Re: [PHP] Conclusion of use strict...
Hehe,I don't agree with either :-) But I am still searching for some solution, and when (and if) I find it I will be happy to share with you (btw, obviously nobody shared experiences about that compiler) Hans is the OP, the one you thought got it all wrong., you're actually agree with me ... which is as natural as it is inevitable ;-) LOL, right :)
Re: [PHP] Conclusion of use strict...
Hans Schultz schreef:
Hehe,
I don't agree with either :-)
But I am still searching for some solution, and when (and if) I find it
I will be happy to share with you (btw, obviously nobody shared
experiences about that compiler)
no, but did the comments I made about var vars and vars included via other
[optional files] register?
also you might consider something low key as a starting point, here's
a handy little oneliner for the [bash] shell:
find . -name \*.php \! -exec php -d error_reporting=4095 -d display_errors=1 -l
{} \;
Hans is the OP, the one you thought got it all wrong., you're
actually
agree with me ... which is as natural as it is inevitable ;-)
LOL, right :)
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Re: [PHP] Conclusion of use strict...
--- Use FreeOpenSourceSoftwares, Stop piracy, Let the developers live. Get a Free CD of Ubuntu mailed to your door without any cost. Visit : www.ubuntu.com -- On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Jochem Maas joc...@iamjochem.com wrote: Hans Schultz schreef: Thanks for reply, I completely understood your answer even in previous thread, but you should understand few very simple things1. I am not working alone, so I can't make other people use tools I use (eclipse + PDT at the moment) 2. even if somehow I manage to do number 1 we also have some legacy code from where ocassionally popup some idiotic bug (like that I mentioned with typo in property name)I hope (because of 1 and 2) you can understand that eclipse + PDT is not answer to my problem. Now, since I need some way to do these checks for all code paths (and not just currently running one) that is why I am more interested for something able to do those checks in compile time (ie, my javac will report to me uninitialized variable if I have some code path that could miss initialization of variable I am using later); since almost everyone agreed that could be done by some compiler I found php compiler (that for fact really exist, and I even posted llnk to it), since I need to use windows for development and compiler has trial version for linux I was curious if someone used it and if it could help me with my problems.. So, question is NOT whether php is interpreted or compiled, or is there a compiler, question is rather is that compiler useful for my problem.Best regards 1. you should *try* to standardize everyone on a single IDE/tool-chain 2. a decent IDE will give warnings about vars that are [seemingly] uninitialized or used only once. 3. a compiler can't cover all situations (variable variables, vars defined in optional includes, etc) 4. there is no silver bullet. 5. try to compartmentalize code so that the scope of a var doesn't exceed the number of lines you can view in a single screen (makes it easier to spot typos, etc) 6. I am not a number. I completely agree with Hans, as PHP cant be directly compared to that of java's behaviour. All of your team should be using a single IDE or at least good IDEs like Zend Studio, Eclipse PDT, NetBeans PDT while Netbeans is currently the best. PHP is more of a loosely typed language you cant really rely on compile time or something like that to be able to detect old typo bugs etc. The other way is writing a separate engine to detect those sorts of bugs, but using IDE and checking them manually can only ensure the perfectness.
Re: [PHP] Conclusion of use strict...
9el schreef: --- Use FreeOpenSourceSoftwares, Stop piracy, Let the developers live. Get a Free CD of Ubuntu mailed to your door without any cost. Visit : www.ubuntu.com -- do we need these extra bytes in every email? On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Jochem Maas joc...@iamjochem.com wrote: Hans Schultz schreef: Thanks for reply, I completely understood your answer even in previous thread, but you should understand few very simple things1. I am not working alone, so I can't make other people use tools I use (eclipse + PDT at the moment) 2. even if somehow I manage to do number 1 we also have some legacy code from where ocassionally popup some idiotic bug (like that I mentioned with typo in property name)I hope (because of 1 and 2) you can understand that eclipse + PDT is not answer to my problem. Now, since I need some way to do these checks for all code paths (and not just currently running one) that is why I am more interested for something able to do those checks in compile time (ie, my javac will report to me uninitialized variable if I have some code path that could miss initialization of variable I am using later); since almost everyone agreed that could be done by some compiler I found php compiler (that for fact really exist, and I even posted llnk to it), since I need to use windows for development and compiler has trial version for linux I was curious if someone used it and if it could help me with my problems.. So, question is NOT whether php is interpreted or compiled, or is there a compiler, question is rather is that compiler useful for my problem.Best regards 1. you should *try* to standardize everyone on a single IDE/tool-chain 2. a decent IDE will give warnings about vars that are [seemingly] uninitialized or used only once. 3. a compiler can't cover all situations (variable variables, vars defined in optional includes, etc) 4. there is no silver bullet. 5. try to compartmentalize code so that the scope of a var doesn't exceed the number of lines you can view in a single screen (makes it easier to spot typos, etc) 6. I am not a number. I completely agree with Hans, as PHP cant be directly compared to that of java's behaviour. Hans is the OP, the one you thought got it all wrong., you're actually agree with me ... which is as natural as it is inevitable ;-) All of your team should be using a single IDE or at least good IDEs like Zend Studio, Eclipse PDT, NetBeans PDT while Netbeans is currently the best. PHP is more of a loosely typed language you cant really rely on compile time or something like that to be able to detect old typo bugs etc. The other way is writing a separate engine to detect those sorts of bugs, but using IDE and checking them manually can only ensure the perfectness. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Conclusion of use strict...
do we need these extra bytes in every email? Extremely sorry about that :) I completely agree with Hans, as PHP cant be directly compared to that of java's behaviour. Hans is the OP, the one you thought got it all wrong., you're actually agree with me ... which is as natural as it is inevitable ;-) LOL, right :)
Re: [PHP] Conclusion of use strict...
You got it all wrong. As explained, php dont have real compile time like other languages. And if you want to learn a language, you have to start the way it acts. the E_STRICT setting will tell you most of the errors possible from a php script. At production level programmers keep the errors away from visitors eyes by redirecting them all to log files. If you use PDT like NetBeans (which is regarded as the best one yet... there's one version of Visual PHP for Visual Studio developers as well) As you have got to check the errors for typos its the best way to get aid of the PDT IDEs. Thats my personal opinion. Lenin www.twitter.com/nine_L www.lenin9l.wordpress.com --- Use FreeOpenSourceSoftwares, Stop piracy, Let the developers live. Get a Free CD of Ubuntu mailed to your door without any cost. Visit : www.ubuntu.com -- On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Hans Schultz h.schult...@yahoo.com wrote: Concluding, and one idea...I think I received satisfying advices on everything but first question (Detection of typos and other simple mistakes). And we were talking also about being able to catch them at compile time, then if php at all has compile time etc. Today one thing crossed my mind -- if there is compiler for php maybe it can catch these errors natively, like java compiler for java? Unfortunatelly there is no recent version available for windows so I can't test it myself ( http://www.roadsend.com/home/index.php?pageID=compiler). I am interesting if someone is using it, and if it can detect this simple mistakes (I am using eclipse + php plugin, but I feel there is something wrong in depending on editor to detect programming errors :-) ) Regards to all, --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Ovidiu Rosoiu ovidiu.ros...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ovidiu Rosoiu ovidiu.ros...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PHP] use strict or similar in PHP? To: Hans Schultz h.schult...@yahoo.com Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 9:14 PM Hans Schultz wrote: Hello, I am beginner with PHP and prior to PHP I have worked with java for some time and with perl for very short period. I can't help to notice some things that are little annoyance for me with PHP, but I am sure someone more experienced can help me :-) Is there in PHP something like use strict from perl? I find it pretty annoying to need to run script over and over again just to find out that I made typo in variable name. Is there some way for PHP to cache some data on the page? I like very much PHP's speed but it would be even better to be able to cache some frequently used data from database? Also regarding databases, I liked a lot java's way of sending data to database using parameters (select * from user where username = ? and then passing parameter separately with database doing necessary escaping and everything). Is there something like PHPDBC similar to JDBC?
Re: [PHP] Conclusion of use strict...
Thanks for reply, I completely understood your answer even in previous thread, but you should understand few very simple things1. I am not working alone, so I can't make other people use tools I use (eclipse + PDT at the moment) 2. even if somehow I manage to do number 1 we also have some legacy code from where ocassionally popup some idiotic bug (like that I mentioned with typo in property name)I hope (because of 1 and 2) you can understand that eclipse + PDT is not answer to my problem. Now, since I need some way to do these checks for all code paths (and not just currently running one) that is why I am more interested for something able to do those checks in compile time (ie, my javac will report to me uninitialized variable if I have some code path that could miss initialization of variable I am using later); since almost everyone agreed that could be done by some compiler I found php compiler (that for fact really exist, and I even posted llnk to it), since I need to use windows for development and compiler has trial version for linux I was curious if someone used it and if it could help me with my problems.. So, question is NOT whether php is interpreted or compiled, or is there a compiler, question is rather is that compiler useful for my problem.Best regards --- On Wed, 3/4/09, 9el le...@phpxperts.net wrote: From: 9el le...@phpxperts.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Conclusion of use strict... To: h.schult...@yahoo.com Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 4:20 PM You got it all wrong. As explained, php dont have real compile time like other languages. And if you want to learn a language, you have to start the way it acts. the E_STRICT setting will tell you most of the errors possible from a php script. At production level programmers keep the errors away from visitors eyes by redirecting them all to log files. If you use PDT like NetBeans (which is regarded as the best one yet... there's one version of Visual PHP for Visual Studio developers as well) As you have got to check the errors for typos its the best way to get aid of the PDT IDEs. Thats my personal opinion. Lenin www.twitter.com/nine_L www.lenin9l.wordpress.com --- Use FreeOpenSourceSoftwares, Stop piracy, Let the developers live. Get a Free CD of Ubuntu mailed to your door without any cost. Visit : www.ubuntu.com -- On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Hans Schultz h.schult...@yahoo.com wrote: Concluding, and one idea...I think I received satisfying advices on everything but first question (Detection of typos and other simple mistakes). And we were talking also about being able to catch them at compile time, then if php at all has compile time etc. Today one thing crossed my mind -- if there is compiler for php maybe it can catch these errors natively, like java compiler for java? Unfortunatelly there is no recent version available for windows so I can't test it myself (http://www.roadsend.com/home/index.php?pageID=compiler). I am interesting if someone is using it, and if it can detect this simple mistakes (I am using eclipse + php plugin, but I feel there is something wrong in depending on editor to detect programming errors :-) ) Regards to all, --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Ovidiu Rosoiu ovidiu.ros...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ovidiu Rosoiu ovidiu.ros...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PHP] use strict or similar in PHP? To: Hans Schultz h.schult...@yahoo.com Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 9:14 PM Hans Schultz wrote: Hello, I am beginner with PHP and prior to PHP I have worked with java for some time and with perl for very short period. I can't help to notice some things that are little annoyance for me with PHP, but I am sure someone more experienced can help me :-) Is there in PHP something like use strict from perl? I find it pretty annoying to need to run script over and over again just to find out that I made typo in variable name. Is there some way for PHP to cache some data on the page? I like very much PHP's speed but it would be even better to be able to cache some frequently used data from database? Also regarding databases, I liked a lot java's way of sending data to database using parameters (select * from user where username = ? and then passing parameter separately with database doing necessary escaping and everything). Is there something like PHPDBC similar to JDBC?
Re: [PHP] Conclusion of use strict...
Hans Schultz schreef: Thanks for reply, I completely understood your answer even in previous thread, but you should understand few very simple things1. I am not working alone, so I can't make other people use tools I use (eclipse + PDT at the moment) 2. even if somehow I manage to do number 1 we also have some legacy code from where ocassionally popup some idiotic bug (like that I mentioned with typo in property name)I hope (because of 1 and 2) you can understand that eclipse + PDT is not answer to my problem. Now, since I need some way to do these checks for all code paths (and not just currently running one) that is why I am more interested for something able to do those checks in compile time (ie, my javac will report to me uninitialized variable if I have some code path that could miss initialization of variable I am using later); since almost everyone agreed that could be done by some compiler I found php compiler (that for fact really exist, and I even posted llnk to it), since I need to use windows for development and compiler has trial version for linux I was curious if someone used it and if it could help me with my problems.. So, question is NOT whether php is interpreted or compiled, or is there a compiler, question is rather is that compiler useful for my problem.Best regards 1. you should *try* to standardize everyone on a single IDE/tool-chain 2. a decent IDE will give warnings about vars that are [seemingly] uninitialized or used only once. 3. a compiler can't cover all situations (variable variables, vars defined in optional includes, etc) 4. there is no silver bullet. 5. try to compartmentalize code so that the scope of a var doesn't exceed the number of lines you can view in a single screen (makes it easier to spot typos, etc) 6. I am not a number. --- On Wed, 3/4/09, 9el le...@phpxperts.net wrote: From: 9el le...@phpxperts.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Conclusion of use strict... To: h.schult...@yahoo.com Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 4:20 PM You got it all wrong. As explained, php dont have real compile time like other languages. And if you want to learn a language, you have to start the way it acts. the E_STRICT setting will tell you most of the errors possible from a php script. At production level programmers keep the errors away from visitors eyes by redirecting them all to log files. If you use PDT like NetBeans (which is regarded as the best one yet... there's one version of Visual PHP for Visual Studio developers as well) As you have got to check the errors for typos its the best way to get aid of the PDT IDEs. Thats my personal opinion. Lenin www.twitter.com/nine_L www.lenin9l.wordpress.com --- Use FreeOpenSourceSoftwares, Stop piracy, Let the developers live. Get a Free CD of Ubuntu mailed to your door without any cost. Visit : www.ubuntu.com -- On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Hans Schultz h.schult...@yahoo.com wrote: Concluding, and one idea...I think I received satisfying advices on everything but first question (Detection of typos and other simple mistakes). And we were talking also about being able to catch them at compile time, then if php at all has compile time etc. Today one thing crossed my mind -- if there is compiler for php maybe it can catch these errors natively, like java compiler for java? Unfortunatelly there is no recent version available for windows so I can't test it myself (http://www.roadsend.com/home/index.php?pageID=compiler). I am interesting if someone is using it, and if it can detect this simple mistakes (I am using eclipse + php plugin, but I feel there is something wrong in depending on editor to detect programming errors :-) ) Regards to all, --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Ovidiu Rosoiu ovidiu.ros...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ovidiu Rosoiu ovidiu.ros...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PHP] use strict or similar in PHP? To: Hans Schultz h.schult...@yahoo.com Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 9:14 PM Hans Schultz wrote: Hello, I am beginner with PHP and prior to PHP I have worked with java for some time and with perl for very short period. I can't help to notice some things that are little annoyance for me with PHP, but I am sure someone more experienced can help me :-) Is there in PHP something like use strict from perl? I find it pretty annoying to need to run script over and over again just to find out that I made typo in variable name. Is there some way for PHP to cache some data on the page? I like very much PHP's speed but it would be even better to be able to cache some frequently used data from database? Also regarding databases, I liked a lot java's way of sending data
