Re: [PHP] If PHP4 existed in 1995 we would of taken over the worldby now

2001-09-04 Thread Michael Kimsal

I don't think we need spies - the ASP stuff is pretty out in the 
open as
to where they're going.  Visit www.ibuyspy.com to get some tutorials on how
to use ASP+ in a commerce environment.  There's some neat things, but most
of it seems overkill, and some of the neat things still seem to lock you 
into a
web page mentality (what if I want to output WML instead of HTML? - the
template system idea seems suited ONLY to HTML imo).

http://www.aspng.com/ is another site with a lot of info on the new ASP 
stuff.



Bob wrote:

Do we have spies on the ASP list?  What are they doing on their end?  Now don't get me
wrong, I've been coding with PHP and have read every tutorial and article I can get my
hands on in regards to PHP so I don't want to see my time invested go to waste.  Maybe
I should be asking on the developers list but I just want to hear some strategic
direction or preview for PHP5.




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Re: [PHP] If PHP4 existed in 1995 we would of taken over the worldby now

2001-09-03 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf

 What I am saying is that if php is always following or copying the technology
 that happened a couple years ago then what's the point?  php will then always be
 known as the low cost option and project managers won't even give it a second
 look.  What I am looking for is the cool factor.  I know technology needs time
 to improve but what's going to be cool in PHP5???  It's like a race that never
 finishes and who is winning?  ASP or PHP?

Uh?  The first version of PHP was released over a year before the first
version of ASP.  Heck, there were even M$ developers on the first PHP
mailing list that at one point sent out a survey asking the PHP community
what they wanted to see in an HTML-embedded scripting language.

But sure, PHP will always be the low cost option.  No real way around
that being an open source project, and frankly that is a big feature and
certainly not a liability.

-Rasmus


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Re: [PHP] If PHP4 existed in 1995 we would of taken over the worldby now

2001-09-03 Thread Christopher William Wesley

On Mon, 3 Sep 2001, Bob wrote:

 look.  What I am looking for is the cool factor.  I know technology needs time
 to improve but what's going to be cool in PHP5???  It's like a race that never
 finishes and who is winning?  ASP or PHP?

PHP5 will still run on your Free OS, your CLI OS, your Pay OS, your GUI
OS, etc.  ASP (of the VBSchidtz flavor) will only run on your Illegal
Monopoly OS.  It's so cool it burns!  Flexibility, portability, and
cost-effectiveness ... you won't get burned.

Ras ... ROCK ON!!

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Re: [PHP] If PHP4 existed in 1995 we would of taken over the worldby now

2001-09-03 Thread Bob

Do we have spies on the ASP list?  What are they doing on their end?  Now don't get me
wrong, I've been coding with PHP and have read every tutorial and article I can get my
hands on in regards to PHP so I don't want to see my time invested go to waste.  Maybe
I should be asking on the developers list but I just want to hear some strategic
direction or preview for PHP5.


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