RE: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
I have it on the BSDs and Solaris too. But most people don't. It doesn't come in as a standard in most operating systems. ok, point for you Zeev, but Emile did not say, you should stop delivering .tar.gz, but in addition offer this .bz2 thing. So why not, if at least those modem-users would benefit of it? (that is at least, how i understood Emile). It is not a real cool solution for the problem, but its a workaround which is better than nothing. just my two ... regards, -Wolfgang -- Deutscher Knotenpunkt fur PHP: Dynamic Web Pages http://dynamicwebpages.de/ News, Tutorials, Skripte, Artikel, BestofGML, WhoIsWho, Handbuch, Bucher ... PHP 4 dynamische Webauftritte professionell realisieren: http://php-buch.de -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
Wolfgang Drews wrote: delivering .tar.gz, but in addition offer this .bz2 thing. So why not, if at least those modem-users would benefit of it? Could benefit, not would benefit. They'd need to download and install bzip2 first. Emile -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
delivering .tar.gz, but in addition offer this .bz2 thing. So why not, if at least those modem-users would benefit of it? Could benefit, not would benefit. They'd need to download and install bzip2 first. yes, sorry for this one (my english is especially on tuesday mornings very confusing ;-)). At least i guess Zeev got the point how i and "maybe" you see this one. regards, -Wolfgang -- German Centralpoint for PHP: Dynamic Web Pages http://dynamicwebpages.de/ news, tutorials, scripts, articles, BestofGML, WhoIsWho, manual, books ... PHP 4 dynamische Webauftritte professionell realisieren: http://php-buch.de -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
Guys, I didn't put any words in Emile's mouth. I know he didn't suggest stopping to distribute .gz files. I was just describing the full 'logical path' to why I don't think that using bzip2 is a very hot idea. Essentially I was saying (a) We can't give up .gz/.zip (b) .bz2 isn't all that much better to warrant a side-by-side situation and cluttering the download page (c) - no real need to mess with bz2 You may disagree about (b)/(c), as I said, it's just my opinion. Zeev At 10:57 20/2/2001, Wolfgang Drews wrote: I have it on the BSDs and Solaris too. But most people don't. It doesn't come in as a standard in most operating systems. ok, point for you Zeev, but Emile did not say, you should stop delivering .tar.gz, but in addition offer this .bz2 thing. So why not, if at least those modem-users would benefit of it? (that is at least, how i understood Emile). It is not a real cool solution for the problem, but its a workaround which is better than nothing. just my two ... regards, -Wolfgang -- Deutscher Knotenpunkt fur PHP: Dynamic Web Pages http://dynamicwebpages.de/ News, Tutorials, Skripte, Artikel, BestofGML, WhoIsWho, Handbuch, Bucher ... PHP 4 dynamische Webauftritte professionell realisieren: http://php-buch.de -- Zeev Suraski [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO co-founder, Zend Technologies Ltd. http://www.zend.com/ -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
what do people think about a PHP 4.0.5 release? We have about 70 change entries in NEWS. Some of the changes are fundamentally needed for some extensions to work correctly or to compile at all. mh.. what about php-gtk? is it going to be included in release? im not sure if this is ok? Peter Petermann -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 09:31:01AM +0100, Sascha Schumann wrote: Hi, what do people think about a PHP 4.0.5 release? We have about 70 change entries in NEWS. Some of the changes are fundamentally needed for some extensions to work correctly or to compile at all. Let me know your thoughts. anytime - -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
Cameron wrote: i'll agree its about due for release, can we do SOMETHING about the download size tho? i dont really have any ideas on decent ways to shrink it but it seems to be bloating to me. could do with the mcrypt fix's and zeev's output buffer fix 1st tho . . . Hum, having just contributed to said download size... we've done our best to minimize the KLOC, removing some cruft and moving a couple of functions into a (separate) library, but we'd be down to stripping comments to go further... the only other thing I could suggest is using bzip2 instead of gzip: -rw-r--r--1 emileemile 1952068 Feb 19 10:53 php-4.0.4pl1.tar.bz -rw-r--r--1 emileemile 2439189 Feb 19 10:52 php-4.0.4pl1.tar.gz which is a 20% size reduction without changing anything else. Emile -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
I would welcome the win32 distributions packed with bzip2 as well. This algorithm is superior to anything else I know (well, at least in compression ratio), and is available to win32 users as well. Not only as a commandline tool, but as a plugin for the very popular wincmd32 too. Anything bzipped is about half the size of that thing zipped. At 13:49 19.2. 2001, Emiliano wrote the following: -- Cameron wrote: since sending this email i have been thinking a lot about it. bzip2 is fine for many sys admins but we have the problem of the redhat users (dont take this the wrong way please) that have used no other distributions and have only ever installed an rpm before, for these users bzip2 would get confusing. im more inclined to have multiple distribution's, a standard user one which would be base+mysql+mcrypt+zlib and not much more, an oracle one etc. the only problem is working out what modules people are mostly using. *grin* Ah, that should not be too hard. In fact, RedHat does ship PHP in this way I think. any other suggestions? So, about stripping those somments ... Seriously, we could offer the .tar.bz alongside the others. Those that do have bzip2 will benefit. Emile -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --end of quote-- Cynic: A member of a group of ancient Greek philosophers who taught that virtue constitutes happiness and that self control is the essential part of virtue. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
Cameron wrote: since sending this email i have been thinking a lot about it. bzip2 is fine for many sys admins but we have the problem of the redhat users (dont take this the wrong way please) that have used no other distributions and have only ever installed an rpm before, for these users bzip2 would get confusing. im more Then new RPM system uses bzip2 afaik, and it isn't that different from tar.gz of course. I really don't see the problem here. Derick Rethans - PHP: Scripting the Web - www.php.net - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - JDI Media Solutions - www.jdimedia.nl - [EMAIL PROTECTED] H.v. Tussenbroekstraat 1 - 6952 BL Dieren - The Netherlands - -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
any other suggestions? There has been talk on here, or maybe on the QA list about a web page where you tick the items you want, and just download the necessary components. Maybe this was just in the context of PEAR - I can't remember. Anyway, is anyone working on this? It seems to be a good solution to me (but then I don't understand how the config and .m4 stuff works!). Cheers -- Phil Driscoll Dial Solutions +44 (0)113 294 5112 http://www.dialsolutions.com http://www.dtonline.org -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Cynic wrote: I would welcome the win32 distributions packed with bzip2 as well. This algorithm is superior to anything else I know (well, at least in compression ratio), and is available to win32 users as well. Not only as a commandline tool, but as a plugin for the very popular wincmd32 too. Anything bzipped is about half the size of that thing zipped. It's only that the most users se WinZip, which does not support it. Derick Rethans - PHP: Scripting the Web - www.php.net - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
Phil Driscoll wrote: any other suggestions? There has been talk on here, or maybe on the QA list about a web page where you tick the items you want, and just download the necessary components. Maybe this was just in the context of PEAR - I can't remember. Anyway, is anyone working on this? It seems to be a good solution to me (but then I don't understand how the config and .m4 stuff works!). that is pretty simple, make the client who is compiling the source do a ./buildconf first. if noone is working on this i am willing to offer to help but for something like this i would prefer 2 or 3 coders doing it . . . -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
Cameron wrote: Phil Driscoll wrote: There has been talk on here, or maybe on the QA list about a web page where you tick the items you want, and just download the necessary components. that is pretty simple, make the client who is compiling the source do a ./buildconf first. if noone is working on this i am willing to offer to help but for something like this i would prefer 2 or 3 coders doing it . . . we had a related idea to not include extensions considered experimental like ext/zziplib that marked by an EXPERIMENTAL file in their ext dir -- Hartmut Holzgraefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.six.de +49-711-99091-77 Besuchen Sie uns auf der CeBIT 2001 - in Halle 6 Stand F62/4 -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: we had a related idea to not include extensions considered experimental like ext/zziplib that marked by an EXPERIMENTAL file in their ext dir I'm not a supporter of this, the Sablotron is marked EXPERIMENTAL, but it should definitely be in the distro. Maybe we should decide on PHP-DEV / PHP-QA what will be included in the distro? Derick Rethans - PHP: Scripting the Web - www.php.net - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - JDI Media Solutions - www.jdimedia.nl - [EMAIL PROTECTED] H.v. Tussenbroekstraat 1 - 6952 BL Dieren - The Netherlands - -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Derick Rethans wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Sascha Schumann wrote: what do people think about a PHP 4.0.5 release? Let me know your thoughts. Sounds like a good idea, but I would like to fix the bugs in the mcrypt extension before this release. What about making March 1, 2001 making the day for RC 1? I need some time too (one or two weeks) to finish mnoGoSearch extension to support all of features of mnoGoSearch - 3.1.10. It seems to me that March 1 is the resonable date for RC1 8) -- Regards. Sergey aka gluke. -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
At 15:05 19.2. 2001, Derick Rethans wrote the following: -- On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Cynic wrote: I would welcome the win32 distributions packed with bzip2 as well. This algorithm is superior to anything else I know (well, at least in compression ratio), and is available to win32 users as well. Not only as a commandline tool, but as a plugin for the very popular wincmd32 too. Anything bzipped is about half the size of that thing zipped. It's only that the most users se WinZip, which does not support it. Derick Rethans "If you want to save some bandwidth, here's the distro in a bzipped archive. bzip2 plugin for Windows Commander is available for free at www.ghisler.com." I believe that a bzip verion of the large win32 distro would be somewhere about 2.3MB. That's quite nice, compared to 3.6MB of the zip file. Cynic: A member of a group of ancient Greek philosophers who taught that virtue constitutes happiness and that self control is the essential part of virtue. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
Hum, having just contributed to said download size... we've done our best to minimize the KLOC, removing some cruft and moving a couple of functions into a (separate) library, but we'd be down to stripping comments to go further... the only other thing I could suggest is using bzip2 instead of gzip: At the moment I would personally advocate adding a EXPERIMENTAL file to midgard firstly because the midgard team themselves state that its still Beta and also if it is moved from main CVS at some point to PEAR etc then it would probably be best not to distribute it with PHP at any point. I also feel due to the amount of changes that have been made to midgard CVS in past few days/weeks it doesnt to me seem stable enough or tested enough (at least this beta version) to distribute with a release. Lets give it a bit of time in CVS before we distribute it with PHP Releases. James -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
Can we propose extensions outside of the main distribution ? I like the idea of downloading what you want. Through a form, you would chose the extensions you need, then submit and receive a custom GZIP or BZ2 file. It sounds doable. Any constraint, dependency to work out ? Yes, the m4 stuff... Can we open a thread on that specific topic of a PHP-downloader ? * Regarding midgard, although it is considered beta, I'm for including it into the main distrib for RC1, so that people can test it and eventually the midgard team can release a final version before 4.0.5 ships. hellekin -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
"Hellekin O. Wolf" wrote: Can we propose extensions outside of the main distribution ? I like the idea of downloading what you want. Through a form, you would chose the extensions you need, then submit and receive a custom GZIP or BZ2 file. It sounds doable. Any constraint, dependency to work out ? Yes, the m4 stuff... Can we open a thread on that specific topic of a PHP-downloader ? * Regarding midgard, although it is considered beta, I'm for including it into the main distrib for RC1, so that people can test it and eventually the midgard team can release a final version before 4.0.5 ships. Yes. We're gearing up for final beta (or RC, would be another term for it) end of this week. Emile -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
At 09:31 AM 2/19/2001 +0100, Sascha Schumann wrote: Hi, what do people think about a PHP 4.0.5 release? We have about 70 change entries in NEWS. Some of the changes are fundamentally needed for some extensions to work correctly or to compile at all. Let me know your thoughts. Our Launchpad (QA) guys have a few fixes to go into the CVS. I think it will be done by the end of the week. So I think March 1st sounds OK for branching off RC1. Andi -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
I want to fix chunked output buffering for 4.0.5 (it doesn't work right at all in 4.0.4). I think it'll take me about 10 days (I'll probably not have time to work on it this week). About bzip2 - my personal opinion is that we should probably not bother with it. It's slower and it's much less standard (there's a world beyond Linux, remember). We definitely can't give up our .tar.gz/.zip distros, because these are the standard ways of distributing apps on the net and people would expect them. Given that, I don't think that adding .bz2 is going to be much more helpful than cluttering the download page... That's just my opinion though. Zeev -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
I want to fix chunked output buffering for 4.0.5 (it doesn't work right at all in 4.0.4). I think it'll take me about 10 days (I'll probably not have time to work on it this week). glad to hear this, I think this is *definitely* worth waiting... :) andr -- Andr Langhorstt: +49 331 5811560 [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +49 173 9558736 * PHP Quality Assurance http://qa.php.net * -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
At 07:51 20/2/2001, Emiliano wrote: Zeev Suraski wrote: About bzip2 - my personal opinion is that we should probably not bother with it. It's slower and it's much less standard (there's a world beyond Linux, remember). I have it on the BSDs and Solaris too. But most people don't. It doesn't come in as a standard in most operating systems. Zeev -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?
I'm not sure what all has been suggested, so sorry if this has been already. Why not just make a simple form and avoid clutter completely? (ie all the links) Could allow them to choose source/binary, os, PHP version, compression format, etc. Chris Newbill Zeev Suraski wrote: About bzip2 - my personal opinion is that we should probably not bother with it. It's slower and it's much less standard (there's a world beyond Linux, remember). We definitely can't give up our .tar.gz/.zip distros, because these are the standard ways of distributing apps on the net and people would expect them. Given that, I don't think that adding .bz2 is going to be much more helpful than cluttering the download page... That's just my opinion though. -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
