Re: [PHP] Forms validation and creation- easier solution?
Hello, on 05/20/2009 11:09 AM Paul M Foster said the following: Both this class and Manuel Lemos' form generation class (from phpclasses.org) will create beautiful forms for you. However, you may find that the amount of [repetitive] typing you do will be equivalent or greater than simply creating the form by hand. The best solution would probably be a form you fill out which asks you about all the fields you want, and then generates the code to paint the form. There are commercial solutions which do this, and some (not that great) free solutions. I'm working on one myself, which will eventually be a sourceforge/freshmeat project. Thank you for mentioning my package, but I am not sure what you mean. The Forms Generation and Validation package seems to do exactly what you describe and more. IMHO, creating forms by hand is by no means simpler, especially if you want to include browser side (Javascript) validation. I mean, I am not masochist to create something that will give me more work in the end to develop PHP forms based applications than if I would type HTML manually. Furthermore, the plug-ins that come with the package dramatically reduce the amount of code you need to type to achieve the same generating common HTML inputs manually. Anyone can judge by yourself by going here and see several example forms and the actual code that it takes to generate them: http://www.meta-language.net/forms-examples.html For instance this scaffolding plug-in generates CRUD forms that you often need to manage data stored for instance in databases. http://www.meta-language.net/forms-examples.html?example=test_scaffolding_input For those interested to check it out, the actual class package can be downloaded from here: http://www.phpclasses.org/formsgeneration Here you may watch an extensive tutorial video that covers practically all features: http://www.phpclasses.org/browse/video/1/package/1.html -- Regards, Manuel Lemos Find and post PHP jobs http://www.phpclasses.org/jobs/ PHP Classes - Free ready to use OOP components written in PHP http://www.phpclasses.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Forms validation and creation- easier solution?
-Original Message- From: Manuel Lemos [mailto:mle...@acm.org] Sent: 22 May 2009 09:56 To: Paul M Foster Cc: php-general@lists.php.net; Angelo Zanetti Subject: Re: [PHP] Forms validation and creation- easier solution? Hello, on 05/20/2009 11:09 AM Paul M Foster said the following: Both this class and Manuel Lemos' form generation class (from phpclasses.org) will create beautiful forms for you. However, you may find that the amount of [repetitive] typing you do will be equivalent or greater than simply creating the form by hand. The best solution would probably be a form you fill out which asks you about all the fields you want, and then generates the code to paint the form. There are commercial solutions which do this, and some (not that great) free solutions. I'm working on one myself, which will eventually be a sourceforge/freshmeat project. Thank you for mentioning my package, but I am not sure what you mean. The Forms Generation and Validation package seems to do exactly what you describe and more. IMHO, creating forms by hand is by no means simpler, especially if you want to include browser side (Javascript) validation. I mean, I am not masochist to create something that will give me more work in the end to develop PHP forms based applications than if I would type HTML manually. Furthermore, the plug-ins that come with the package dramatically reduce the amount of code you need to type to achieve the same generating common HTML inputs manually. Anyone can judge by yourself by going here and see several example forms and the actual code that it takes to generate them: http://www.meta-language.net/forms-examples.html For instance this scaffolding plug-in generates CRUD forms that you often need to manage data stored for instance in databases. http://www.meta-language.net/forms-examples.html?example=test_scaffolding_in put For those interested to check it out, the actual class package can be downloaded from here: http://www.phpclasses.org/formsgeneration Here you may watch an extensive tutorial video that covers practically all features: http://www.phpclasses.org/browse/video/1/package/1.html Thanks manuel. I will check out the class. Much appreciated your response. Thanks Angelo Elemental http://www.elemental.co.za -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Forms validation and creation- easier solution?
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 04:56:01AM -0300, Manuel Lemos wrote:
Hello,
on 05/20/2009 11:09 AM Paul M Foster said the following:
Both this class and Manuel Lemos' form generation class (from
phpclasses.org) will create beautiful forms for you. However, you may
find that the amount of [repetitive] typing you do will be equivalent or
greater than simply creating the form by hand.
The best solution would probably be a form you fill out which asks you
about all the fields you want, and then generates the code to paint the
form. There are commercial solutions which do this, and some (not that
great) free solutions. I'm working on one myself, which will eventually
be a sourceforge/freshmeat project.
Thank you for mentioning my package, but I am not sure what you mean.
The Forms Generation and Validation package seems to do exactly what you
describe and more.
IMHO, creating forms by hand is by no means simpler, especially if you
want to include browser side (Javascript) validation.
I mean, I am not masochist to create something that will give me more
work in the end to develop PHP forms based applications than if I would
type HTML manually.
Furthermore, the plug-ins that come with the package dramatically reduce
the amount of code you need to type to achieve the same generating
common HTML inputs manually.
Anyone can judge by yourself by going here and see several example forms
and the actual code that it takes to generate them:
http://www.meta-language.net/forms-examples.html
For instance this scaffolding plug-in generates CRUD forms that you
often need to manage data stored for instance in databases.
http://www.meta-language.net/forms-examples.html?example=test_scaffolding_input
For those interested to check it out, the actual class package can be
downloaded from here:
http://www.phpclasses.org/formsgeneration
Here you may watch an extensive tutorial video that covers practically
all features:
http://www.phpclasses.org/browse/video/1/package/1.html
Here's what I was talking about. Assuming you simply type out your form
fields like this:
input type=text name=address size=30 value=123 Main St./
Now, if you do it with a class like yours:
$arr = array('type' = 'text',
'name' = 'address',
'size' = 30,
'value' = '123 Main St.');
$form-AddInput($arr);
(I haven't looked at your class in a while, so I may have invoked it
slightly incorrectly.)
If you compare the typing involved in the first case with the typing
involved in the second case, you can see that it's more in the second
case.
Yes, your forms generation class includes a tremendous amount of proven
code, including a bunch of Javascript validation, all of which the
programmer doesn't have to develop himself.
The only real complaint I have about your class is that the class file
itself (forms.php) is 158+ K bytes, which must be loaded every time you
surf to a page for the first time.
Paul
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Re: [PHP] Forms validation and creation- easier solution?
Viva,
on 05/22/2009 10:36 AM Paul M Foster said the following:
IMHO, creating forms by hand is by no means simpler, especially if you
want to include browser side (Javascript) validation.
I mean, I am not masochist to create something that will give me more
work in the end to develop PHP forms based applications than if I would
type HTML manually.
Furthermore, the plug-ins that come with the package dramatically reduce
the amount of code you need to type to achieve the same generating
common HTML inputs manually.
Anyone can judge by yourself by going here and see several example forms
and the actual code that it takes to generate them:
http://www.meta-language.net/forms-examples.html
For instance this scaffolding plug-in generates CRUD forms that you
often need to manage data stored for instance in databases.
http://www.meta-language.net/forms-examples.html?example=test_scaffolding_input
For those interested to check it out, the actual class package can be
downloaded from here:
http://www.phpclasses.org/formsgeneration
Here you may watch an extensive tutorial video that covers practically
all features:
http://www.phpclasses.org/browse/video/1/package/1.html
Here's what I was talking about. Assuming you simply type out your form
fields like this:
input type=text name=address size=30 value=123 Main St./
Now, if you do it with a class like yours:
$arr = array('type' = 'text',
'name' = 'address',
'size' = 30,
'value' = '123 Main St.');
$form-AddInput($arr);
(I haven't looked at your class in a while, so I may have invoked it
slightly incorrectly.)
If you compare the typing involved in the first case with the typing
involved in the second case, you can see that it's more in the second
case.
That is because you are just thinking about the typing of the generated
HTML. To generate and validate forms, you also have to consider the code
you write to validate and process the forms because the HTML forms do
not process by themselves.
You need to think about the security of your application, so you also
need to validate submitted values, discard invalid values, escape
outputted values, and so on. All that is done with a couple of calls to
the forms class.
Yes, your forms generation class includes a tremendous amount of proven
code, including a bunch of Javascript validation, all of which the
programmer doesn't have to develop himself.
The only real complaint I have about your class is that the class file
itself (forms.php) is 158+ K bytes, which must be loaded every time you
surf to a page for the first time.
That used to be an issue in the 20th century in the PHP 3 days. Since
PHP 4, the PHP code is no longer interpreted. The Zend engine compiles
the PHP code in Zend op codes in the first stage. In the second stage
the op codes are executed. If you use a cache extension like APC, Turck
MMCache, XCache, etc.. the first step is skipped after the first
execution and the size of the original code is not relevant because it
is already compiled in shared memory.
Anyway, the class has all that code because it is necessary to implement
all it supports.
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Re: [PHP] Forms validation and creation- easier solution?
On May 20, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Angelo Zanetti wrote: We have done quite a few projects and we are looking to find better ways to implementing forms. This is fairly simple to roll-your-own. I do it from metadata. I check MySQL metadata for data types, lengths, and defaults. In addition, my metadata tables contain: -- field captions -- field-use descriptions and business rules (generates CSS pop-up help) -- the type of control used -- the source of data for controls (I call system codes: like the lists of choices for comboboxes and radio buttons -- I keep almost all of these in a single table.) -- whether data in a field is required -- whether the data in a field are visible, editable, or new-record- only editable -- whether the data are encrypted (core data class handles the encryption/decryption) -- data entry order -- any non-standard user rights to the data. -- Simple business rules (like maximums, minimums and ranges of acceptable values) -- easy validation categories: birthdates, eMail formatting, USA phone numbers postal codes, US social security #'s, credit card format, and the like. The last two can generate JavaScript, too (still working on that). -- I also am working on more complex validation being automatic: across fields or tables, dependent on other variables, etc. By standardizing the format of metadata and the means of storing system code values, plus core CSS class names, you can use this across projects. Ken -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Forms validation and creation- easier solution?
Hi all. We have done quite a few projects and we are looking to find better ways to implementing forms. Forms seem to be quite time consuming and repetitive. Generally are there any classes or libraries that will assist with: 1. Easy creation of forms (fields and layout) 2. Validation of specific fields within the forms (server side not JS) 3. Decrease in time required to setup the forms pages any other comments are welcome. Thanks in advance Angelo Elemental http://www.elemental.co.za http://www.elemental.co.za/ Dynamic Web and Mobile Solutions
Re: [PHP] Forms validation and creation- easier solution?
Hi! Zend framework has a wonderful solution to solve this task. You can download even the demo showing how to do this task Best regards, Alex. 2009/5/20 Angelo Zanetti ang...@zlogic.co.za Hi all. We have done quite a few projects and we are looking to find better ways to implementing forms. Forms seem to be quite time consuming and repetitive. Generally are there any classes or libraries that will assist with: 1. Easy creation of forms (fields and layout) 2. Validation of specific fields within the forms (server side not JS) 3. Decrease in time required to setup the forms pages any other comments are welcome. Thanks in advance Angelo Elemental http://www.elemental.co.za http://www.elemental.co.za/ Dynamic Web and Mobile Solutions
RE: [PHP] Forms validation and creation- easier solution?
_ From: Olexandr Heneralov [mailto:ohenera...@gmail.com] Sent: 20 May 2009 09:08 To: Angelo Zanetti Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Forms validation and creation- easier solution? Hi! Zend framework has a wonderful solution to solve this task. You can download even the demo showing how to do this task Best regards, Alex. Thanks Alex. But would that mean that I need to implement the entire Framework or can I just use the class to incorporate into our new projects (bespoke applications - custom developed). Looking forward to your reply! Angelo 2009/5/20 Angelo Zanetti ang...@zlogic.co.za Hi all. We have done quite a few projects and we are looking to find better ways to implementing forms. Forms seem to be quite time consuming and repetitive. Generally are there any classes or libraries that will assist with: 1. Easy creation of forms (fields and layout) 2. Validation of specific fields within the forms (server side not JS) 3. Decrease in time required to setup the forms pages any other comments are welcome. Thanks in advance Angelo Elemental http://www.elemental.co.za http://www.elemental.co.za/ Dynamic Web and Mobile Solutions
Re: [PHP] Forms validation and creation- easier solution?
Hi! No, you should not use all the framework. You can use just a class - Zend_Form ( http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/zend.form.quickstart.html). 2009/5/20 Angelo Zanetti ang...@zlogic.co.za -- *From:* Olexandr Heneralov [mailto:ohenera...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 20 May 2009 09:08 *To:* Angelo Zanetti *Cc:* php-general@lists.php.net *Subject:* Re: [PHP] Forms validation and creation- easier solution? Hi! Zend framework has a wonderful solution to solve this task. You can download even the demo showing how to do this task Best regards, Alex. Thanks Alex. But would that mean that I need to implement the entire Framework or can I just use the class to incorporate into our new projects (bespoke applications – custom developed). Looking forward to your reply! Angelo 2009/5/20 Angelo Zanetti ang...@zlogic.co.za Hi all. We have done quite a few projects and we are looking to find better ways to implementing forms. Forms seem to be quite time consuming and repetitive. Generally are there any classes or libraries that will assist with: 1. Easy creation of forms (fields and layout) 2. Validation of specific fields within the forms (server side not JS) 3. Decrease in time required to setup the forms pages any other comments are welcome. Thanks in advance Angelo Elemental http://www.elemental.co.za http://www.elemental.co.za/ Dynamic Web and Mobile Solutions
RE: [PHP] Forms validation and creation- easier solution?
[snip] 1. Easy creation of forms (fields and layout) [/snip] I posted a form function several months ago that will help you with this. Just search the list archives -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Forms validation and creation- easier solution?
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:08:12AM +0300, Olexandr Heneralov wrote: 2009/5/20 Angelo Zanetti ang...@zlogic.co.za Hi all. We have done quite a few projects and we are looking to find better ways to implementing forms. Forms seem to be quite time consuming and repetitive. Generally are there any classes or libraries that will assist with: 1. Easy creation of forms (fields and layout) 2. Validation of specific fields within the forms (server side not JS) 3. Decrease in time required to setup the forms pages any other comments are welcome. Hi! Zend framework has a wonderful solution to solve this task. You can download even the demo showing how to do this task Best regards, Alex. Both this class and Manuel Lemos' form generation class (from phpclasses.org) will create beautiful forms for you. However, you may find that the amount of [repetitive] typing you do will be equivalent or greater than simply creating the form by hand. The best solution would probably be a form you fill out which asks you about all the fields you want, and then generates the code to paint the form. There are commercial solutions which do this, and some (not that great) free solutions. I'm working on one myself, which will eventually be a sourceforge/freshmeat project. Paul -- Paul M. Foster -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Forms validation and creation- easier solution?
-Original Message- From: Paul M Foster [mailto:pa...@quillandmouse.com] Sent: 20 May 2009 16:09 To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Forms validation and creation- easier solution? On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:08:12AM +0300, Olexandr Heneralov wrote: 2009/5/20 Angelo Zanetti ang...@zlogic.co.za Hi all. We have done quite a few projects and we are looking to find better ways to implementing forms. Forms seem to be quite time consuming and repetitive. Generally are there any classes or libraries that will assist with: 1. Easy creation of forms (fields and layout) 2. Validation of specific fields within the forms (server side not JS) 3. Decrease in time required to setup the forms pages any other comments are welcome. Hi! Zend framework has a wonderful solution to solve this task. You can download even the demo showing how to do this task Best regards, Alex. Both this class and Manuel Lemos' form generation class (from phpclasses.org) will create beautiful forms for you. However, you may find that the amount of [repetitive] typing you do will be equivalent or greater than simply creating the form by hand. The best solution would probably be a form you fill out which asks you about all the fields you want, and then generates the code to paint the form. There are commercial solutions which do this, and some (not that great) free solutions. I'm working on one myself, which will eventually be a sourceforge/freshmeat project. Hi Paul. This sounds Great. Thanks for the advise. Just as a matter of interest do you know the location / path to Jay's class? I tried searching the archives but couldn't find it/ Thanks Angelo -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Forms validation and creation- easier solution?
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 05:10:57PM +0200, Angelo Zanetti wrote: -Original Message- From: Paul M Foster [mailto:pa...@quillandmouse.com] Sent: 20 May 2009 16:09 To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Forms validation and creation- easier solution? On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:08:12AM +0300, Olexandr Heneralov wrote: 2009/5/20 Angelo Zanetti ang...@zlogic.co.za Hi all. We have done quite a few projects and we are looking to find better ways to implementing forms. Forms seem to be quite time consuming and repetitive. Generally are there any classes or libraries that will assist with: 1. Easy creation of forms (fields and layout) 2. Validation of specific fields within the forms (server side not JS) 3. Decrease in time required to setup the forms pages any other comments are welcome. Hi! Zend framework has a wonderful solution to solve this task. You can download even the demo showing how to do this task Best regards, Alex. Both this class and Manuel Lemos' form generation class (from phpclasses.org) will create beautiful forms for you. However, you may find that the amount of [repetitive] typing you do will be equivalent or greater than simply creating the form by hand. The best solution would probably be a form you fill out which asks you about all the fields you want, and then generates the code to paint the form. There are commercial solutions which do this, and some (not that great) free solutions. I'm working on one myself, which will eventually be a sourceforge/freshmeat project. Hi Paul. This sounds Great. Thanks for the advise. Just as a matter of interest do you know the location / path to Jay's class? I tried searching the archives but couldn't find it/ Thanks Angelo You can search the archives by author, but I found it here: http://marc.info/?l=php-generalm=123003593813003w=2 Paul -- Paul M. Foster -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
