Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-22 Thread Octavian Rasnita
Michael Sims wrote: Octavian Rasnita wrote: No, there is no way for customizing the headers Outlook Express use to put in the email messages. I wish there was, because I don't like them also... Although I haven't used it personally, OE-QuoteFix may help:

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-22 Thread Jason Wong
On Wednesday 22 September 2004 03:41, Andre Dubuc wrote: Arrgh! I use Kmail. I click 'Reply' and I get your personal address (instead of the correct 'To:' address. Bummer! Gotta spend some energy wiping the current 'To:' addrress, type in letter 'p', click auto-complete for correct address,

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-22 Thread Lester Caine
Jason Wong wrote: Have fun driving on the wrong side of the road. What side is that? Doesn't it depend on national preference? Not personal preference for certain. That depends on if there IS a national preference. Having seen drivers in some countries there still seems to be a difference of

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-22 Thread Jason Wong
On Wednesday 22 September 2004 16:12, Lester Caine wrote: That depends on if there IS a national preference. Having seen drivers in some countries there still seems to be a difference of opinion ;) So even legal requirements can't enforce some preferred activities, You're missing the point.

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-21 Thread Octavian Rasnita
: [PHP] List Etiquette Hi, On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 04:01:47 +0300 Octavian Rasnita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My email client (Outlook Express) puts a lot of information at the top of the message automaticly, like: The signature, --- original message --- The From line - The to line

RE: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-21 Thread Michael Sims
Octavian Rasnita wrote: No, there is no way for customizing the headers Outlook Express use to put in the email messages. I wish there was, because I don't like them also... Although I haven't used it personally, OE-QuoteFix may help: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ I do

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-21 Thread John Nichel
While the thread still lives, let me add a pet peeve of mine. People who reply to all. Just reply to the list...if you have to click reply to all to get the list address in there, fine, but take a few seconds to remove all other addresses. Thank you for your time. We now return you to your

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-21 Thread Greg Donald
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:02:27 -0400, John Nichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While the thread still lives, let me add a pet peeve of mine. People who reply to all. Just reply to the list...if you have to click reply to all to get the list address in there, fine, but take a few seconds to remove

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-21 Thread Andre Dubuc
On Tuesday 21 September 2004 03:02 pm, John Nichel wrote: While the thread still lives, let me add a pet peeve of mine. People who reply to all. Just reply to the list...if you have to click reply to all to get the list address in there, fine, but take a few seconds to remove all other

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-21 Thread John Holmes
From: Andre Dubuc [EMAIL PROTECTED] I click 'Reply' and I get your personal address (instead of the correct 'To:' address. Oh, for the love of god, jub or whoever, can we not turn this into a who-the-list-should-reply-to thread?!?!? Been there, done-beat-the-dead-horse-about that... ---John

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-21 Thread John Nichel
John Holmes wrote: From: Andre Dubuc [EMAIL PROTECTED] I click 'Reply' and I get your personal address (instead of the correct 'To:' address. Oh, for the love of god, jub or whoever, can we not turn this into a who-the-list-should-reply-to thread?!?!? Been there, done-beat-the-dead-horse-about

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-21 Thread -{ Rene Brehmer }-
Subject: Re: [PHP] List Etiquette Hi, On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 04:01:47 +0300 Octavian Rasnita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My email client (Outlook Express) puts a lot of information at the top of the message automaticly, like: The signature, --- original message --- The From line - The to line

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-21 Thread David Robley
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 05:57, John Nichel wrote: John Holmes wrote: From: Andre Dubuc [EMAIL PROTECTED] I click 'Reply' and I get your personal address (instead of the correct 'To:' address. Oh, for the love of god, jub or whoever, can we not turn this into a who-the-list-should-reply-to

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-21 Thread Greg Donald
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:17:57 +0930, David Robley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go get him, troops :-0 Sorry. -- Greg Donald http://gdconsultants.com/ http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-20 Thread Octavian Rasnita
- Original Message - From: John Nichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [PHP] List Etiquette Octavian Rasnita wrote: snip In other words it's easier for you to reach your Delete key when you top post than when you

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-20 Thread Jason Davidson
are we still on top posting.. shessh. i only top post cuase im lazy... J Octavian Rasnita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: John Nichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-20 Thread - Edwin -
Hi, (I know a lot has already been said but...) On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 17:37:59 -0400 Andre Dubuc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, After googling 'Web Etiquette, Top Posting', I still am puzzled why some people on this list insist that top posting is bad form, rather than personal preference.

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-20 Thread - Edwin -
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 06:11:17 +0800 Jason Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 19 September 2004 05:37, Andre Dubuc wrote: [...] Seems to me much easier to scan the Subject, see how it's developing by reading the reply on the top, rather than have to wade through even snipped old

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-20 Thread - Edwin -
Hi, On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 04:01:47 +0300 Octavian Rasnita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My email client (Outlook Express) puts a lot of information at the top of the message automaticly, like: The signature, --- original message --- The From line - The to line - The date line - The subject

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-20 Thread - Edwin -
Hi Jason, On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 23:42:09 -0700 Jason Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: are we still on top posting.. shessh. i only top post cuase im lazy... Maybe we should talk about one-liners next time... Anyway, I'm sure many people will appreciate it if you trim your posts. Thanks! --

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-20 Thread Peter Risdon
- Edwin - wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 06:11:17 +0800 Jason Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 19 September 2004 05:37, Andre Dubuc wrote: [...] Seems to me much easier to scan the Subject, see how it's developing by reading the reply on the top, rather than have to wade through even snipped

RE: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-20 Thread Dan Joseph
Hi, Happy top posting, Have fun driving on the wrong side of the road. Hey that can be fun! Especially in crowded downtown areas. It's a real challenge! -Dan Joseph -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-20 Thread Thomas Goyne
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 10:02:23 +0800, Jason Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really shouldn't be indulging you as it's pretty obvious you're only here for a vigorous debate (that's my euphemism for an argument - the not so nice meaning of argument). The OP asked for the pros and cons of top

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-19 Thread Mag
Top posting Whats that? hehehe --- -{ Rene Brehmer }- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most mail programs have their default settings set for top posting ... while most news clients are set for bottom posting which way is the most preferable depends on what's most useful for your reply

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-19 Thread Octavian Rasnita
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 5:02 AM Subject: Re: [PHP] List Etiquette On Sunday 19 September 2004 07:52, Robert Cummings wrote: But definitely there's not global consensus. I really shouldn't be indulging you as it's pretty obvious you're only here

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-19 Thread Jason Wong
On Sunday 19 September 2004 19:36, Octavian Rasnita wrote: I have a very strong reason for top posting and a very strong one for not agreeing too much bottom posting at all, and this is the fact that I am blind and if I need to read a bottom post, I need to read again and again the whole

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-19 Thread John Nichel
Octavian Rasnita wrote: Hi, I have a very strong reason for top posting and a very strong one for not agreeing too much bottom posting at all, and this is the fact that I am blind and if I need to read a bottom post, I need to read again and again the whole original message, even though most of

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-19 Thread Octavian Rasnita
Hi, From: John Nichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do the words get smaller at the bottom? Having to scroll thru line after line of message doesn't deal with top vs. bottom posting...that stems from people not trimming non-releative parts out of the message. --- The rules should be made to make the

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-19 Thread Curt Zirzow
* Thus wrote Octavian Rasnita: Hi, I have a very strong reason for top posting and a very strong one for not agreeing too much bottom posting at all, and this is the fact that I am blind and if I need to read a bottom post, I need to read again and again the whole original message, even

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-19 Thread John Nichel
Octavian Rasnita wrote: The rules should be made to make the reading process easier for the readers and the top posting versus bottom posting has nothing to do with the trimming of the messages. It is much easier to trim a message when top posting, just as I explained you. Easier for reading?

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-19 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sun, 2004-09-19 at 14:49, John Nichel wrote: Check the headers of this email. I'm using a Windows box right now, and my cursor was automatically at the end when I clicked reply. Again, it's laziness if one doesn't want to configure their client to put the cursor at the end, or to

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-19 Thread Chris Shiflett
I think it might be best to let this topic die. The original question did not seem to be an attempt to start a debate but rather to hear why experienced users dislike top posting. I think I gave such reasons in my initial reply, so there's no longer a question that needs to be answered. This is

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-19 Thread -{ Rene Brehmer }-
At 16:57 19-09-2004, Octavian Rasnita wrote: Hi, From: John Nichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do the words get smaller at the bottom? Having to scroll thru line after line of message doesn't deal with top vs. bottom posting...that stems from people not trimming non-releative parts out of the message. ---

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-19 Thread Octavian Rasnita
Teddy - Original Message - From: -{ Rene Brehmer }- [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Octavian Rasnita [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [PHP] List Etiquette At 16:57 19-09-2004, Octavian Rasnita wrote: Hi, From: John Nichel [EMAIL

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-19 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: Chris Shiflett [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is like arguing that people choose to use IE instead of Firefox. Surely the flaws of this argument are obvious. For people who bother to make a choice, Firefox is a clear winner. The same is true for formatted email. People (who care) tend to agree on a

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-19 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: John Nichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Easier for reading? Yes, you're right. Do you read a book from the bottom of the page up? Trimming a message is easier if you top post? That's pretty weak. Follow a top posted thread, you'll see that most top posters just leave everything in there,

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-19 Thread John Nichel
Octavian Rasnita wrote: snip In other words it's easier for you to reach your Delete key when you top post than when you bottom post ??? -- Ok, I have bottom posted, and have trimmed the end of the message. But this was a little text only, while the header of this message is still there, and it is

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-18 Thread Chris Shiflett
--- Andre Dubuc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After googling 'Web Etiquette, Top Posting', I still am puzzled why some people on this list insist that top posting is bad form, rather than personal preference. I don't think these two things are mutually exclusive. Yes, there is a difference between

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-18 Thread Jason Wong
On Sunday 19 September 2004 05:37, Andre Dubuc wrote: After googling 'Web Etiquette, Top Posting', I still am puzzled why some people on this list insist that top posting is bad form, rather than personal preference. The arguments seem to be balanced on either side. - Top posting means one

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-18 Thread Robert Cummings
*RUH ROH* Better watch out, top posting is an extremely unpopular discussion. Some members of the list will attempt to lambaste you and tell you that because the rules are written, then they must be the final word. Feel free to post however you please, while the dogs might bark loudly, they are at

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-18 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 18:11, Jason Wong wrote: On Sunday 19 September 2004 05:37, Andre Dubuc wrote: After googling 'Web Etiquette, Top Posting', I still am puzzled why some people on this list insist that top posting is bad form, rather than personal preference. The arguments seem to be

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-18 Thread Jason Wong
On Sunday 19 September 2004 06:33, Robert Cummings wrote: [snip] Happy top posting, Have fun driving on the wrong side of the road. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-18 Thread Jason Wong
On Sunday 19 September 2004 06:46, Robert Cummings wrote: I think the argument was top posting versus bottom posting. Not top posting versus interlacing. If you have no need to reply point to point then there is no reason I can see why top posting is unsuitable. I think you're splitting hair

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-18 Thread Andre Dubuc
OK, Jason. I'm throughly confused. You say: Top posting means one cannot reply point by point like I'm doing here. then you state: Wouldn't you agree that it's easier to read something point by point whereby you can easily see the context, instead of reading a sentence at the top of the post

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-18 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 18:46, Jason Wong wrote: On Sunday 19 September 2004 06:33, Robert Cummings wrote: [snip] Happy top posting, Have fun driving on the wrong side of the road. What side is that? Doesn't it depend on national preference? Cheers, Rob. --

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-18 Thread Jason Wong
On Sunday 19 September 2004 07:40, Robert Cummings wrote: Have fun driving on the wrong side of the road. What side is that? Doesn't it depend on national preference? Not personal preference for certain. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-18 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 19:42, Jason Wong wrote: On Sunday 19 September 2004 07:40, Robert Cummings wrote: Have fun driving on the wrong side of the road. What side is that? Doesn't it depend on national preference? Not personal preference for certain. But definitely there's not global

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-18 Thread Jason Wong
On Sunday 19 September 2004 07:52, Robert Cummings wrote: But definitely there's not global consensus. I really shouldn't be indulging you as it's pretty obvious you're only here for a vigorous debate (that's my euphemism for an argument - the not so nice meaning of argument). The OP asked

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-18 Thread -{ Rene Brehmer }-
Most mail programs have their default settings set for top posting ... while most news clients are set for bottom posting which way is the most preferable depends on what's most useful for your reply ... but those that enjoy mixing top and bottom posting are the daft ones ... once a

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-18 Thread -{ Rene Brehmer }-
At 01:40 19-09-2004, Robert Cummings wrote: On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 18:46, Jason Wong wrote: On Sunday 19 September 2004 06:33, Robert Cummings wrote: [snip] Happy top posting, Have fun driving on the wrong side of the road. What side is that? Doesn't it depend on national preference? When I

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-18 Thread Greg Beaver
PHP Warning: Missing forest, too many trees. Lots of you are good coders, I've seen you devote immense time and enegry to crafting informative and helpful posts for years, let's just move on and read messages using incredibly normal skills like short-term memory and index finger dexterity for your

Re: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-18 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 22:02, Jason Wong wrote: On Sunday 19 September 2004 07:52, Robert Cummings wrote: But definitely there's not global consensus. I really shouldn't be indulging you as it's pretty obvious you're only here for a vigorous debate (that's my euphemism for an argument -

RE: [PHP] List Etiquette

2004-09-18 Thread Ed Lazor
-Original Message- What side is that? Doesn't it depend on national preference? When I overtake others, I usually take to the other lane ... is that the wrong side, or the right side of the road, for what I'm doing ? Depends on your perspective :P hehe -Ed -- PHP General Mailing