RE: [PHP] Web Development work
From: Ernie Kemp It seems to me that there must to other places a freelance Web Developer fines work. How do you find work in PHP Web programming? Work a company, through this site and from God. I wish to know more than handing out a business card. 1. Create a personal/business page on a local server. That page serves as an advertisement and a sample of what you can do. Include a data entry form for prospects to request your services and make sure it's not susceptible to HTML or SQL injection. 2. Check with any local ISP or web server providers. See if they have a referral service or help wanted section for customers that want help updating or creating pages. While you're talking to them, find out what services they offer and what tools are available on their servers. Make sure you know how to use them. 3. Talk to the folks at Kinko's, Staples, etc. to see if they get requests for help with web pages. Possibly they can pass out your cards for you. In my case there were two events that directed me into web development. First, about 15 years ago I helped two friends set up a web site with a specific purpose. It was all Perl, CGI and flat files at the time, but it was useful experience. The effort died after three years because we couldn't figure out how to make it pay for itself. Second, after 20 years of designing embedded communications devices and programming credit card terminals, my employer decreed all of those devices to be legacy. But they had started moving some of those same services over to the web. So I became a web developer. I am now doing OJT for XHTML, CSS, Postgres, PHP, PCI DSS, Apache and RedHat Linux; all at the same time. I have done three releases of a product that was already online, but still have a long way to go. I figure another two years to complete my apprenticeship. Bob McConnell -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Web Development work
Ooops, I forgot one. 0. Invest some time studying the top 25 errors list from either SANS http://www.sans.org/top25errors/ or CWE http://cwe.mitre.org/top25/. Make sure you don't have _any_ of them in your code. (This list includes and extends the OWASP guidelines http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Main_Page.) Bob McConnell -Original Message- From: Bob McConnell Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:58 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Web Development work From: Ernie Kemp It seems to me that there must to other places a freelance Web Developer fines work. How do you find work in PHP Web programming? Work a company, through this site and from God. I wish to know more than handing out a business card. 1. Create a personal/business page on a local server. That page serves as an advertisement and a sample of what you can do. Include a data entry form for prospects to request your services and make sure it's not susceptible to HTML or SQL injection. 2. Check with any local ISP or web server providers. See if they have a referral service or help wanted section for customers that want help updating or creating pages. While you're talking to them, find out what services they offer and what tools are available on their servers. Make sure you know how to use them. 3. Talk to the folks at Kinko's, Staples, etc. to see if they get requests for help with web pages. Possibly they can pass out your cards for you. In my case there were two events that directed me into web development. First, about 15 years ago I helped two friends set up a web site with a specific purpose. It was all Perl, CGI and flat files at the time, but it was useful experience. The effort died after three years because we couldn't figure out how to make it pay for itself. Second, after 20 years of designing embedded communications devices and programming credit card terminals, my employer decreed all of those devices to be legacy. But they had started moving some of those same services over to the web. So I became a web developer. I am now doing OJT for XHTML, CSS, Postgres, PHP, PCI DSS, Apache and RedHat Linux; all at the same time. I have done three releases of a product that was already online, but still have a long way to go. I figure another two years to complete my apprenticeship. Bob McConnell -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Web Development work
Thanks for everyone's input! I will take your words to heart. /Ernie -Original Message- From: Bob McConnell [mailto:r...@cbord.com] Sent: February-26-09 9:15 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Web Development work Ooops, I forgot one. 0. Invest some time studying the top 25 errors list from either SANS http://www.sans.org/top25errors/ or CWE http://cwe.mitre.org/top25/. Make sure you don't have _any_ of them in your code. (This list includes and extends the OWASP guidelines http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Main_Page.) Bob McConnell -Original Message- From: Bob McConnell Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:58 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Web Development work From: Ernie Kemp It seems to me that there must to other places a freelance Web Developer fines work. How do you find work in PHP Web programming? Work a company, through this site and from God. I wish to know more than handing out a business card. 1. Create a personal/business page on a local server. That page serves as an advertisement and a sample of what you can do. Include a data entry form for prospects to request your services and make sure it's not susceptible to HTML or SQL injection. 2. Check with any local ISP or web server providers. See if they have a referral service or help wanted section for customers that want help updating or creating pages. While you're talking to them, find out what services they offer and what tools are available on their servers. Make sure you know how to use them. 3. Talk to the folks at Kinko's, Staples, etc. to see if they get requests for help with web pages. Possibly they can pass out your cards for you. In my case there were two events that directed me into web development. First, about 15 years ago I helped two friends set up a web site with a specific purpose. It was all Perl, CGI and flat files at the time, but it was useful experience. The effort died after three years because we couldn't figure out how to make it pay for itself. Second, after 20 years of designing embedded communications devices and programming credit card terminals, my employer decreed all of those devices to be legacy. But they had started moving some of those same services over to the web. So I became a web developer. I am now doing OJT for XHTML, CSS, Postgres, PHP, PCI DSS, Apache and RedHat Linux; all at the same time. I have done three releases of a product that was already online, but still have a long way to go. I figure another two years to complete my apprenticeship. Bob McConnell -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1971 - Release Date: 02/26/09 07:03:00 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Web Development work
I really need your insight. I'm a software developer who is wishing to do Web Development. I love to program and I'm learning more about Web Design but my main skills are in programming. How do you get work as a Web Developer? One could apply for a web developer job at a Web company but I wish to be on my own. How are the freelancer finding work and where? I have had my head buried in code too long to know where to find my new cheese. Any help would be appreciation. Thanks, Ernie Kemp ...man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but usually manages to pick himself up, walk over or around it, and carry on. Winston S. Churchill
Re: [PHP] Web Development work
I guess you are interested about php. the freelancers work at www.scriptlance.com www.elance.com www.odesk.com www.joomlalancer.com www.getacoder.com www.getafreelancer.com and many more. I am a Web Developer at https://www.scriptlance.com/cgi-bin/freelancers/feedback.cgi?p=lenin9el with this id To be a web developer you dont need to be design oriented. You can stick to programming skills as well. Regards Lenin --- Use FreeOpenSourceSoftwares, Stop piracy, Let the developers live. Get a Free CD of Ubuntu mailed to your door without any cost. Visit : www.ubuntu.com -- On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Ernie Kemp ernie.k...@sympatico.cawrote: I really need your insight. I’m a software developer who is wishing to do Web Development. I love to program and I’m learning more about Web Design but my main skills are in programming. How do you get work as a Web Developer? One could apply for a web developer job at a Web company but I wish to be on my own. How are the freelancer finding work and where? I have had my head buried in code too long to know where to find my new cheese. Any help would be appreciation. Thanks, Ernie Kemp ...man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but usually manages to pick himself up, walk over or around it, and carry on. Winston S. Churchill* *
RE: [PHP] Web Development work
Thanks for the info. It seems to me that there must to other places a freelance Web Developer fines work. How do you find work in PHP Web programming? Work a company, through this site and from God. I wish to know more than handing out a business card. Thanks in advance. ./Ernie -Original Message- From: doctortomor...@gmail.com [mailto:doctortomor...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 9el Sent: February-25-09 12:23 PM To: Ernie Kemp Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Web Development work I guess you are interested about php. the freelancers work at www.scriptlance.com www.elance.com www.odesk.com www.joomlalancer.com www.getacoder.com www.getafreelancer.com and many more. I am a Web Developer at https://www.scriptlance.com/cgi-bin/freelancers/feedback.cgi?p=lenin9el with this id To be a web developer you dont need to be design oriented. You can stick to programming skills as well. Regards Lenin --- Use FreeOpenSourceSoftwares, Stop piracy, Let the developers live. Get a Free CD of Ubuntu mailed to your door without any cost. Visit : www.ubuntu.com -- On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Ernie Kemp ernie.k...@sympatico.cawrote: I really need your insight. I'm a software developer who is wishing to do Web Development. I love to program and I'm learning more about Web Design but my main skills are in programming. How do you get work as a Web Developer? One could apply for a web developer job at a Web company but I wish to be on my own. How are the freelancer finding work and where? I have had my head buried in code too long to know where to find my new cheese. Any help would be appreciation. Thanks, Ernie Kemp ...man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but usually manages to pick himself up, walk over or around it, and carry on. Winston S. Churchill* * No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1971 - Release Date: 02/25/09 06:40:00 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Web Development work
Hello -- - Ernie -- -- - Consulting work is a business. Work doesn't fall from the sky. You have to figure out what you do. Not good enough to say I'm a programmer -- that and a dollar will get you half-a-cup of coffee at McDonalds. Figure out where your strengths are. Figure out where you have or can cultivate contacts. Spread the word. If you don't have a demonstrable portfolio of projects from your employer or clients that you can show or discuss with others, you had better develop one. Do you have an industry that you know more about than the average developer? Do you have graphics skills, too? Do you understand how a business works? Every unemployed programmer calls himself a Web Developer. Every unemployed graphic designer calls himself a Web Designer. People who have been doing one or both for *years* call themselves the same thing. Most potential customers have no clue who is good or bad. Can you do the design work, or just the programming work. This isn't a place to get work; (based on the nature of your questions) there are 100s of folks here with more experience and savvy than you, and I bet every one of the independents have room for more clients. I have been in this business for 20 years. If you are flailing around asking naive questions like this, you probably are better off with a job. Maybe 10 years ago, someone with mid-level skills and no business acumen could be a successful web developer just because the industry was growing so fast and there were so few people with real skills. Now the situation is the opposite: there are lots and lots of people with skills. There are still jobs around, but you have to work harder to get them. If you want to be in business, you need to think like a business person (who just happens to have a technical set of skills). Good luck, Ken -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Web Development work
Very wise words or wisdom Ken. And Ernie, I just gave you most of the renowned places where freelancers or even large companies bid for works. There are programmers like you and as Ken said, even thousand times better programmers than you who are going along the way. Its a wonder how you do not know those names. You just gotta be friends with the google. A software engineer doesnt mean that he is god. And web developer doesnt mean unemployed. I and my team is member with lot other freelancing sites and have local and overseas permanent clients for whom we working remotely. Starting from making a blog to making crawler or video upload/download site. Or, real-estate sales, rental with Map API integrated search results. Or, say Facebook applications or iPhone apps! We just need to learn fast the best of the technologies with the best of the methods and yet we have to be business oriented. Thanks Lenin www.twitter.com/nine_L --- Use FreeOpenSourceSoftwares, Stop piracy, Let the developers live. Get a Free CD of Ubuntu mailed to your door without any cost. Visit : www.ubuntu.com -- 2009/2/26 phphelp -- kbk phph...@comcast.net Hello -- - Ernie -- -- - Consulting work is a business. Work doesn't fall from the sky. You have to figure out what you do. Not good enough to say I'm a programmer -- that and a dollar will get you half-a-cup of coffee at McDonalds. Figure out where your strengths are. Figure out where you have or can cultivate contacts. Spread the word. If you don't have a demonstrable portfolio of projects from your employer or clients that you can show or discuss with others, you had better develop one. Do you have an industry that you know more about than the average developer? Do you have graphics skills, too? Do you understand how a business works? Every unemployed programmer calls himself a Web Developer. Every unemployed graphic designer calls himself a Web Designer. People who have been doing one or both for *years* call themselves the same thing. Most potential customers have no clue who is good or bad. Can you do the design work, or just the programming work. This isn't a place to get work; (based on the nature of your questions) there are 100s of folks here with more experience and savvy than you, and I bet every one of the independents have room for more clients. I have been in this business for 20 years. If you are flailing around asking naive questions like this, you probably are better off with a job. Maybe 10 years ago, someone with mid-level skills and no business acumen could be a successful web developer just because the industry was growing so fast and there were so few people with real skills. Now the situation is the opposite: there are lots and lots of people with skills. There are still jobs around, but you have to work harder to get them. If you want to be in business, you need to think like a business person (who just happens to have a technical set of skills). Good luck, Ken -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
