Re: [PHP] Spammer! Re: [PHP] ANNOUNCING: Rekall V2.0.0 for Linux/UNIX....

2003-07-08 Thread Kris Yates
With all due respect to everyone, including the alleged spammer, this 
has been my rule since '84.

If you are in a discussion group, dont advertise something unless 
someone posts a question where a product would act as a specific 
solution to their specific need.  The advertiser would then be expected 
to mention how exactly the product advertised affects the output of the 
question, or solves the problem posed by said question.  Obviously, this 
thread should be either moved to another list or else just killed since 
spam has no direct links to PHP, nor did Rekall have any direct link to 
any question posed on the PHP general list.

Ultimately, it is the list moderators responsibility to establish a set 
of core rules for interaction inside this 'virtual world' we all use to 
help others learn PHP.  I do not know that this list has any core rules 
defined.  On my lists, where rules are not defined, I just delete 
spammers without warning or notice, and furthermore ban that email 
address from the list permenantly. But then again, I am just oldschool 
BOFH from the eighties.

I say let us allow this thread to die and/or let the owners/moderators 
handle it as they see fit.  What if the alleged spammer is friends with 
Rasmus Lerdorf?  Would that affect your opinion?  Not mine, but just 
something to ponder as we allow the dead [posts] to rest in peace.

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Re: [PHP] Spammer! Re: [PHP] ANNOUNCING: Rekall V2.0.0 for Linux/UNIX....

2003-07-07 Thread Steve Keller
At 7/7/2003 04:09 PM, Apollo (Carmel Entertainment) wrote:

> Well, lets see. I want free advertising too. How about I go to all the 
lists I
> am member of and send emails like John from Rekall did "announcing" 
widgets or
> services my company does. How will you react to that?

Your level of reading comprehension is astounding. I'm hoping you were 
being deliberately obtuse when you ignored the part where I said "I'm not 
condoning posting ads to the list." You must have. Nobody could be that 
stupid.

> > I'm not condoning posting ads to the list the way John, but I think that
> > declaring it an "open source" list will discourage people who have 
created
> > PHP-based systems that aren't free or open-source from contributing.

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Re: [PHP] Spammer! Re: [PHP] ANNOUNCING: Rekall V2.0.0 for Linux/UNIX....

2003-07-07 Thread Ryan A
IntrestingI have created 4 products that sell and a few scripts for free
(which helped me learn php) plus I co-webmaster for 2 sites that sell
scripts, around 40 of them totallycan i advertise for each of them here
one by one or do i have to do it by website or all 44 at once??

I know the above question is really stupid as its totally unacceptable but
in my opinion I think a person should be able to come here and announce
his/her product/site if its beneficial to a lot of ppl...
eg:
the php classes site (excellient site)
a php resource site
a fantastic new editor, hopefully free (no offense ZEND  :-) )

announcing something like "Rekall" to me does not qualify...but thats my
opinion i am sure a lot of you will disagree with the way i see things..

just my two cents.

Cheers,
-Ryan


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Re: [PHP] Spammer! Re: [PHP] ANNOUNCING: Rekall V2.0.0 for Linux/UNIX....

2003-07-07 Thread Mark
If you had actually read the reply, you would have seen that Steve
was commenting on your declaring the list an "open-source" list, not
saying it was fine for John to send his email to this list (or any
other list).


--- "Apollo (Carmel Entertainment)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, lets see. I want free advertising too. How about I go to all
> the lists I
> am member of and send emails like John from Rekall did "announcing"
> widgets or
> services my company does. How will you react to that? We all have
> something to
> sell or advertise. Opensource or non-opensource, if you are
> charging for
> something you can not free-ride on free mailing lists, pay for
> adveritising. If
> something like that is tolerated, maybe I should start marketing my
> stuff on all
> the lists I am.
> 
> 
> > At 7/7/2003 03:07 PM, Apollo (Carmel Entertainment) wrote:
> > 
> >  > If you are charing for your product and your source is not
> open, you 
> > have no place on
> >  > opensource lists.
> > 
> > Just out of curiosity, where did you get the idea this is an
> "open source" 
> > mailing list? There are plenty of commercial PHP products that
> have been 
> > mentioned and recommended by list members, including Zend
> products.
> > 
> > I'm not condoning posting ads to the list the way John, but I
> think that 
> > declaring it an "open source" list will discourage people who
> have created 
> > PHP-based systems that aren't free or open-source from
> contributing.
> > 
> > 
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> > UI Engineer
> 
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Re: [PHP] Spammer! Re: [PHP] ANNOUNCING: Rekall V2.0.0 for Linux/UNIX....

2003-07-07 Thread Apollo (Carmel Entertainment)
Well, lets see. I want free advertising too. How about I go to all the lists I
am member of and send emails like John from Rekall did "announcing" widgets or
services my company does. How will you react to that? We all have something to
sell or advertise. Opensource or non-opensource, if you are charging for
something you can not free-ride on free mailing lists, pay for adveritising. If
something like that is tolerated, maybe I should start marketing my stuff on all
the lists I am.


> At 7/7/2003 03:07 PM, Apollo (Carmel Entertainment) wrote:
> 
>  > If you are charing for your product and your source is not open, you 
> have no place on
>  > opensource lists.
> 
> Just out of curiosity, where did you get the idea this is an "open source" 
> mailing list? There are plenty of commercial PHP products that have been 
> mentioned and recommended by list members, including Zend products.
> 
> I'm not condoning posting ads to the list the way John, but I think that 
> declaring it an "open source" list will discourage people who have created 
> PHP-based systems that aren't free or open-source from contributing.
> 
> 
> --
> S. Keller
> UI Engineer


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Re: [PHP] Spammer! Re: [PHP] ANNOUNCING: Rekall V2.0.0 for Linux/UNIX....

2003-07-07 Thread Steve Keller
At 7/7/2003 03:07 PM, Apollo (Carmel Entertainment) wrote:

> If you are charing for your product and your source is not open, you 
have no place on
> opensource lists.

Just out of curiosity, where did you get the idea this is an "open source" 
mailing list? There are plenty of commercial PHP products that have been 
mentioned and recommended by list members, including Zend products.

I'm not condoning posting ads to the list the way John, but I think that 
declaring it an "open source" list will discourage people who have created 
PHP-based systems that aren't free or open-source from contributing.

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UI Engineer
The Health TV Channel, Inc.
(a non - profit organization)
3820 Lake Otis Pkwy.
Anchorage, AK 99508
907.770.6200 ext.220
907.336.6205 (fax)
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.healthtvchannel.org
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[PHP] Spammer! Re: [PHP] ANNOUNCING: Rekall V2.0.0 for Linux/UNIX....

2003-07-07 Thread Apollo (Carmel Entertainment)
STOP SPAMING the list. Is your product free of charge/ opensource? NO! If you
are charing for your product and your source is not open, you have no place on
opensource lists.
This is 3rd list you are spamming. Somebody block this free-rider from this list.
BTW, MSAccess can be had for less and you can run it via Wine on Linux with no
problems!



Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> Hi
> 
> Do you want to create, edit, or update your PHP databases remotely within a
> nice Graphic User Interface without having to use your Web Browser, well you
> can do that with Rekall and last week Rekall V2.0.0 was finally released for
> KDE3. QT3-only, Windows and Sharp Zaurus. We even have a run time only
> version so that you can distribute your Rekall applications. Yes, that's
> true, you create applications in much the same way can with MS Access, since
> Rekall is a programmable database client. For more information, tutorials,
> HOWTOs, examples, etc. please visit http://www.rygannon.com
> 
> We are pleased to announce the 2.0 release of Rekall, a personal,
> programmable DBMS system for Linux and Windows.  Rekall is the only viable
> alternative to MS Access for Linux. With Rekall you will be able to quickly
> and easily build database applications using Rekall forms and reports. A
> full complement of widgets means that applications built in Rekall will be
> able to have the look and feel of any other application. Rekall applications
> can be extended in their functionality to perform virtually any task via
> embedded Python as a scripting language.
> 
> Ever since the release of dBase many years ago, the idea of a programmable
> DBMS has become increasingly popular. Major systems have been written in
> applications like Paradox and MS Access. By focusing on the database, users
> are able to leverage their business knowledge into working applications. One
> of the limitations of the aforementioned products is that their native
> database didn't scale well or support multiple users very well. Rekall
> avoids this problem by dispensing with a native database.
> 
> The biggest addition to Rekall 2.0.0 is reusable components. Rekall now
> comes with a selection of components that you can use in forms; these
> include standard buttons and navigation tools.
> 
> In addition to these components, you can also construct your own for use as
> often as you want. You can store your components either in the database
> itself, or in a local area in the file system.
> 
> To support reusable components, and to make it easier to script complicated
> forms, Rekall 2.0.0 introduces an Event/Slot mechanism (akin to Qt's
> Signal/Slot mechanism). This allows to place all script code which is
> 
> logically associated with a particular control inside that control, and
> means you can copy or delete the control without worrying about copying or
> cleaning up script code inside other controls.
> 
> Other new features in Rekall 2.0.0 include:
> 
> * Static images can by displayed in forms
> * Data controls can appear in menu-blocks
> * Spin box control
> * Link controls can display multiple colums
> * Link controls can use Queries as well as tables
> * Event logger for debugging
> * Raw SQL window for direct SQL execution
> * Forms, Reports, etc. can run modally
> * Fast table filters for predefined table data display
> * Modal forms can be used as dialog boxes
> * Explanation of queries generated by Rekall
> * Menu and toolbar hiding
> * MySQL and PostgreSQL connections over SSH tunnels (Linux only)
> 
> In addition, Rekall comes with a thorough demonstration database that
> illustrates the various features of the applications.  There are actually
> three copies of the database, one using MySQL, one PostgreSQL and one using
> XBase/XBSQL. Optional drivers are currently available for DB2 and ODBC with
> Oracle9i  coming later this summer (the Windows version is ready now).
> 
> By purchasing Rekall you are getting the source for the application and free
> electronic updates to the core application. You get all supported platforms
> for one price regardless of when they are released. Rekall is priced at
> $79.95 for the physical package and $69.95 for the electronic package.
> 
> Rekall can be purchased from www.thekompany.com/products/rekall. Rekall
> V2.0.0 demo version can be downloaded from http://www.rygannon.com by
> selecting downloads from the navigation menu or by clicking on the downloads
> button on the top navigration bar
> .
> 
> 
> Regards
> John
> 
> 
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