Re: [PHP] chill out
Well, you could do what the sunmanagers mailing list does...every so often (every month? every other month?) a 95KB FAQ is sent to all subscribers. However, the main problem is getting people to READ it. And those people likely to read it are probably the same people who'd do the requisite documentation/web search first anyway. I suppose you could set it up so that only new subscribers got the FAQ. Or if you want to be really ambitious/annoying, new subscribers would get the FAQ, then - to activate them on the mailing list - they'd have to take a short web-based quiz on the contents of the FAQ before they are allowed to post. However, as others have said, the signal-to-noise ratio of this list is pretty high, easiest thing is just to tolerate/ignore the inappropriate questions... -steve At 2:21 PM +0500 4/4/03, Haseeb Iqbal wrote: hi all, just like to add something here, (which i recmended before) there should be a automated way to email all the new users about what php is, that explain them that php is server side and it can't do client side, just a plain email will do this will certinaly minimize the no of off topic posts,what you people think? i think it will help Friendship is always a sweet responsibility, never an opportunity. HaSeEb IqBaL. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- ++ | Steve Edberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | University of California, Davis (530)754-9127 | | Programming/Database/SysAdmin http://pgfsun.ucdavis.edu/ | ++ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1001 Work units on 23 oct 2002 | | 3.152 years CPU time, 3.142 years SETI user... and STILL no aliens... | ++ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] chill out
You aren't required to be subscribed to post to the list, so if you are not subscribed you will not see the FAQ or the discussion about how to post properly. You could make it be sent in the confirmation email when someone first posts to the email address but then you are making the mail bigger and deluding yourself into thinking they will read it :) Mostly I see people get flamed when they ask a question (sometimes off topic) and them flame and otherwise insult the person that tried to help them, in which case I believe they deserve a thrashing :-). I found this list to be an excellent resource when I first started in PHP and I still find it to be a good resource (though the mail traffic has increased significantly). I empathize with people who are frustrated with users posting questions to the list such as how do I use n function, that could easily be answered by reading the manual, I emailed a person who sent multiple mails to the list with extremely simple questions and his response was I know about the manual but it is easier and faster just to ask you guys Something to think about. Jason Steve Edberg wrote: Well, you could do what the sunmanagers mailing list does...every so often (every month? every other month?) a 95KB FAQ is sent to all subscribers. However, the main problem is getting people to READ it. And those people likely to read it are probably the same people who'd do the requisite documentation/web search first anyway. I suppose you could set it up so that only new subscribers got the FAQ. Or if you want to be really ambitious/annoying, new subscribers would get the FAQ, then - to activate them on the mailing list - they'd have to take a short web-based quiz on the contents of the FAQ before they are allowed to post. However, as others have said, the signal-to-noise ratio of this list is pretty high, easiest thing is just to tolerate/ignore the inappropriate questions... -steve At 2:21 PM +0500 4/4/03, Haseeb Iqbal wrote: hi all, just like to add something here, (which i recmended before) there should be a automated way to email all the new users about what php is, that explain them that php is server side and it can't do client side, just a plain email will do this will certinaly minimize the no of off topic posts,what you people think? i think it will help Friendship is always a sweet responsibility, never an opportunity. HaSeEb IqBaL. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] chill out
On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:14:39 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about [PHP] chill out what the universal translator turned into this: We subscribe to a few email lists on various languages. This list would have to be the worst for anyone learning - the amount of sarcasm and flaming that goes on is huge. I totally don't see what you mean. I've learned more from this list in the past 6 months than any other mail group I've ever been sub'ed to in the past 5 years, nomatter what the topic have been. I haven't seen any flaming at all, but agree that sometimes the sarcasm step a bit out. When people ask questions they could've very easily answered themselves by looking into the manual, then you can sure expect the responses to be a bit on the annoyed side ... especially when 10 people ask the same question in different threads, instead of checking the threads for the past 2-3 days ... I've also seen that happen alot more often here, than anywhere else... There's only a few lists left I'm still subscribed to. All the ones I've dropped have been too filled with people answering questions on things they don't really know well enough to answer. This list is positively different ... there are more willing and insightful answers here than there's actual questions ... and sometimes when the answers do get a bit spightful, it's usually because the asker didn't word his/her question in a manner where it's easy to understand what's being asked... Just try and remember - everyone has to learn, if you feel a question is off topic or stupid - ignore it, theres no need to make the poster feel like an idiot. If the topic is off-topic, the poster must be made aware of it ... just ignoring them often leads to frustration and reposting ... It's better to point them to where they can obtain the answer, than just pretend they don't exist ... that also helps keep the noise to a minimum. Rene -- Rene Brehmer This message was written on 100% recycled spam. Come see! My brand new site is now online! http://www.metalbunny.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] chill out
On Thu, 03 Apr 2003 02:20:01 -0500, Tim Thorburn wrote about Re: [PHP] chill out what the universal translator turned into this: In general, I've had great luck with this list - it just seems the majority of puter ppl don't have super ppl skills ;) That is more like an oximoron (sp?) ... comp ppl are generally secluded characters sitting alone in front of the computer, coding away for hours after hours straight, fueled only by coke/coffee/pizza, and not really commincating much with real people ... only the few that pop up in either electronic form on whatever medium one's hooked into ... You don't learn much in the area of ppl skills that way ... I know ... I started coding when I was 8 ... that's 19 years ago ... Until a few years ago I literally knew noone in the real world... But whatever your disposition is ... the best way to fit into a list is to sub, keep quiet and read for a few days, and then try to fit into the rhythm of the list ... the ones that sub and post within 5 minutes are usually the ones that get the most disrespectful feedback ... because they simply haven't gotten the vibe of the list yet... and I speek from experience ... I've been subed to over 100 lists in the past 5 years, and all lists have had this very problem ... some are nice, some aren't ... some needs to learn how to ask a question, some needs to learn how to answer without biting the OP's head of... Rene -- Rene Brehmer This message was written on 100% recycled spam. Come see! My brand new site is now online! http://www.metalbunny.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] chill out
That's called a welcome message and is standard on nearly all email lists ... although I truly can't remember getting any when I sub'ed to this one in november. The standard for most lists is that you get a message telling you what the list is for, what is allowed, what is not, and how and where to get info on whatever common OT posts that eventually pop up ... So I'd agree to this ... Rene On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:21:24 +0500, Haseeb Iqbal wrote about Re: [PHP] chill out what the universal translator turned into this: hi all, just like to add something here, (which i recmended before) there should be a automated way to email all the new users about what php is, that explain them that php is server side and it can't do client side, just a plain email will do this will certinaly minimize the no of off topic posts,what you people think? i think it will help Friendship is always a sweet responsibility, never an opportunity. HaSeEb IqBaL. -- Rene Brehmer This message was written on 100% recycled spam. Come see! My brand new site is now online! http://www.metalbunny.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re:[PHP] Chill out
First of all I comply with all my previouse poster. For all the readers of this list I'd suggest to read the following article: How to ask questions the smart way at http://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html It's an instruction booklet on how to ask questions on lists like this. And secondly I like to thank everybody contributing to this list. It has been a great help so far and quite a good learning forum. Thank you Stefan Langer
Re: [PHP] chill out
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 01:20:01 +0800, Jason Wong wrote: On Thursday 03 April 2003 11:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We subscribe to a few email lists on various languages. This list would have to be the worst for anyone learning - the amount of sarcasm and flaming that goes on is huge. Try subscribing to the qmail list for a day or two. better than that, try the openbsd-misc mailing list :) -- Mat Harris OpenGPG Public Key ID: C37D57D9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.genestate.com pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [PHP] chill out
It's really funny that this happened because not more than one week ago I was discussing the professionalism of this list with one of my co-workers. I've been very happy with it, but I remember when I first joined it I asked a pretty dumb question and got slammed by a bunch of people because it was simple, but I was just overlooking the solution. It did make me feel like an idiot, but I dealt with it because this was a GREAT resource for all kinds of other information. I'd have to say that this is one of the best, most informative lists I've had the pleasure of being a part of and I'd say it's worth getting slammed every now and again if that's what I have to deal with to get solutions to my problems. :-) Cheers... Brian -Original Message- From: Tim Thorburn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] chill out Hi, I'd have to agree with the original poster on this topic - I've been on this list for about 3 years now, at times it is helpful - and then there's every other day. Granted, there are guru's out there that know all there is to know about PHP, and then there's the new kid that has no idea what it is, but either wants to learn or has to learn. And it is quite possible that not everyone is as adept at finding information online - if you're new to server-side programming languages in general - how or why would you know of the great many repositories of information available online? Sarcasm is one thing, gawd knows I use it on a by the minute basis ... but when a newbie posts a question that may seem simple to some - yet utterly impossible to others, is it constructive to tell them to go back and RTFM in a violent manner? Suggesting that they review the manual again may help, or better yet - if you think it's not worth your time, that's what the trash can button is for. In general, I've had great luck with this list - it just seems the majority of puter ppl don't have super ppl skills ;) Now back to work -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] chill out
Sorry to all who think this horse is sufficiently beat, but just to throw another couple of cents into the pot... I think this list is a product of its own behavior. Some people do get mad because of dumb or simple questions. We breed those questions though because instead of people explaining to the OP how to FIND the answers, we just type out the code for them. So, they essentially don't learn a thing and in a week or two they are back. So, it would be nice to have a concerted effort to perhaps teach/guide these newbies and others as to how to find the answers as there are numerous resources out there. Like the old saying goes, Give a man a fish and feed him for a day, but teach him to fish and feed him for a lifetime. -Brad It's really funny that this happened because not more than one week ago I was discussing the professionalism of this list with one of my co-workers. I've been very happy with it, but I remember when I first joined it I asked a pretty dumb question and got slammed by a bunch of people because it was simple, but I was just overlooking the solution. It did make me feel like an idiot, but I dealt with it because this was a GREAT resource for all kinds of other information. I'd have to say that this is one of the best, most informative lists I've had the pleasure of being a part of and I'd say it's worth getting slammed every now and again if that's what I have to deal with to get solutions to my problems. :-) Cheers... Brian -Original Message- From: Tim Thorburn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] chill out Hi, I'd have to agree with the original poster on this topic - I've been on this list for about 3 years now, at times it is helpful - and then there's every other day. Granted, there are guru's out there that know all there is to know about PHP, and then there's the new kid that has no idea what it is, but either wants to learn or has to learn. And it is quite possible that not everyone is as adept at finding information online - if you're new to server-side programming languages in general - how or why would you know of the great many repositories of information available online? Sarcasm is one thing, gawd knows I use it on a by the minute basis ... but when a newbie posts a question that may seem simple to some - yet utterly impossible to others, is it constructive to tell them to go back and RTFM in a violent manner? Suggesting that they review the manual again may help, or better yet - if you think it's not worth your time, that's what the trash can button is for. In general, I've had great luck with this list - it just seems the majority of puter ppl don't have super ppl skills ;) Now back to work -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] chill out
On Thursday 03 April 2003 08:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this list is a product of its own behavior. Some people do get mad because of dumb or simple questions. We breed those questions though because instead of people explaining to the OP how to FIND the answers, we just type out the code for them. Another thing which is annoying is people quoting whole paragraphs from the manual. It's not as if the manual is a holy tome which is only available to some chosen few. It is freely available online or downloadable in numerous formats and languages. Just give a quick pointer to whereabouts in the manual the relevant info can be found and let the questioner go away and look it up. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * -- Search the list archives before you post http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general -- /* There's a little picture of ED MCMAHON doing BAD THINGS to JOAN RIVERS in a $200,000 MALIBU BEACH HOUSE!! */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] chill out
Well as a relative newbie with little to no programming experience here is my 2 cents worth. I have found that I myself have asked some of the simple questions, while some people respond with RTFM I have had the good fortune of having an understanding sole shoot me back a snippet of code with a brief explanation. I can say at times the Manual reads like VCR instructions (Yes mine still blinks 12:00). while having a new perspective with a real world implmentation spin to it helps out beyond words. Like I said, just my 2 cents here Jess -Original Message- From: Jason Wong [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] chill out On Thursday 03 April 2003 08:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this list is a product of its own behavior. Some people do get mad because of dumb or simple questions. We breed those questions though because instead of people explaining to the OP how to FIND the answers, we just type out the code for them. Another thing which is annoying is people quoting whole paragraphs from the manual. It's not as if the manual is a holy tome which is only available to some chosen few. It is freely available online or downloadable in numerous formats and languages. Just give a quick pointer to whereabouts in the manual the relevant info can be found and let the questioner go away and look it up. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * -- Search the list archives before you post http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general -- /* There's a little picture of ED MCMAHON doing BAD THINGS to JOAN RIVERS in a $200,000 MALIBU BEACH HOUSE!! */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] chill out
I mostly lurk -- my level of participation depends on what I'm working on. I do have these observations: 1. Far too many people don't try to help themselves first, i.e., by doing some creative searching /reading of (primarily) the manual. 2. A serious question usually gets prompt and helpful responses. 3. The same thing usually applies to questions that could be resolved by checking the docs. 4. There are some really sterling and knowledgeable individuals whose participation is more than generous. (I won't name them, but if you check the frequency of posts and quality of answers they're pretty easy to pick out - John Holmes Jason Wong come to mind immediately.) 5. Moderately off topic issues are usually handled with some discretion. 6. The level of language is civilized, not much profanity, etc. 7. There are occasional spats - someone pushing a particular class, or won't let go of the bone, but they're rare. 8. Rasmus L. watches the list! 9. It's open to exchanges like this, which would never get past a moderator. 10. Overall, people are really responsive. Cheers - Miles Thompson At 01:14 PM 4/3/2003 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We subscribe to a few email lists on various languages. This list would have to be the worst for anyone learning - the amount of sarcasm and flaming that goes on is huge. Just try and remember - everyone has to learn, if you feel a question is off topic or stupid - ignore it, theres no need to make the poster feel like an idiot. We all know your smarter than the rest of us ;-) Steve -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] chill out
Jason ... A fellow proofreader!! Well done! Miles snip We all know your smarter than the rest of us ;-) I hope you don't think I'm making you stupid, but I think you mean you're. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz snip -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] chill out
I lurk more than contribute. I'd contribute more (within the limitations of my knowledge) with more time. Being a fairly high volume list, I understand the frustration of considerably OT posts. I feel the list is not particularly suited to those both new to PHP and to programming. Other resources can help in general programming, this list is about PHP. I've learnt a great deal by being on this list. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all its contributors. Chris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Miles -- ...and then Miles Thompson said... % % Jason ... % % A fellow proofreader!! Well done! Oh, there are lots of us out here, but I for one hesitated to jump into the discussion just for that :-) HAND :-D -- David T-G * There is too much animal courage in (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * society and not sufficient moral courage. (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mary Baker Eddy, Science and Health http://justpickone.org/davidtg/ Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[PHP] chill out
May I grab this opportunity to thank you for the load I've learnt on the list. A little row every now and then is colorful and makes work less boring. It also keeps you company if you are working alone. Keep up any rude behavior, it's fun to watch. The technical level is excellent and many contributions very generous indeed, and I'm here to meet a group of programmers, not diplomats. Cheers Alberto Brea -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] chill out
At 4/3/2003 01:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We subscribe to a few email lists on various languages. Why do people assume that because they subscribe to a mailing list with their work address that the mailing list must hold to their company's standards? This list would have to be the worst for anyone learning - the amount of sarcasm and flaming that goes on is huge. If it's the worst, you haven't been on many mailing lists. A word of advice, stay off Usenet. Just try and remember - everyone has to learn, if you feel a question is off topic or stupid - ignore it, theres no need to make the poster feel like an idiot. There is when the poster *is* an idiot. When I first came on this list, I lurked for a few weeks because most of my n00b questions were already being answered in response to other n00bs. But I knew that there weren't people who did as I did because the same questions would be asked over and over again, no matter how many times they'd been answered. However, in my naivete, I actually posted a scathing reply to someone who had given an RTFM to someone asking a really dumb question. Fortunately, the regular I bit into was bright enough to gently brush me off and make me rethink my position. As a result, it wasn't too long before I realized that RTFM is a perfectly appropriate response to many questions; a good number of the answers are already posted to the PHP.net manual, if not in the articles themselves, then in the comments below. This mailing list does not exist to do people's homework for them. I agree that this list should cater only to the PHP elite. If it did, I'd be lost because the help I've gotten here has been invaluable. But I got a lot of that help by reading other people's questions, not ignoring the other posts here. When someone posts a question that's just been answered, or asks, How do I print a variable on a page? then they do deserve a sarcastic response for not bothering to do the *minimal* amount of investigation on their own. And if sarcasm bothers you, then I find it a wonder you can function in normal society at all. People are sarcastic, and this is an open mailing list, not a closed corporate list. It'd be nice if everyone were nice, but it's not a requirement, and just because your company forces you to wear a suit and tie doesn't mean everyone you come in contact with has to as well. if you feel a question is off topic or stupid - ^or sarcastic ignore it, Sound advice. Take it. -- S. Keller UI Engineer The Health TV Channel, Inc. (a non - profit organization) 3820 Lake Otis Pkwy. Anchorage, AK 99508 907.770.6200 ext.220 907.336.6205 (fax) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.healthtvchannel.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] chill out
lol , hey boyz and galz lets be professional now, we cant show the windoze ppl we are such a loose bunch now can we ? heh :D = Original Message From Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We subscribe to a few email lists on various languages. This list would have to be the worst for anyone learning - the amount of sarcasm and flaming that goes on is huge. fu2 -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] chill out
On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:39, daniel wrote: lol , hey boyz and galz lets be professional now, we cant show the windoze ppl we are such a loose bunch now can we ? heh :D Actually a lot of these folk are using wonders sadly. Bob -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] chill out
hi all, just like to add something here, (which i recmended before) there should be a automated way to email all the new users about what php is, that explain them that php is server side and it can't do client side, just a plain email will do this will certinaly minimize the no of off topic posts,what you people think? i think it will help Friendship is always a sweet responsibility, never an opportunity. HaSeEb IqBaL. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] chill out
just like to add something here, (which i recmended before) there should be a automated way to email all the new users about what php is, that explain them that php is server side and it can't do client side, just a plain email will do this will certinaly minimize the no of off topic posts,what you people think? i think it will help I think we've got about the same odds as a newbie reading/understanding that as we do of them searching the archives before they post. It wouldn't hurt, but it's not going to change anything. As for my $0.02 on the whole matter, I say deal with it. You're going to get good answers, bad answers, and sometimes no answer at all, as well as good questions, bad questions, and questions from idiots. If you or I don't like it, there are plenty of other places to go. ---John Holmes... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] chill out
We subscribe to a few email lists on various languages. This list would have to be the worst for anyone learning - the amount of sarcasm and flaming that goes on is huge. Just try and remember - everyone has to learn, if you feel a question is off topic or stupid - ignore it, theres no need to make the poster feel like an idiot. We all know your smarter than the rest of us ;-) Steve -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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for a list that is not moderated i think it's doing quite well. this isn't a service so you get what you pay for ;) cheers, - Sebastian - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | We subscribe to a few email lists on various languages. | | This list would have to be the worst for anyone learning | - the amount of sarcasm and flaming that goes on is huge. | | Just try and remember - everyone has to learn, | if you feel a question is off topic or stupid - ignore it, | theres no need to make the poster feel like an idiot. | | We all know your smarter than the rest of us ;-) | | Steve | | | | -- | PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) | To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php | -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] chill out
It's not people who don't know everything I have a problem. It's people who ask questions when the answer is right in front of their nose. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We subscribe to a few email lists on various languages. This list would have to be the worst for anyone learning - the amount of sarcasm and flaming that goes on is huge. Just try and remember - everyone has to learn, if you feel a question is off topic or stupid - ignore it, theres no need to make the poster feel like an idiot. We all know your smarter than the rest of us ;-) Steve -- The above message is encrypted with double rot13 encoding. Any unauthorized attempt to decrypt it will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We subscribe to a few email lists on various languages. This list would have to be the worst for anyone learning - the amount of sarcasm and flaming that goes on is huge. fu2 -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Actually this list has maintained a high level of professionalism compared to many other lists I'm a member of, join a VB or any other support list for a MS product and you'll see what I mean. Only within the last few days have I seen the list (or members of the list) fail to uphold its status. I've been a member of this list for about two years now, and I have seen a few questionable posts, but over all it has been one of the best lists I had the honor of belonging to. Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] chill out We subscribe to a few email lists on various languages. This list would have to be the worst for anyone learning - the amount of sarcasm and flaming that goes on is huge. Just try and remember - everyone has to learn, if you feel a question is off topic or stupid - ignore it, theres no need to make the poster feel like an idiot. We all know your smarter than the rest of us ;-) Steve -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] chill out
On Thursday 03 April 2003 11:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We subscribe to a few email lists on various languages. This list would have to be the worst for anyone learning - the amount of sarcasm and flaming that goes on is huge. Try subscribing to the qmail list for a day or two. Just try and remember - everyone has to learn, Exactly ... if you feel a question is off topic ... that is why people need to learn that this list is for the discussion of PHP and not HTML/Javascript/Whathaveyou. or stupid Off-topic is pretty easy to define. 'Stupid' posts are more subjective, but ... - ignore it, ... the OP usually feels the urge to repost and repost. In any case this list is tolerant enough that people usually get the answer that they're looking for. theres no need to make the poster feel like an idiot. If you feel like an idiot when someone points out something wrong with your post then you have pretty low self-esteem. We all know your smarter than the rest of us ;-) I hope you don't think I'm making you stupid, but I think you mean you're. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * -- Search the list archives before you post http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general -- /* Tact in audacity is knowing how far you can go without going too far. -- Jean Cocteau */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] chill out
My two cents, I`ve been on the list a month now and I think it`s really cool that this type of thing exists. I`m new to PHP, read all the posts that come through, and 98% of the time don`t have a clue what is being spoken about, so the flaming and other comments provide a welcome relief from my daily stress of working this PHP thing out. I learned the ins and outs of the list by reading all the posts, so I guess this has helped me do my homework before simply requesting someone give me an answer to a problem I could have solved simply by RTFM. Anyone who can`t handle sarcasm.well.that`s another thing On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 07:20, Jason Wong wrote: On Thursday 03 April 2003 11:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We subscribe to a few email lists on various languages. This list would have to be the worst for anyone learning - the amount of sarcasm and flaming that goes on is huge. Try subscribing to the qmail list for a day or two. Just try and remember - everyone has to learn, Exactly ... if you feel a question is off topic ... that is why people need to learn that this list is for the discussion of PHP and not HTML/Javascript/Whathaveyou. or stupid Off-topic is pretty easy to define. 'Stupid' posts are more subjective, but ... - ignore it, ... the OP usually feels the urge to repost and repost. In any case this list is tolerant enough that people usually get the answer that they're looking for. theres no need to make the poster feel like an idiot. If you feel like an idiot when someone points out something wrong with your post then you have pretty low self-esteem. We all know your smarter than the rest of us ;-) I hope you don't think I'm making you stupid, but I think you mean you're. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * -- Search the list archives before you post http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general -- /* Tact in audacity is knowing how far you can go without going too far. -- Jean Cocteau */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Chris Blake Office : (011) 782-0840 Cell : 083 985 0379 Linux vs. Windows is a no-WIN situation. eggs. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] chill out
Hi, I'd have to agree with the original poster on this topic - I've been on this list for about 3 years now, at times it is helpful - and then there's every other day. Granted, there are guru's out there that know all there is to know about PHP, and then there's the new kid that has no idea what it is, but either wants to learn or has to learn. And it is quite possible that not everyone is as adept at finding information online - if you're new to server-side programming languages in general - how or why would you know of the great many repositories of information available online? Sarcasm is one thing, gawd knows I use it on a by the minute basis ... but when a newbie posts a question that may seem simple to some - yet utterly impossible to others, is it constructive to tell them to go back and RTFM in a violent manner? Suggesting that they review the manual again may help, or better yet - if you think it's not worth your time, that's what the trash can button is for. In general, I've had great luck with this list - it just seems the majority of puter ppl don't have super ppl skills ;) Now back to work -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
