Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-02-11 Thread Zoltán Németh
2008. 02. 1, péntek keltezéssel 04.40-kor Robert Cummings ezt írta: On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 10:11 +0100, Zoltán Németh wrote: 2008. 01. 31, csütörtök keltezéssel 12.47-kor Robert Cummings ezt írta: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:18 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31,

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6 (M$ forcing IE7)

2008-02-02 Thread Richard Heyes
Feb 12th is D-day. [Microsoft] has posted guidelines on how to ward off the automatic update Not exactly forcing if they've provided an alternative. -- Richard Heyes http://www.websupportsolutions.co.uk Knowledge Base and Helpdesk software for £299pa hosted for you - no installation, no

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-02-02 Thread Shawn McKenzie
- From: Jochem Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: PHP General List Subject: Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6 Richard Heyes schreef: firefox not an option? Nope. or anything else that resembles a proper browser

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-02-02 Thread Jochem Maas
Shawn McKenzie schreef: Glad I read threads that I don't care about or I wouldn't have found out about Firebug! I just installed it, very cool! it can definitely make your day less painful :-) Also, considering the price of oil/gas, I'm sorry that the 'war for oil' didn't work out the way

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-02-01 Thread Zoltán Németh
2008. 01. 31, csütörtök keltezéssel 12.47-kor Robert Cummings ezt írta: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:18 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 12:02 PM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Cummings schreef: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:14 +0100, Jochem Maas

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-02-01 Thread Robert Cummings
On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 10:11 +0100, Zoltán Németh wrote: 2008. 01. 31, csütörtök keltezéssel 12.47-kor Robert Cummings ezt írta: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:18 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 12:02 PM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Cummings

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-02-01 Thread Richard Heyes
Daevid Vincent wrote: I will be very sad in 15 days when M$ FORCES everyone to it. WT? -- Richard Heyes http://www.websupportsolutions.co.uk Knowledge Base and Helpdesk software for £299pa hosted for you - no installation, no maintenance, new features automatic and free -- PHP General

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-02-01 Thread Greg Donald
On Jan 31, 2008 7:04 AM, Eric Butera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IE8 passes Acid2. :) They make a salve for that I heard. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

RE: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6 (M$ forcing IE7)

2008-02-01 Thread Daevid Vincent
-Original Message- From: Richard Heyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 3:43 AM To: Daevid Vincent Cc: 'PHP General List' Subject: Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6 Daevid Vincent wrote: I will be very sad in 15 days when M$ FORCES everyone to it. WT

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6 (M$ forcing IE7)

2008-02-01 Thread mike
On 2/1/08, Daevid Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feb 12th is D-day. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclientie=UTF-8rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005- 28,GGLG:enq=microsoft+forcing+ie7 Actually... http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2008/01/microsofts-ie-7.html The short story is that you won't wake

[PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Richard Heyes
Anyone have any trouble with this combination? It consistently crashes for me. http://pear.php.net Thanks. -- Richard Heyes http://www.websupportsolutions.co.uk Knowledge Base and Helpdesk software for £299pa hosted for you - no installation, no maintenance, new features automatic and free

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Richard Heyes schreef: Anyone have any trouble with this combination? It consistently crashes for me. firefox not an option? or anything else that resembles a proper browser ;-) http://pear.php.net Thanks. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit:

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 31, 2008 7:33 AM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Heyes schreef: Anyone have any trouble with this combination? It consistently crashes for me. firefox not an option? or anything else that resembles a proper browser ;-) http://pear.php.net Thanks. -- PHP

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 7:33 AM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Heyes schreef: Anyone have any trouble with this combination? It consistently crashes for me. firefox not an option? or anything else that resembles a proper browser ;-) http://pear.php.net Thanks.

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 14:35 +, Richard Heyes wrote: firefox not an option? Nope. or anything else that resembles a proper browser ;-) Strange, IE has been working fine for me for the last eight years... I can see your point. If all you know is subpar then subpar works fine.

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Richard Heyes
firefox not an option? Nope. or anything else that resembles a proper browser ;-) Strange, IE has been working fine for me for the last eight years... -- Richard Heyes http://www.websupportsolutions.co.uk Knowledge Base and Helpdesk software for £299pa hosted for you - no installation, no

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 31, 2008 9:27 AM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 7:33 AM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Heyes schreef: Anyone have any trouble with this combination? It consistently crashes for me. firefox not an option? or anything else

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Richard Heyes schreef: firefox not an option? Nope. or anything else that resembles a proper browser ;-) Strange, IE has been working fine for me for the last eight years... that's the kind of thing people say just after they hear they have prostrate cancer ;-) seriously though - why

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 9:27 AM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 7:33 AM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Heyes schreef: Anyone have any trouble with this combination? It consistently crashes for me. firefox not an option?

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Richard Heyes
Robert Cummings wrote: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:14 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: let's not forget that nobody outside of IT actually uses Opera Please back up that st-ass-tistic please. Methinks you reached around and pulled it out of your lightless nether regions. I wouldn't say nobody, but

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:14 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: let's not forget that nobody outside of IT actually uses Opera Please back up that st-ass-tistic please. Methinks you reached around and pulled it out of your lightless nether regions. Cheers, Rob. --

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 31, 2008 11:14 AM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 9:27 AM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 7:33 AM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Heyes schreef: Anyone have any trouble with this

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 31, 2008 12:02 PM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Cummings schreef: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:14 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: let's not forget that nobody outside of IT actually uses Opera Please back up that st-ass-tistic please. Methinks you reached around and pulled

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 11:14 AM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 9:27 AM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 7:33 AM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Heyes schreef: Anyone have any

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Robert Cummings schreef: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:14 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: let's not forget that nobody outside of IT actually uses Opera Please back up that st-ass-tistic please. Methinks you reached around and pulled it out of your lightless nether regions. given that you can prove

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Richard Heyes
Jochem Maas wrote: Richard Heyes schreef: firefox not an option? Nope. or anything else that resembles a proper browser ;-) Strange, IE has been working fine for me for the last eight years... that's the kind of thing people say just after they hear they have prostrate cancer ;-)

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 12:02 PM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Cummings schreef: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:14 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: let's not forget that nobody outside of IT actually uses Opera Please back up that st-ass-tistic please. Methinks you reached

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Richard Heyes schreef: Jochem Maas wrote: Richard Heyes schreef: firefox not an option? Nope. or anything else that resembles a proper browser ;-) Strange, IE has been working fine for me for the last eight years... that's the kind of thing people say just after they hear they have

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 31, 2008 12:16 PM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you didn't state anything of the sort until just then. and you do realise that Acid2 is not actually a standard AND that there are plenty of differences of opinion regarding the minutae of 'proper implementation' of some of the

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Nathan Nobbe
i like opera for 4 reasons, 1. it renders fast 2. when i have 50 tabs open, its still responsive 3. it supports ctrl+z, wicked feature : 4. when you close and reopen, all the tabs from before are still there; key however, firefox is the champion for web development. not only is firebug awesome,

RE: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Mr Webber
: Thursday, January 31, 2008 6:42 AM To: PHP General List Subject: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6 Anyone have any trouble with this combination? It consistently crashes for me. http://pear.php.net Thanks. -- Richard Heyes http://www.websupportsolutions.co.uk Knowledge Base and Helpdesk software

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Nathan Nobbe schreef: i like opera for 4 reasons, 1. it renders fast 2. when i have 50 tabs open, its still responsive 3. it supports ctrl+z, wicked feature : undo? undo what? 4. when you close and reopen, all the tabs from before are still there; key however, firefox is the champion for

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:02 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: Robert Cummings schreef: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:14 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: let's not forget that nobody outside of IT actually uses Opera Please back up that st-ass-tistic please. Methinks you reached around and pulled it out

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 31, 2008 12:32 PM, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i like opera for 4 reasons, 1. it renders fast 2. when i have 50 tabs open, its still responsive 3. it supports ctrl+z, wicked feature : 4. when you close and reopen, all the tabs from before are still there; key however,

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:18 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: Eric Butera schreef: On Jan 31, 2008 12:02 PM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Cummings schreef: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:14 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: let's not forget that nobody outside of IT actually uses Opera Please

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:42 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: Nathan Nobbe schreef: i like opera for 4 reasons, 1. it renders fast 2. when i have 50 tabs open, its still responsive 3. it supports ctrl+z, wicked feature : undo? undo what? What you just typed into a form, or erased and decide

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
:42 AM To: PHP General List Subject: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6 Anyone have any trouble with this combination? It consistently crashes for me. http://pear.php.net Thanks. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 12:25 -0500, Eric Butera wrote: On Jan 31, 2008 12:16 PM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you didn't state anything of the sort until just then. and you do realise that Acid2 is not actually a standard AND that there are plenty of differences of opinion regarding

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 19:06 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: Robert Cummings schreef: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:02 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: ... Would you believe me if I said I wasn't in IT? ;) My wife isn't in IT, but she uses Opera regularly, she likes it's speed and the way it zooms.

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Jan 31, 2008 1:03 PM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Cummings schreef: What you just typed into a form, or erased and decide you actually want, etc. FF does that - at least it does for me, has done for as long as I can remember. it doesnt let you reclaim lost tabs. nor

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 19:03 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: Robert Cummings schreef: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:42 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: Nathan Nobbe schreef: i like opera for 4 reasons, 1. it renders fast 2. when i have 50 tabs open, its still responsive 3. it supports ctrl+z, wicked

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Robert Cummings schreef: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:42 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: Nathan Nobbe schreef: i like opera for 4 reasons, 1. it renders fast 2. when i have 50 tabs open, its still responsive 3. it supports ctrl+z, wicked feature : undo? undo what? What you just typed into a form, or

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Robert Cummings schreef: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:02 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: ... Would you believe me if I said I wasn't in IT? ;) My wife isn't in IT, but she uses Opera regularly, she likes it's speed and the way it zooms. My 4 year old son loves Opera, but he doesn't know anything else

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Richard Heyes
PHP is a server-side page generator. It has NOTHING to do with the browser. The PHP programmer determines the content of the resulting HTML and the browser reacts to THAT. Browsers never see a line of PHP script! What's your point? -- Richard Heyes http://www.websupportsolutions.co.uk

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Eric Butera
On Jan 31, 2008 1:50 PM, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PHP is a server-side page generator. It has NOTHING to do with the browser. The PHP programmer determines the content of the resulting HTML and the browser reacts to THAT. Browsers never see a line of PHP script! What's your

RE: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Daevid Vincent
-Original Message- From: Jochem Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: PHP General List Subject: Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6 Richard Heyes schreef: firefox not an option? Nope. or anything else

RE: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Richard Lynch
On Thu, January 31, 2008 4:30 pm, Daevid Vincent wrote: Please stop with the browser wars. They're boring and tired and serve no purpose. +1 IE6 is fast and launches in 1 second. FF takes many seconds. E. Isn't that because IE6 pre-loads everything during the BOOT process, slowing that

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Richard Lynch
On Thu, January 31, 2008 12:50 pm, Richard Heyes wrote: PHP is a server-side page generator. It has NOTHING to do with the browser. The PHP programmer determines the content of the resulting HTML and the browser reacts to THAT. Browsers never see a line of PHP script! What's your point?

RE: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Daevid Vincent
-Original Message- From: Richard Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] IE6 is fast and launches in 1 second. FF takes many seconds. Isn't that because IE6 pre-loads everything during the BOOT process, slowing that down quite a bit?... I guess. I leave my XP box on all the time, so

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread Jochem Maas
Daevid Vincent schreef: -Original Message- From: Jochem Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: PHP General List Subject: Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6 Richard Heyes schreef: firefox not an option? Nope. or anything

Re: [PHP] PEAR website and MSIE 6

2008-01-31 Thread mike
Go to windowsupdate. There was an update for IE6 for websites randomly crashing. I know, because I was affected. Some update broke IE6 and then you had to update a second time. Make sure you're all up to date (and restart, sigh) - and it should be good. On 1/31/08, Richard Heyes [EMAIL