about this now. Chris Gardner Book Systems, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
I think that being part of the developer forum means bearing the burden of receiving the bug emails. We've discussed this many times in the past and we always came to the same conclusion. We need developers to look at the bug reports and there's more chance if they get sent to the developers list (I know they can always be filtered out and ignored but I still think it's better). Andi At 09:57 AM 10/2/2001 -0500, Jason Greene wrote: I am sure I am probably rehashing an old issue that I wasn't around for, but I have noticed that it has been incredibly hard to follow php-dev (especially lately since I haven't had as much free time as I normally do). When of the things I noticed is that I commonly miss a php-dev post because of all the bug mailings. I did set up a filter in my mail client; however, IMO , if everyone is having to use a mail filter, wouldn't it be more logical to create a php-bugs list? What do you guys think? -Jason -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
Nobody would read the bug forum... :) That's probably true. I don't read many bug reports now, but every now and then one catches my eye... Cheerio, Marc. -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
haha, good point, well I would ..really I would.. : ) Seriously though, I think it would categorize things a bit better... -Jason - Original Message - From: Andrei Zmievski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chris Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list? On Tue, 02 Oct 2001, Chris Gardner wrote: Well, I do have an email filter applied. I do see your point about the discussions being severely related, but if you seperate the two with an email filter anyways, then you're seperating the converastions. If you seperate the group, the conversation about bug could continue on the bug forum, but the general developer threads could get a lot less weakened by other things. Anyways, I'll quite complaining about this now. Nobody would read the bug forum... :) -Andrei * Only 19,999 lines of C++ to my next ski trip... * -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
sounds logical, BUT what about making one or two people maintainers/owners of every topic, so that a bug is reported to php-bugs or something like that _AND_ sent off to this/these person/people? i joined this group to read about php-development, not about bugs. yeah, i could do filters, but.. i'm lazy ;o) / d Andi Gutmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I think that being part of the developer forum means bearing the burden of receiving the bug emails. We've discussed this many times in the past and we always came to the same conclusion. We need developers to look at the bug reports and there's more chance if they get sent to the developers list (I know they can always be filtered out and ignored but I still think it's better). Andi At 09:57 AM 10/2/2001 -0500, Jason Greene wrote: I am sure I am probably rehashing an old issue that I wasn't around for, but I have noticed that it has been incredibly hard to follow php-dev (especially lately since I haven't had as much free time as I normally do). When of the things I noticed is that I commonly miss a php-dev post because of all the bug mailings. I did set up a filter in my mail client; however, IMO , if everyone is having to use a mail filter, wouldn't it be more logical to create a php-bugs list? What do you guys think? -Jason -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
i joined this group to read about php-development, not about bugs. The two are joined at the hip. -Rasmus -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
I have to agree with you on this one. I WOULD subscribe to the bug list, and i do read the bugs that catch my eye, but most of the time I get bogged down with bug that fall well out of the scope of this forum, and are in areas that i don't have much knowledge. I think the seperated forums would make the discussions a bit more manageable. You have a great point that with the cvs access though. I think have cvs access should REQUIRE you to be a member of the PHP-Bugs list. If you have access, you get the bug reports. It should be hand and hand with that responsibily. Chris Gardner Book Systems, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
true, but then create a new group called something like php-future where i can read about stuff that might happen and stuff you want to add and feature-requests etc.. ? / d Rasmus Lerdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... i joined this group to read about php-development, not about bugs. The two are joined at the hip. -Rasmus -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
: ) Don't worry I am not saying that I won't read bug mails, I still do. Its just that sometimes an important discussion topic will hit php-dev and it will be sandwiched between 50 bug updates( not just bugs), and I miss it. Now I use filters and everything is ok, but I don't think I should always have to. What if there was a digest bug report sent to php-dev, and all the updates went to the bug list? -Jason - Original Message - From: Jani Taskinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jason Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list? Anybody admitting for not reading bug emails should lose their CVS access.. ;) --Jani On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Jason Greene wrote: I am sure I am probably rehashing an old issue that I wasn't around for, but I have noticed that it has been incredibly hard to follow php-dev (especially lately since I haven't had as much free time as I normally do). When of the things I noticed is that I commonly miss a php-dev post because of all the bug mailings. I did set up a filter in my mail client; however, IMO , if everyone is having to use a mail filter, wouldn't it be more logical to create a php-bugs list? What do you guys think? -Jason -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
On Tue, 02 Oct 2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: i joined this group to read about php-development, not about bugs. The two are joined at the hip. Well said. -Andrei I agree. -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
On Tue, 02 Oct 2001, Jason Greene wrote: Don't worry I am not saying that I won't read bug mails, I still do. Its just that sometimes an important discussion topic will hit php-dev and it will be sandwiched between 50 bug updates( not just bugs), and I miss it. Now I use filters and everything is ok, but I don't think I should always have to. Doesn't your email software support sorting messages by threads (or at least subjects)? If not, I can suggest some very good open source ones that do. :) -Andrei Claiming Java is easier than C++ is like saying that K2 is shorter than Everest. -- Larry O'Brien (editor, Software Development) -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
Yes they are and it is every developers responsibility to read them. I am not suggesting anything but a little more categorization Example php-cvs and php-dev are merged at the hip..., but we keep them separate as well. -Jason - Original Message - From: Rasmus Lerdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Daniel Andersson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list? i joined this group to read about php-development, not about bugs. The two are joined at the hip. -Rasmus -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
Well you got me there, If you took a look at my message headers, you would see what evil client I am using at this moment. I try not to rely so much in my client because I am not always at a console with my mail client of choice (reason I should purchase a notebook). It seems that the consensus is to keep everything the way it is, and I am ok with that. I was assuming that maybe everyone else was having problems keeping up : ) I will stick with filters for now. -Jason - Original Message - From: Andrei Zmievski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jason Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Jani Taskinen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list? On Tue, 02 Oct 2001, Jason Greene wrote: Don't worry I am not saying that I won't read bug mails, I still do. Its just that sometimes an important discussion topic will hit php-dev and it will be sandwiched between 50 bug updates( not just bugs), and I miss it. Now I use filters and everything is ok, but I don't think I should always have to. Doesn't your email software support sorting messages by threads (or at least subjects)? If not, I can suggest some very good open source ones that do. :) -Andrei Claiming Java is easier than C++ is like saying that K2 is shorter than Everest. -- Larry O'Brien (editor, Software Development) -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
On Tue, 02 Oct 2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: i joined this group to read about php-development, not about bugs. The two are joined at the hip. Well said. -Andrei Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. --Pablo Picasso -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
ya i know, but what the headers don't tell is that that evil client is running on my linux box using vmware : ) -Jason - Original Message - From: Andrei Zmievski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jason Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Jani Taskinen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list? On Tue, 02 Oct 2001, Jason Greene wrote: Well you got me there, If you took a look at my message headers, you would see what evil client I am using at this moment. I try not to rely so much in my client because I am not always at a console with my mail client of choice (reason I should purchase a notebook). takes look at headers, emits a scream, and falls down -Andrei * Who is Ray and why would we want to selectively trace him? * -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP-DEV] Possibility of moving bugs to another list?
Hi, I am sure I am probably rehashing an old issue that I wasn't around for, but I have noticed that it has been incredibly hard to follow php-dev (especially lately since I haven't had as much free time as I normally do). When of the things I noticed is that I commonly miss a php-dev post because of all the bug mailings. I did set up a filter in my mail client; however, IMO , if everyone is having to use a mail filter, wouldn't it be more logical to create a php-bugs list? What do you guys think? I'd vote for that, as development discussions will get closer to the readers focus. Andre -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
