Re: [PHPTAL] Re: PHPTAL Digest, Vol 39, Issue 13
Patrick, are you developer of PHPTAL or not?
Anton
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I love PHPTAL, and the self documentation thread going on is a very
interesting idea. The requirement that brought up self-documentation
seems like a development environment issue though, The development
environment issue seems odd to me because I would think that the core
variables needed would be made available by Development. If Design
needs some variables that Devel needs to know about then a simple
intermediate layer would let Design do their own
$template_obj-set('thevar', thevalue); But if the code is nicely
segmented then some designated member of Design should be able to add
to the PHP code that is loading the template directly (ideally, anyone
on Design if the code is locked down and versioned).
I'm not poo-poo'ing the self-documentation idea, I'm just sick of
Smarty and I know PHPTAL can become the de facto PHP standard if
development of PHPTAL, in the short term, were geared more towards
marketing bullet points that can be proudly displayed on a big, pretty
banner on a web page. So I'd like to see some awesome effort (yes,
I'm talking to myself as well) towards things like memcached
integration, Eclipse/editor plugins, get rally slick with the
trigger and format systems, and even a geeky effort to do an extended
promotional push (yes, I'm mentioning a project that doesn't
necessarily involve coding) because, admit it, PHPTAL was there at
1.18 so it's ready to get a little promotion and that means people
coordinating a push.
I'm seeing PHPTAL at a tipping point. I wasn't able to get PHPTAL
into many environments in the last couple years because big, fat, ugly
Smarty was sitting in the templates directories already. PHPTAL has
awesome core features, is better than fast enough, and has a great
lookin' future so it's not hard to pitch it when I can get a chance to
list off the coolness of it. I, and others, will get more of a chance
to pitch it if there were just a few more..I hate to say this
but..enterprise features that make it more known about to higher
level Development leads. It's true though.
Hew
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1. Re: automated documentation for templates? (Kornel Lesinski)
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Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:32:04 +0100
From: Kornel Lesinski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHPTAL] automated documentation for templates?
To: Template Attribute Language for PHP
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 10:19:18 +0100, Iván -DrSlump- Montes
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With something like this the comment won't show up
tal:comment tal:replace=null!--
Comment: Here is a comment which won't show up in the generated HTML
--/tal:comment
any element can have tal:comment attribute.
li tal:comment=won't be in HTML /
and it's possible to register your own attribute or namespace in PHPTAL,
so you could have
li my:documentation=... /
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regards, Kornel
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[PHPTAL] Multiple conditions
Hi, guys. How can I specify multiple conditions using AND logical operator and php: for one of the parts? I'm trying this but does not works: tal:condition=exists: products AND php:count(products) == 0 Thanks, Anton ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] Re: developer of PHPTAL or not
I agree about 'marketing friendly' too. PHPTAL guys, lets improve on this part. I'll help doing my best for this task. Anton On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Iván -DrSlump- Montes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been trying to push for PHPTAL use in several projects in the last years but I haven't been very successful. I ended up writing my own version from scratch a couple of months ago, leveraging new PHP 5.3 features and the bundled XML parsers + Tidy for legacy templates. The main point in implementing my own version was to make it extremely modular to support custom storage (file, string, pdo...), easily extendable namespaces, tales modifiers, pre/post filters and code generation in other languages besides PHP (Javascript). While PHPTAL supports most of that stuff it's showing its age and doesn't makes use of modern PHP's OO features. That's why I target 5.3, so I can tell management that the library is using 'latests technology' and is easily hookable into existing frameworks like ZF or Symfony. Using a BSD like license was also required in some projects. As for integration with IDEs, being an XML format I guess the only thing needed is to implement a DTD and a RelaxNG schema to cover most editors. I also agree on that it needs to be more 'marketting friendly', the home page is an invaluable resource given that the manual is quite complete but it does not sale the product. And a section with tips and tricks (zebra rows, working with javascript, ...) would also help a lot newcomers. Iván On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Patrick Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anton, yes I am a developer of PHPTAL but I'm not on the PHTPAL developer list. My modifications have been specific to the company I was implementing it for but I've made more general modifications along the way, like some memcached/compiled templates trickery I used at the last place I did a gig for, and I'm ready to make a formal contribution so the PHPTAL Developers can tell me what's up/what they think. But even if my own contributions get shot down I'd like to see development of PHPTAL geared towards the people I have to pitch to: CTOs, IT Managers, Directors/Producers of Internet Programming, etc. Just for a while anyways, just until there's undeniable awareness of PHPTAL in that segment of IT personnel. I think it's only a matter of adding and promoting a few more enterprise features to the project (I really, rally hate that enterprise term but...you probably know what I mean when I say it so that's why I'm using it). I've probably got another couple of months before I get up to speed on the latest version of PHPTAL and then implement the memcached thingy I did. Hopefully I'm an official PHPTAL developer at that point. But do you get what I'm saying about the direction of development in the short term? It's just that I know too many CTO types that have actually heard of Smarty but are baffled by this new-fangled PHPTAL stuff, and they aren't even keen on hearing about it until I start sneaking in comments like, See, that problem just simply doesn't ever happen when you use PHPTAL, or We wouldn't worry about that bottleneck if we had something like PHPTAL's system. Know what I mean? Hew ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] Multiple conditions
PHPTAL rewrites code in php: expressions to use TAL variables, so it will work fine. Please can you explain a bit more about this? How it works? On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Kornel Lesinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 17:36:34 +0100, Anton Andrievskij [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. But then php will check if real products variable exists but not tal-object's product property? PHPTAL rewrites code in php: expressions to use TAL variables, so it will work fine. php:isset(var) is equivalent to exists:var (but not in more complex case of exists:var/prop - then you're out of luck ;) 2. Why it is bad idea to have some logical operands in PHPTAL then? It isn't. It's a bit of syntax that's missing from plain TAL. -- regards, Kornel ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] Re: PHPTAL Digest, Vol 39, Issue 13
I think it is better to get new developers with new programming logic to use
PHPTAL. Then you will have more strong and professional community. Smarty
must go to the syncope together with its old-type programmers.
As for me - I never used Smarty because I found it ugly and stupid the first
time I opened their features list.
Anton
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Kornel Lesinski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 15:29:10 +0100, Patrick Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'm seeing PHPTAL at a tipping point. I wasn't able to get PHPTAL
into many environments in the last couple years because big, fat, ugly
Smarty was sitting in the templates directories already.
Perhaps writing Smarty → PHPTAL converter would help here? (this is
challenging project as it requires figuring out what all kinds of crazy
smarty-html mixes are supposed to do, e.g. {if}s around attributes).
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regards, Kornel
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[PHPTAL] Error with LINK tag
Hi. I'm trying to build RSS using PHPTAL. I just noticed about very strange problem... link tal:content=item/link http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/news/2003/news-starcity.asp/link produces link / This does not work exactly with LINK tag. If I cahgne link to linkItem - it works. Anton ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] Error with LINK tag
Thanks for this help. I'm realising both RSS and ATOM, sure. Anton On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Kornel Lesinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22 May 2008, at 07:34, Anton Andrievskij wrote: I'm trying to build RSS using PHPTAL. I just noticed about very strange problem... link tal:content=item/linkhttp://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/news/ 2003/news-starcity.asp/link produces link / This does not work exactly with LINK tag. If I cahgne link to linkItem - it works. By default PHPTAL works in XHTML mode which follows suggestions in Appendix C of XHTML specification (one of which is using self-closing tags for link/, meta/, img/). To disable this, switch PHPTAL to pure XML behaviour: $phptal-setOutputMode(PHPTAL::XML); BTW: Atom feed format is much better :) -- regards, Kornel ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
[PHPTAL] Using PHPTAL with index.php?page=... thing
Hi, PHPTAL users. (Sorry for my bad English as I'm from Ukraine) I write this letter to ask about what the best idea about how to use the PHPTAL engine with the standard PHP site engine technology like this: www.mysite.com/index.php?page=login www.mysite.com/index.php?page=faq www.mysite.com/index.php?page=subscrib and so on... I'm going to build index.html template and run it from index.php page, but then I have different code to be executed on different pages like login.php, faq.php, subscribe.php and so on. So I have to have index.html, login.html, faq.html and subscrib.htmltemplates, but also I want to have index.php, faq.php, subscrib.php pages with some code to be executed. How can I join such things together? I'm really waiting for any answer or advice and any comments may help. Thanks in advance, Anton Andriyevskyy ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] JavaScript arrays using PHPTAL
Ok, so the idea is to build data in the PHP, then simply past it to the script using tal:content. Thanks. On Jan 21, 2008 1:08 PM, Christoph Frick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 12:43:21PM +0200, Anton Andrievskij wrote: I have to fill JavaScript array using PHPTAL attributes. Whether I can use some span ...tal-attributes here../span inside script/script construction? Example: script language=JavaScript items = array( span ..PHPTAL loop here... span tal:replace ...writing item values to fill JavaScript array.../span /span ) /script If I can't do so, have you any idea about how to do it? you can do so. but IE can not cope with trailing ``,``; so you have to add something like: span tal:condition=not:repeat/item/end, /span and beside that: why not write method, that returns the data directly? or a phptal_tales_something formatter? -- cu ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] Using PHPTAL with index.php?page=... thing
Thanks, I'll read.
Anton
On Jan 21, 2008 1:39 PM, Levi Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I ithink you might be looking for something like this:
http://www.phpmvc.net/docs/guides/guidesIdx.php?doc=adv-pg-layout-tal
On Jan 21, 2008 6:32 AM, Anton Andrievskij [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, you told the same thing but in shortest and more simple words.
Thanks you.
PHPTAL works best if you design your application using MVC pattern
Where can I read professional comments and how it works?
Thanks,
Anton
On Jan 21, 2008 1:30 PM, Anton Andrievskij [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, I found some idea about how to solve my problem.
The method is very easy and applicable to use both PHPTAL and PHP CMS
engine technology
described in my first letter (which is question).
The idea is to have only one index.html template with the site layout,
and then to have different
login.html, faq.html, subscribe.html (and so on) layouts to insert
into index.html layout.
Take into account that I do not want to rewrite site layout in all
templates, I want to have it only in index.html.
So I build index.html, and then I build some library with macroses for
each page. I'm planning to use them then
using metal:use-macro attribute.
So the steps are:
1. Create index.html template for page layout (navigation, news
and so on) and templates for each page using metal:define-macro for
each
page
2. Create $template = new PHPTAL(index.html) in your index.phpfile
and define variables in $template to use to render site's layout
3. Define something like $template-page and use it in
metal:use-macro tag to insert specific page content
4. Create faq.php, login.php and other files so you will add
specific $template-pagespecificvariable1,
$template-pagespecificvariable2
(...) values
5. Use specific variable values in specific macroses.
6. In index.php include specific pageX.php (index.php?page=pageX).
So your pageX will add specific variable values to the $template
7. Render page using $template object
Any comments may help to improve the idea.
Anton
On Jan 21, 2008 1:07 PM, Levi Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, phptal should only be used for the presentation of the
data.
your controller and models, should do most of the work you want.
Here is a snippet of my index.php aka navigation controller:
*...
*if (isset($__xml_attributes['redirect'])){
print header(Location:
{$__xml_attributes['redirect']});
exit;
} else if (isset($__xml_attributes['execute'])) {
$benchmark-start('loading-sub-controller-section');
include_once(controllers/{$__xml_attributes['execute']}.php);
$benchmark-stop('loading-sub-controller-section');
}
*...
*Nevermind the benchmark stuff, I like to know how long everything
takes to run.
On Jan 21, 2008 5:27 AM, Anton Andrievskij [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Thanks you; I got your idea, but it seems that I can't execute
PHP scripts from templates using PHPTAL (?)
Anton
On Jan 21, 2008 12:13 PM, Levi Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sorry, forgot to change the email, I was sending this from.
Read below:
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Date: Jan 21, 2008 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: [PHPTAL] Using PHPTAL with index.php?page=...
thing
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Hmm, kind of sounds like the system I built. I have a
site-controller.xml file:
site-controller
*...*
warning-page use-page=warning-page.xhtml
execute=display-page record-page=true /
send-to template-id=1
page alias=main-page use-page=
main-page.xhtml execute=main-page record-page=true /
page alias=join-page use-layout=
join-page.xhtml execute=join-page record-page=true
*...*
/send-to
/site-controller
My system, I can have multiple templates, identified by the
template-id, use-page, and use-layout, this just tell me what
page view to
use, and the execute attribute tells me what php file to execute,
display-page is a generic display script. The record-page
attribute,
defines if I should record traffic information for that page or
not.
My directory structure looks like this:
/www/sites/mysite.com/application--
usually the controller resides here index.php
/www/sites/mysite.com/application/controllers
