RE: [PHP] RE: Address book - LDAP or MySQL?
[snip] As I understand it, LDAP and MySQL offer two different ways of setting up a networked address book. So I take it they can be compared as far as that is concerned. Actually, I normally run Linux, so Active Directory would not be a priority for me. I didn't say LDAP was a database. However, the principal usage of LDAP, as far as I can see (by googling for LDAP) is in fact to set up a network address book of some kind. It may be used for other purposes, but they are not really relevant to my enquiry. [/snip] The Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) is an application protocol for querying and modifying directory services running over TCP/IP. A directory service is a software application - or a set of applications - that stores and organizes information about a computer network's users and network resources, and that allows network administrators to manage users' access to the resources. Additionally, directory services act as an abstraction layer between users and shared resources. A directory service should not be confused with the directory repository itself; which is the database that holds information about named objects that are managed in the directory service. The directory service provides the access interface to the data that is contained in one or more directory namespaces. The directory service interface acts as a central/common authority that can securely authenticate the system resources that manage the directory data. Like a database, a directory service is highly optimized for reads and provides advanced search possibilities on many different attributes that can be associated with objects in a directory. The data that is stored in the directory is defined by an extendible and modifiable schema. Directory services use a distributed model for storing their information and that information is usually replicated between directory servers. I suspect for your purposes it is better (easier) to create an address book using MySQL and access it with PHP's library of MySQL functions. Using LDAP to access the directory service that access data namespaces may be a little over the top for an address book. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] RE: Address book - LDAP or MySQL?
umm... not sure who posted that ldap isn't a database... ldap isn't a database like oracle, mysql, sybase, etc.. it's meant to be a kind of lightweight database/protocol for establishing user address book kinds of information, normally used for user id/auth processes. peace.. -Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Murphy Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:02 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP] RE: Address book - LDAP or MySQL? Jay Blanchard wrote: I'm thinking of setting up an address-book on my server, but I'm not sure whether to use LDAP or MySQL. First of all LDAP is not a database, it is a connection protocol that can connect to many things, most notably Active Directory seems to be the most popular usage. Therefore you cannot compare it to MySQL, because MySQL is a database product. Are you talking about Active Directory being the database? As I understand it, LDAP and MySQL offer two different ways of setting up a networked address book. So I take it they can be compared as far as that is concerned. Actually, I normally run Linux, so Active Directory would not be a priority for me. I didn't say LDAP was a database. However, the principal usage of LDAP, as far as I can see (by googling for LDAP) is in fact to set up a network address book of some kind. It may be used for other purposes, but they are not really relevant to my enquiry. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: Address book - LDAP or MySQL?
i havent worked w/ LDAP and PHP together as of yet; but maybe i can jump in the conversation and share some of my thoughts on the topic.. in terms of options for Timothy's address book the data for the address book will need to be stored somewhere. since Timothy is already using MySQL that sounds like a great place for the data. likely, Timothy is planning a graphical Web interface to the address book. So let me see if i can draw LDAP into the equation. lets suppose Timothy cranks out the MySQL table structure and builds an graphical interface via PHP, but he wants to allow people to query the directory through another context, something programmatic. without LDAP he could build some sort of API around the code that accesses the MySQL data. this would be exposed over http, ideally a RESTfull of SOAP interface. im wondering if LDAP would better serve this purpose since it is a protocol aimed at directory information in the first place. so if Timothy were to use LDAP instead, there would be no creation (see caveat) of the data profile for the address book. LDAP servers talks to an internal database (at least thats what OpenLDAP does [w/ BerkDB]http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin23/install.html). in that case there would be no time spent building the table structure. the PHP-based ui would interact w/ the LDAP server instead of the proprietary MySQL structure and third parties could access the directory via the standard LDAP protocol, thus no need to build the API. one caveat is, defining the data structure the LDAP server will access. reading the man page on OpenLDAP i discovered LDAP provides access to X.500 directory services i began to read a bit on the information model of X.500http://www.surfnet.nl/innovatie/afgesloten/x500/introducing/chapt-2.html#2.1, which appears to be customizable, but this is getting way out of my immediate zone of knowledge. so if the stock data profile from the OpenLDAP server (if thats what is ultimately used) would have to suffice or there would have to be some mad research! it seems to me like using LDAP for the directory implementation is a design decision dependent upon - a need to expose external access to the directory - a need to support standard interface to the directory - familiarity w/ LDAP (this could be the kicker :) - as always time / deadline .. -nathan On 6/29/07, Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] As I understand it, LDAP and MySQL offer two different ways of setting up a networked address book. So I take it they can be compared as far as that is concerned. Actually, I normally run Linux, so Active Directory would not be a priority for me. I didn't say LDAP was a database. However, the principal usage of LDAP, as far as I can see (by googling for LDAP) is in fact to set up a network address book of some kind. It may be used for other purposes, but they are not really relevant to my enquiry. [/snip] The Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) is an application protocol for querying and modifying directory services running over TCP/IP. A directory service is a software application - or a set of applications - that stores and organizes information about a computer network's users and network resources, and that allows network administrators to manage users' access to the resources. Additionally, directory services act as an abstraction layer between users and shared resources. A directory service should not be confused with the directory repository itself; which is the database that holds information about named objects that are managed in the directory service. The directory service provides the access interface to the data that is contained in one or more directory namespaces. The directory service interface acts as a central/common authority that can securely authenticate the system resources that manage the directory data. Like a database, a directory service is highly optimized for reads and provides advanced search possibilities on many different attributes that can be associated with objects in a directory. The data that is stored in the directory is defined by an extendible and modifiable schema. Directory services use a distributed model for storing their information and that information is usually replicated between directory servers. I suspect for your purposes it is better (easier) to create an address book using MySQL and access it with PHP's library of MySQL functions. Using LDAP to access the directory service that access data namespaces may be a little over the top for an address book. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: Address book - LDAP or MySQL?
[snip] Erm, have you heard of OpenLDAP? It's probably the widest used one. AFAIK it's on all OSX machines (used interanlly from what I can gather) and is very widely used on Linux. [/snip] Yes, and I use it extensively. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] RE: Address book - LDAP or MySQL?
[snip] umm... not sure who posted that ldap isn't a database... ldap isn't a database like oracle, mysql, sybase, etc.. it's meant to be a kind of lightweight database/protocol for establishing user address book kinds of information, normally used for user id/auth processes. [/snip] Twas me. LDAP is not a database it is a protocol for accessing a directory service which is the abstraction layer for the actual data repository namespace. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: Address book - LDAP or MySQL?
Ed, Im not sure if OpenLDAP or other can use a different backed, such as MySQL. I suspect there would be a server to support this, but it would almost certainly define the table structure in the database of choice. From the sound of it there are ways to change the information model of X.500 (when using OpenLDAP) to manipulate the structure of the internal database, but telling the LDAP server to use a different database seems to be out of the question. this, based upon some light research this morning. if you want to expose an LDAP layer to clients of the CRM application you would likely have to batch some sort of import process to a new LDAP server installation. Also, you would have to support synchronization of the data in the LDAP servers database and the MySQL database of your CRM application using the LDAP as an interface. plus i dont think its too far off OP's topic, because this is something that would have to be considered in the LDAP implementation he was curious about in the first place. -nathan On 6/29/07, Edward Kay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/29/07, Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] As I understand it, LDAP and MySQL offer two different ways of setting up a networked address book. So I take it they can be compared as far as that is concerned. Actually, I normally run Linux, so Active Directory would not be a priority for me. I didn't say LDAP was a database. However, the principal usage of LDAP, as far as I can see (by googling for LDAP) is in fact to set up a network address book of some kind. It may be used for other purposes, but they are not really relevant to my enquiry. [/snip] PHP/MySQL/LDAP integration is something I've been thinking about for a little while too. I've built a CRM system in PHP with a MySQL database and would like the contact info to be available to our users in their email programs. LDAP seems a good (the only?) option for this due to support in Outlook etc. From my understanding, LDAP is just a defined protocol for accessing directory data. The data must be stored somewhere else, in my case the MySQL database. In order to access the data using a LDAP, you need to set-up an LDAP server (e.g. OpenLDAP). What I haven't looked into much yet is how to interface the LDAP server to the MySQL database... I know this isn't too helpful to the OP's question - just wanted to register my interest in the topic and (hopefully) stimulate conversation. Edward -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] RE: Address book - LDAP or MySQL?
On 6/29/07, Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] As I understand it, LDAP and MySQL offer two different ways of setting up a networked address book. So I take it they can be compared as far as that is concerned. Actually, I normally run Linux, so Active Directory would not be a priority for me. I didn't say LDAP was a database. However, the principal usage of LDAP, as far as I can see (by googling for LDAP) is in fact to set up a network address book of some kind. It may be used for other purposes, but they are not really relevant to my enquiry. [/snip] PHP/MySQL/LDAP integration is something I've been thinking about for a little while too. I've built a CRM system in PHP with a MySQL database and would like the contact info to be available to our users in their email programs. LDAP seems a good (the only?) option for this due to support in Outlook etc. From my understanding, LDAP is just a defined protocol for accessing directory data. The data must be stored somewhere else, in my case the MySQL database. In order to access the data using a LDAP, you need to set-up an LDAP server (e.g. OpenLDAP). What I haven't looked into much yet is how to interface the LDAP server to the MySQL database... I know this isn't too helpful to the OP's question - just wanted to register my interest in the topic and (hopefully) stimulate conversation. Edward -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: Address book - LDAP or MySQL?
On 6/29/07, Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Twas me. LDAP is not a database it is a protocol for accessing a directory service which is the abstraction layer for the actual data repository namespace. And an LDAP server will typically house said repository namespace. Like OpenLDAP using BerkDB. I think thats where people are getting confused. The difference between LDAP as a protocol and LDAP servers, which incorporate the protocol and the directory storage. (please correct me if im wrong [like i had to ask :)]) -nathan On 6/29/07, Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] umm... not sure who posted that ldap isn't a database... ldap isn't a database like oracle, mysql, sybase, etc.. it's meant to be a kind of lightweight database/protocol for establishing user address book kinds of information, normally used for user id/auth processes. [/snip] Twas me. LDAP is not a database it is a protocol for accessing a directory service which is the abstraction layer for the actual data repository namespace. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
