Re: [PHP] Spammer! Re: [PHP] ANNOUNCING: Rekall V2.0.0 for Linux/UNIX....

2003-07-08 Thread Kris Yates
With all due respect to everyone, including the alleged spammer, this 
has been my rule since '84.

If you are in a discussion group, dont advertise something unless 
someone posts a question where a product would act as a specific 
solution to their specific need.  The advertiser would then be expected 
to mention how exactly the product advertised affects the output of the 
question, or solves the problem posed by said question.  Obviously, this 
thread should be either moved to another list or else just killed since 
spam has no direct links to PHP, nor did Rekall have any direct link to 
any question posed on the PHP general list.

Ultimately, it is the list moderators responsibility to establish a set 
of core rules for interaction inside this 'virtual world' we all use to 
help others learn PHP.  I do not know that this list has any core rules 
defined.  On my lists, where rules are not defined, I just delete 
spammers without warning or notice, and furthermore ban that email 
address from the list permenantly. But then again, I am just oldschool 
BOFH from the eighties.

I say let us allow this thread to die and/or let the owners/moderators 
handle it as they see fit.  What if the alleged spammer is friends with 
Rasmus Lerdorf?  Would that affect your opinion?  Not mine, but just 
something to ponder as we allow the dead [posts] to rest in peace.

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[PHP] Spammer! Re: [PHP] ANNOUNCING: Rekall V2.0.0 for Linux/UNIX....

2003-07-07 Thread Apollo (Carmel Entertainment)
STOP SPAMING the list. Is your product free of charge/ opensource? NO! If you
are charing for your product and your source is not open, you have no place on
opensource lists.
This is 3rd list you are spamming. Somebody block this free-rider from this list.
BTW, MSAccess can be had for less and you can run it via Wine on Linux with no
problems!



Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi
 
 Do you want to create, edit, or update your PHP databases remotely within a
 nice Graphic User Interface without having to use your Web Browser, well you
 can do that with Rekall and last week Rekall V2.0.0 was finally released for
 KDE3. QT3-only, Windows and Sharp Zaurus. We even have a run time only
 version so that you can distribute your Rekall applications. Yes, that's
 true, you create applications in much the same way can with MS Access, since
 Rekall is a programmable database client. For more information, tutorials,
 HOWTOs, examples, etc. please visit http://www.rygannon.com
 
 We are pleased to announce the 2.0 release of Rekall, a personal,
 programmable DBMS system for Linux and Windows.  Rekall is the only viable
 alternative to MS Access for Linux. With Rekall you will be able to quickly
 and easily build database applications using Rekall forms and reports. A
 full complement of widgets means that applications built in Rekall will be
 able to have the look and feel of any other application. Rekall applications
 can be extended in their functionality to perform virtually any task via
 embedded Python as a scripting language.
 
 Ever since the release of dBase many years ago, the idea of a programmable
 DBMS has become increasingly popular. Major systems have been written in
 applications like Paradox and MS Access. By focusing on the database, users
 are able to leverage their business knowledge into working applications. One
 of the limitations of the aforementioned products is that their native
 database didn't scale well or support multiple users very well. Rekall
 avoids this problem by dispensing with a native database.
 
 The biggest addition to Rekall 2.0.0 is reusable components. Rekall now
 comes with a selection of components that you can use in forms; these
 include standard buttons and navigation tools.
 
 In addition to these components, you can also construct your own for use as
 often as you want. You can store your components either in the database
 itself, or in a local area in the file system.
 
 To support reusable components, and to make it easier to script complicated
 forms, Rekall 2.0.0 introduces an Event/Slot mechanism (akin to Qt's
 Signal/Slot mechanism). This allows to place all script code which is
 
 logically associated with a particular control inside that control, and
 means you can copy or delete the control without worrying about copying or
 cleaning up script code inside other controls.
 
 Other new features in Rekall 2.0.0 include:
 
 * Static images can by displayed in forms
 * Data controls can appear in menu-blocks
 * Spin box control
 * Link controls can display multiple colums
 * Link controls can use Queries as well as tables
 * Event logger for debugging
 * Raw SQL window for direct SQL execution
 * Forms, Reports, etc. can run modally
 * Fast table filters for predefined table data display
 * Modal forms can be used as dialog boxes
 * Explanation of queries generated by Rekall
 * Menu and toolbar hiding
 * MySQL and PostgreSQL connections over SSH tunnels (Linux only)
 
 In addition, Rekall comes with a thorough demonstration database that
 illustrates the various features of the applications.  There are actually
 three copies of the database, one using MySQL, one PostgreSQL and one using
 XBase/XBSQL. Optional drivers are currently available for DB2 and ODBC with
 Oracle9i  coming later this summer (the Windows version is ready now).
 
 By purchasing Rekall you are getting the source for the application and free
 electronic updates to the core application. You get all supported platforms
 for one price regardless of when they are released. Rekall is priced at
 $79.95 for the physical package and $69.95 for the electronic package.
 
 Rekall can be purchased from www.thekompany.com/products/rekall. Rekall
 V2.0.0 demo version can be downloaded from http://www.rygannon.com by
 selecting downloads from the navigation menu or by clicking on the downloads
 button on the top navigration bar
 .
 
 
 Regards
 John
 
 
 
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Re: [PHP] Spammer! Re: [PHP] ANNOUNCING: Rekall V2.0.0 for Linux/UNIX....

2003-07-07 Thread Steve Keller
At 7/7/2003 03:07 PM, Apollo (Carmel Entertainment) wrote:

 If you are charing for your product and your source is not open, you 
have no place on
 opensource lists.

Just out of curiosity, where did you get the idea this is an open source 
mailing list? There are plenty of commercial PHP products that have been 
mentioned and recommended by list members, including Zend products.

I'm not condoning posting ads to the list the way John, but I think that 
declaring it an open source list will discourage people who have created 
PHP-based systems that aren't free or open-source from contributing.

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Re: [PHP] Spammer! Re: [PHP] ANNOUNCING: Rekall V2.0.0 for Linux/UNIX....

2003-07-07 Thread Apollo (Carmel Entertainment)
Well, lets see. I want free advertising too. How about I go to all the lists I
am member of and send emails like John from Rekall did announcing widgets or
services my company does. How will you react to that? We all have something to
sell or advertise. Opensource or non-opensource, if you are charging for
something you can not free-ride on free mailing lists, pay for adveritising. If
something like that is tolerated, maybe I should start marketing my stuff on all
the lists I am.


 At 7/7/2003 03:07 PM, Apollo (Carmel Entertainment) wrote:
 
   If you are charing for your product and your source is not open, you 
 have no place on
   opensource lists.
 
 Just out of curiosity, where did you get the idea this is an open source 
 mailing list? There are plenty of commercial PHP products that have been 
 mentioned and recommended by list members, including Zend products.
 
 I'm not condoning posting ads to the list the way John, but I think that 
 declaring it an open source list will discourage people who have created 
 PHP-based systems that aren't free or open-source from contributing.
 
 
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 UI Engineer


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Re: [PHP] Spammer! Re: [PHP] ANNOUNCING: Rekall V2.0.0 for Linux/UNIX....

2003-07-07 Thread Mark
If you had actually read the reply, you would have seen that Steve
was commenting on your declaring the list an open-source list, not
saying it was fine for John to send his email to this list (or any
other list).


--- Apollo (Carmel Entertainment) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, lets see. I want free advertising too. How about I go to all
 the lists I
 am member of and send emails like John from Rekall did announcing
 widgets or
 services my company does. How will you react to that? We all have
 something to
 sell or advertise. Opensource or non-opensource, if you are
 charging for
 something you can not free-ride on free mailing lists, pay for
 adveritising. If
 something like that is tolerated, maybe I should start marketing my
 stuff on all
 the lists I am.
 
 
  At 7/7/2003 03:07 PM, Apollo (Carmel Entertainment) wrote:
  
If you are charing for your product and your source is not
 open, you 
  have no place on
opensource lists.
  
  Just out of curiosity, where did you get the idea this is an
 open source 
  mailing list? There are plenty of commercial PHP products that
 have been 
  mentioned and recommended by list members, including Zend
 products.
  
  I'm not condoning posting ads to the list the way John, but I
 think that 
  declaring it an open source list will discourage people who
 have created 
  PHP-based systems that aren't free or open-source from
 contributing.
  
  
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  UI Engineer
 
 
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Re: [PHP] Spammer! Re: [PHP] ANNOUNCING: Rekall V2.0.0 for Linux/UNIX....

2003-07-07 Thread Ryan A
IntrestingI have created 4 products that sell and a few scripts for free
(which helped me learn php) plus I co-webmaster for 2 sites that sell
scripts, around 40 of them totallycan i advertise for each of them here
one by one or do i have to do it by website or all 44 at once??

I know the above question is really stupid as its totally unacceptable but
in my opinion I think a person should be able to come here and announce
his/her product/site if its beneficial to a lot of ppl...
eg:
the php classes site (excellient site)
a php resource site
a fantastic new editor, hopefully free (no offense ZEND  :-) )

announcing something like Rekall to me does not qualify...but thats my
opinion i am sure a lot of you will disagree with the way i see things..

just my two cents.

Cheers,
-Ryan


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Re: [PHP] Spammer! Re: [PHP] ANNOUNCING: Rekall V2.0.0 for Linux/UNIX....

2003-07-07 Thread Steve Keller
At 7/7/2003 04:09 PM, Apollo (Carmel Entertainment) wrote:

 Well, lets see. I want free advertising too. How about I go to all the 
lists I
 am member of and send emails like John from Rekall did announcing 
widgets or
 services my company does. How will you react to that?

Your level of reading comprehension is astounding. I'm hoping you were 
being deliberately obtuse when you ignored the part where I said I'm not 
condoning posting ads to the list. You must have. Nobody could be that 
stupid.

  I'm not condoning posting ads to the list the way John, but I think that
  declaring it an open source list will discourage people who have 
created
  PHP-based systems that aren't free or open-source from contributing.

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UI Engineer
The Health TV Channel, Inc.
(a non - profit organization)
3820 Lake Otis Pkwy.
Anchorage, AK 99508
907.770.6200 ext.220
907.336.6205 (fax)
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.healthtvchannel.org
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