Re: [PHP] Re: phpsadness - P.C. shmee seee.

2011-06-08 Thread Tamara Temple
On Jun 5, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Richard Riley wrote: Geoff Shang writes: On Sun, 5 Jun 2011, Richard Riley wrote: I don't. I just don't want them to lock out my browser just because they don't support it. Many pages which don't work optimally under Lynx can still be read, which is all I

Re: [PHP] Re: phpsadness - P.C. shmee seee.

2011-06-06 Thread tedd
At 10:18 AM +0100 6/6/11, Richard Quadling wrote: If you were to start with a full bells and whistles HTML5/CSS3 site, then you would already have an issue with very very old and / or non visual browsers I think. If they don't have JS, then the level of FOOBAR is going to be even greater. So. I

Re: [PHP] Re: phpsadness - P.C. shmee seee.

2011-06-06 Thread tedd
At 8:36 AM -0400 6/6/11, Robert Cummings wrote: On 11-06-06 05:18 AM, Richard Quadling wrote: On 6 June 2011 01:44, Robert Cummings wrote: On 11-06-05 07:28 PM, Richard Quadling wrote: There is another approach. Regressive Enhancement. Essentially, create your site with all the bells and whi

Re: [PHP] Re: phpsadness - P.C. shmee seee.

2011-06-06 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-06-06 05:18 AM, Richard Quadling wrote: On 6 June 2011 01:44, Robert Cummings wrote: On 11-06-05 07:28 PM, Richard Quadling wrote: There is another approach. Regressive Enhancement. Essentially, create your site with all the bells and whistles enabled. Make full use of all / any standar

Re: [PHP] Re: phpsadness - P.C. shmee seee.

2011-06-06 Thread Richard Quadling
On 6 June 2011 01:44, Robert Cummings wrote: > On 11-06-05 07:28 PM, Richard Quadling wrote: >> There is another approach. Regressive Enhancement. >> >> Essentially, create your site with all the bells and whistles enabled. >> Make full use of all / any standards compliant feature. >> >> For brows

Re: [PHP] Re: phpsadness - P.C. shmee seee.

2011-06-05 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-06-05 07:28 PM, Richard Quadling wrote: On 5 June 2011 19:15, Robert Cummings wrote: 2 words... progressive enhancement. If your browser doesn't support a feature then it should degrade gracefully. Accessible web philosophy 101. I hate going on to some website, especially government, and

Re: [PHP] Re: phpsadness - P.C. shmee seee.

2011-06-05 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-06-05 07:28 PM, tedd wrote: At 2:15 PM -0400 6/5/11, Robert Cummings wrote: 2 words... progressive enhancement. If your browser doesn't support a feature then it should degrade gracefully. Accessible web philosophy 101. I hate going on to some website, especially government, and finding th

Re: [PHP] Re: phpsadness - P.C. shmee seee.

2011-06-05 Thread Richard Quadling
On 5 June 2011 19:15, Robert Cummings wrote: > 2 words... progressive enhancement. If your browser doesn't support a > feature then it should degrade gracefully. Accessible web philosophy 101. I > hate going on to some website, especially government, and finding that it > sniffs my browser and the

Re: [PHP] Re: phpsadness - P.C. shmee seee.

2011-06-05 Thread tedd
At 2:15 PM -0400 6/5/11, Robert Cummings wrote: On 11-06-05 09:33 AM, Richard Riley wrote: Geoff Shang writes: On Sun, 5 Jun 2011, Tim Streater wrote: Anyone whose site says that sort of crap needs a good smack. Don't get me started on Facebook. If they don't like your browser, they redi

Re: [PHP] Re: phpsadness - P.C. shmee seee.

2011-06-05 Thread tedd
At 6:29 PM +0100 6/5/11, Ashley Sheridan wrote: I think his point is that a lot of websites ignorantly stop browsers not on their list of compatible ones, and end up blocking browsers that would work perfectly well, just the original developer either wasn't aware or didn't care. This used to be

Re: Re: [PHP] Re: phpsadness - P.C. shmee seee.

2011-06-05 Thread Tim Streater
On 05 Jun 2011 at 21:28, Geoff Shang wrote: > On Sun, 5 Jun 2011, Richard Riley wrote: > >> If they allowed incompatible browsers that caused havoc then before you >> know it the great unwashed would be demanding more and better support or >> complaining about lack of functionality. Doing what t

Re: [PHP] Re: phpsadness - P.C. shmee seee.

2011-06-05 Thread Geoff Shang
On Sun, 5 Jun 2011, Richard Riley wrote: If they allowed incompatible browsers that caused havoc then before you know it the great unwashed would be demanding more and better support or complaining about lack of functionality. Doing what they do they make it very clear from day one. This would

Re: [PHP] Re: phpsadness - P.C. shmee seee.

2011-06-05 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-06-05 02:25 PM, Richard Riley wrote: Ashley Sheridan writes: > I think his point is that a lot of websites ignorantly stop browsers not on their list of compatible ones, and end up blocking browsers that would work perfectly well, just the original developer either wasn't aware or didn't

Re: [PHP] Re: phpsadness - P.C. shmee seee.

2011-06-05 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-06-05 01:23 PM, Richard Riley wrote: Geoff Shang writes: On Sun, 5 Jun 2011, Richard Riley wrote: I don't. I just don't want them to lock out my browser just because they don't support it. Many pages which don't work optimally under Lynx can still be read, which is all I'm wanting

Re: [PHP] Re: phpsadness - P.C. shmee seee.

2011-06-05 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-06-05 09:33 AM, Richard Riley wrote: Geoff Shang writes: On Sun, 5 Jun 2011, Tim Streater wrote: Anyone whose site says that sort of crap needs a good smack. Don't get me started on Facebook. If they don't like your browser, they redirect you to their"We don't support your browser p

Re: [PHP] Re: phpsadness - P.C. shmee seee.

2011-06-05 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Sun, 2011-06-05 at 19:23 +0200, Richard Riley wrote: > Geoff Shang writes: > > > On Sun, 5 Jun 2011, Richard Riley wrote: > > > >>> I don't. I just don't want them to lock out my browser just because they > >>> don't > >>> support it. Many pages which don't work optimally under Lynx can st

Re: Re: [PHP] Re: phpsadness - P.C. shmee seee.

2011-06-05 Thread Tim Streater
On 05 Jun 2011 at 16:23, Geoff Shang wrote: > On Sun, 5 Jun 2011, Richard Riley wrote: > >>> I don't. I just don't want them to lock out my browser just because they >>> don't >>> support it. Many pages which don't work optimally under Lynx can still be >>> read, >>> which is all I'm wanting

Re: [PHP] Re: phpsadness - P.C. shmee seee.

2011-06-05 Thread Geoff Shang
On Sun, 5 Jun 2011, Richard Riley wrote: I don't. I just don't want them to lock out my browser just because they don't support it. Many pages which don't work optimally under Lynx can still be read, which is all I'm wanting to do anyway. They need to or there can be unintentional side affec

Re: [PHP] Re: phpsadness - P.C. shmee seee.

2011-06-05 Thread Geoff Shang
On Sun, 5 Jun 2011, Richard Riley wrote: Why do you feel FB should support some antiquated browser that doesnt support any of the newer technoogies which enable security and more advanced client side rendering? I don't. I just don't want them to lock out my browser just because they don't su