Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-19 Thread Jochem Maas
Richard Lynch wrote: On Wed, August 17, 2005 2:05 am, Dotan Cohen wrote: On 8/15/05, Miles Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with PHP 5 is that the ISP's have to be so conservative. There's no tagging mechanism which says process these files with PHP5, use PHP 4 for everything

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-19 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 8/19/05, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually he posted (an update?) a full on explanation (again!) just 5 days ago (on the 14th August 2005) on how to do it in reply to this thread! I had to read your post twice to understand to which _he_ you are referring. Then I reread the

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-18 Thread Richard Lynch
On Wed, August 17, 2005 2:05 am, Dotan Cohen wrote: On 8/15/05, Miles Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with PHP 5 is that the ISP's have to be so conservative. There's no tagging mechanism which says process these files with PHP5, use PHP 4 for everything else. Does anyone

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-18 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 8/18/05, Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The .php3 extension was more of a pain in the ass than it saved... It was also possible to compile PHP3 and PHP4 in the same Apache - I do not think you can do that with 4/5. However, Rasmus posted a lovely explanation in this forum for

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-17 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 8/15/05, Miles Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with PHP 5 is that the ISP's have to be so conservative. There's no tagging mechanism which says process these files with PHP5, use PHP 4 for everything else. Does anyone here remember that on php 3 the file extensions were

RE: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-16 Thread George Pitcher
Not only that, but as time goes by, community support (this list for instance) for 4 will likely diminish as others move on to later releases. Not only will the die-hard PHP4 users find it harder to get answers to their questions, but their answers to others will become less relevant to

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-16 Thread Jochem Maas
l0t3k wrote: not only encoding support, but internationalized date/time/number formatting support (including spellout), collation, breakiteration and transliteration. in many respects we'll be on par with Java I18N support. To see what will be available, see

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-15 Thread John Nichel
Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: * Sebastian [EMAIL PROTECTED] : snip anyway, i think i will be with php4 for a long time to come. Please tell the list why -- what does PHP4 offer over PHP5 for you? I honestly want to know, and I'm sure there are others who would be interested to see why

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-15 Thread Jochem Maas
John Nichel wrote: Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: * Sebastian [EMAIL PROTECTED] : snip anyway, i think i will be with php4 for a long time to come. Please tell the list why -- what does PHP4 offer over PHP5 for you? I honestly want to know, and I'm sure there are others who would be

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-15 Thread John Nichel
Jochem Maas wrote: John Nichel wrote: snip I'm (we're) still using PHP4. Mainly because there's been no reason for us to upgrade. ie, we're not doing anything that requires PHP5 (and if there is no feature in PHP6 that we have to have, we won't be upgrading to that either). my gut

RE: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-15 Thread Jim Moseby
I'm (we're) still using PHP4. Mainly because there's been no reason for us to upgrade. ie, we're not doing anything that requires PHP5 (and if there is no feature in PHP6 that we have to have, we won't be upgrading to that either). I don't see the problem with this, unless it will

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-15 Thread l0t3k
not only encoding support, but internationalized date/time/number formatting support (including spellout), collation, breakiteration and transliteration. in many respects we'll be on par with Java I18N support. To see what will be available, see http://icu.sourceforge.net/userguide/ and look

RE: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-15 Thread Miles Thompson
At 11:59 AM 8/15/2005, Jim Moseby wrote: I'm (we're) still using PHP4. Mainly because there's been no reason for us to upgrade. ie, we're not doing anything that requires PHP5 (and if there is no feature in PHP6 that we have to have, we won't be upgrading to that either). I don't see

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-14 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Sebastian wrote: so i am 'afraid' of going with php5 in fear it will break my website. It's rather trivial to test it. Set up a second Apache server with php5 loaded that listens to port 81 or some other port and point it at the same document_root. Then you can switch back and forth by just

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-14 Thread Esteamedpw
In a message dated 8/14/2005 2:42:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's rather trivial to test it. Set up a second Apache server with php5 loaded that listens to port 81 or some other port and point it at the same document_root. Then you can switch back and forth

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-14 Thread Lester Caine
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: I don't really do Windows, but most of this will work on Windows as well (I think). You can find APC builds for Windows on http://snaps.php.net. But save yourself some headaches and grab a spare PC and install Linux (I prefer Debian, but it is a hassle to install for

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-14 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
* Sebastian [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: * Sebastian [EMAIL PROTECTED] : why php6 and not php5? look how long it took to get to php4 (with php5 just starting to rolling out) and people are already talking about php6? My observation was that more people jumped

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-14 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
* Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Sat, 2005-08-13 at 23:51, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: * Sebastian [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Jochem Maas wrote: if you haven't seen it yet and are interested in the future of php you might be interested in the _big_ thread on php-internals

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-14 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sun, 2005-08-14 at 13:52, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: * Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Please tell the list why -- what does PHP4 offer over PHP5 for you? I honestly want to know, and I'm sure there are others who would be interested to see why people are not making the

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-14 Thread Evert | Rooftop Solutions
Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: * Sebastian [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: * Sebastian [EMAIL PROTECTED] : why php6 and not php5? look how long it took to get to php4 (with php5 just starting to rolling out) and people are already talking about php6?

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-14 Thread Sebastian
Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: * Sebastian wrote: i spent hundreds of hours building my site on php4, im not about to rewrite any of it to make it 'compatible' with php5. Don't rewrite it to make it compatible with PHP5 -- rewrite it to take advantage of PHP5's better performance and

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-14 Thread Jochem Maas
Sebastian wrote: Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: ... explain better performance. if i have a script written on php4 and i run it on php5 i doubt its going to be any faster.. even so, i don't think there is much if at all any speed gain from php4 to php5... speculating of course, but i

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-14 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sun, 2005-08-14 at 16:32, Jochem Maas wrote: Sebastian wrote: Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: ... explain better performance. if i have a script written on php4 and i run it on php5 i doubt its going to be any faster.. even so, i don't think there is much if at all any

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-14 Thread Greg Donald
On 8/14/05, Sebastian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now if they say php5 is 20% faster than php4 than i would upgrade overnight ;) Who is 'they' ? Go write a benchmark and see for yourself. -- Greg Donald Zend Certified Engineer MySQL Core Certification http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-14 Thread Sebastian
Greg Donald wrote: On 8/14/05, Sebastian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now if they say php5 is 20% faster than php4 than i would upgrade overnight ;) Who is 'they' ? Go write a benchmark and see for yourself. obviously coming from the developers.. i guess im more or less wanting to

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-14 Thread Torgny Bjers
Sebastian wrote: Greg Donald wrote: On 8/14/05, Sebastian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now if they say php5 is 20% faster than php4 than i would upgrade overnight ;) Who is 'they' ? Go write a benchmark and see for yourself. obviously coming from the developers.. i guess im

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-13 Thread Torgny Bjers
Jochem Maas wrote: if you haven't seen it yet and are interested in the future of php you might be interested in the _big_ thread on php-internals that starts with the message: http://www.manucorp.com/archives/internals/200508/msg00398.php IMHO every halfbaked php coder should read it ;-)

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-13 Thread Jochem Maas
Torgny Bjers wrote: Jochem Maas wrote: if you haven't seen it yet and are interested in the future of php you might be interested in the _big_ thread on php-internals that starts with the message: http://www.manucorp.com/archives/internals/200508/msg00398.php IMHO every halfbaked php coder

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-13 Thread Jochem Maas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I will be out of the office until Monday 15th August. trust phil to be on holiday. Kind regards, Phil Ewington. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-13 Thread Sebastian
Jochem Maas wrote: if you haven't seen it yet and are interested in the future of php you might be interested in the _big_ thread on php-internals that starts with the message: http://www.manucorp.com/archives/internals/200508/msg00398.php IMHO every halfbaked php coder should read it ;-) to

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-13 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
* Sebastian [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Jochem Maas wrote: if you haven't seen it yet and are interested in the future of php you might be interested in the _big_ thread on php-internals that starts with the message: http://www.manucorp.com/archives/internals/200508/msg00398.php IMHO every

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-13 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sat, 2005-08-13 at 23:51, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: * Sebastian [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Jochem Maas wrote: if you haven't seen it yet and are interested in the future of php you might be interested in the _big_ thread on php-internals that starts with the message:

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-13 Thread Marco Tabini
On 8/13/05 5:31 PM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you haven't seen it yet and are interested in the future of php you might be interested in the _big_ thread on php-internals that starts with the message: http://www.manucorp.com/archives/internals/200508/msg00398.php Maybe even

Re: [PHP] 'God' has spoken... :-)

2005-08-13 Thread Sebastian
Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: * Sebastian [EMAIL PROTECTED] : why php6 and not php5? look how long it took to get to php4 (with php5 just starting to rolling out) and people are already talking about php6? My observation was that more people jumped to PHP4 from PHP3 than have so