Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-29 Thread Guido Stepken
You guys haven't read or understood carefully. I said, that i have not found any evidence to distrust IBM or to think, that IBM would be sitting in the NSA boat. IBM, much earlier than other companies, did open source everything, Power firmware included: https://github.com/open-power On the

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-28 Thread rick
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:57 -04:00, andr...@itship.ch wrote: > On 28.04.20 22:53, Guido Stepken wrote: > > > > (Blathering removed.) > > You generalize too broadly in one sentence and then contradict > yourself the next. ^^ This. ^^ -- UNSUBSCRIBE:

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-28 Thread Guido Stepken
"gcc -fanalyzer" will fundamentally change safety of C programs, such as Linux, GNOME, DQlite (distributed SQLite), Cython, Python, Crystal, Ruby, NIM, ZIG, Vala/Genie ... but also the C compiled version of PicoLisp ... https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2020/03/26/static-analysis-in-gcc-10/

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-28 Thread Guido Stepken
I think, it's decided now, that China is going to remove US hardware, US software and US protocols. In fact, US software stacks, especially those Open Source by Apache, Linux, .. "Foundations" have become a *huge pile of shit*: *Billions lines of code, millions of bugs, thousands of NSA

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-28 Thread Edgaras Šeputis
Now you seriously smoking something. China's bullshit new IP was not accepted by anyone, no one wants their authoritarian extensions, and say whatever you want about US (and one can say a lot of shit about them and be quite correct), US is still millions of miles better than China and if you are

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-27 Thread Wilhelm Fitzpatrick
China is changing gears, decoupling from TCP/IP protocol. Means: USA becoming isolated. It's a 320 million people state, making just 5% of global population. https://cntechpost.com/2020/03/30/huawei-aims-to-reshape-internet-with-protocol-called-new-ip/ China certainly has long wanted to

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-27 Thread Guido Stepken
Seems, you haven't the slightest idea, what's going on in world: China is changing gears, decoupling from TCP/IP protocol. Means: USA becoming isolated. It's a 320 million people state, making just 5% of global population.

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-27 Thread Danilo Kordic
Gudo Stepken: > [...] ""Talk is cheap, show me the code."" -- Linus Torvald -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-20 Thread Guido Stepken
Am Sonntag, 19. April 2020 schrieb Tomas Hlavaty : > Hi Guido, > > Guido Stepken writes: >> Using US software stacks, even if open source and under a free license are >> not tolerable. For any nation, for any kind of project. >> >> US Cloud Act, Patriot Act, by law, force US companies as well US

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-20 Thread Guido Stepken
Am Sonntag, 19. April 2020 schrieb Tomas Hlavaty : > Guido Stepken writes: >> Picolisp, thanks to Alex' brilliant ideas, behind the scenes, serves as >> prototype of a new kind of "minimalistic, highly efficiency" software >> strategy within the EU. Goal is: Back to the roots, small modules,

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
> On Apr 20, 2020, at 5:07, Guido Stepken wrote: > > And what about Apple buying and removing Open Sourced FoundationDB from > Internet? > > "In March 2015 the FoundationDB Community site was updated to state that the > company had changed directions and would no longer be offering

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Jeronimo Pellegrini
On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:11:07PM +0200, Tomas Hlavaty wrote: > thanks for the links You're welcome! I thought I'd add other links, but it was laready too long a message. (Links to books and pages showing the intimate reltionship of Google and NSA; the episode when Microsoft spied on Brazilian

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
thanks for the links > With nuclear energy, there came a requirement for more > authoritarianism, stronger vertical power structures. Why? Because > the potential for damage is huge. See, for example, the radioactive > boy scout, David Hahn [6]. I do recall that there was some similar >

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
Guido Stepken writes: > Well, perhaps you could find a few papers about "Frank" at Viewpoint > Research homepage. Bert Freudenberg, Ian Piumarta, Alan Kay certainly have > the full "Frank" code. I might have heard something about that research. Probably related to that concise vector graphics

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
Tomas Hlavaty writes: > Guido Stepken writes: >> Using US software stacks, even if open source and under a free license are >> not tolerable. For any nation, for any kind of project. > Where can I learn more about your work? probably here: https://stepken.blogspot.com/ hidden behind

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Guido Stepken
What about US sanctions against China about Huawei using free, open sourced Android? What about USA advising Germany, Switzerland to stop buying gas from Russia - see Grenell's letters to industry: http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-12/24/c_138655403.htm (B.t.w.: Grenell's now commander in

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Jeronimo Pellegrini
[ sorry for duplacates; I've realized I have sent this from a wrong From: address, so I'm sending it again ] Hello. I don't usually write here, but I believe this is important. I agree that the tone used initialy by Guido was really bad. But there are strong arguments that lead to what he

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Guido Stepken
Well, perhaps you could find a few papers about "Frank" at Viewpoint Research homepage. Bert Freudenberg, Ian Piumarta, Alan Kay certainly have the full "Frank" code. But this is not the point. The point is, that MetaCola was a code generator, where you can implement whole programming languages

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
Jo-To Schäg writes: > However the PicoLisp community does not like to solve problems for > other people. Especially if it is motivated for political reasons. > Do not expect Alex to spend his time on satisfying your paranoia or > political motivations. Where I live we had freedom of movement

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
Alexander Burger writes: > In case of pil21, where is the problem? > llvm assembler to convert to machine code ^ I think he is pointing here > Do you seriously believe the libraries contain backdoors? I don't think he said anything like that. My understanding is that he said that llvm is

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
Guido Stepken writes: > That group implemented a whole operating system in MetaCola language within > 20.000 lines of code only. GUI, TrueType Fonts, mouse, keyboard driver ... > everything included, called "Frank" for Frank - enstein. interesting, where can I learn more? -- UNSUBSCRIBE:

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Guido Stepken
Ok. Fine. Then let's look, how many lines it needs to write your own compiler. Means: Source language -> Windows .exe binary. What do you think, how many lines are needed to generate 64-bit Machine code COFF executable format for Intel, AMD Ryzen, Thread Ripper, EPYC on Windows? I can tell you:

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
Guido Stepken writes: > Picolisp, thanks to Alex' brilliant ideas, behind the scenes, serves as > prototype of a new kind of "minimalistic, highly efficiency" software > strategy within the EU. Goal is: Back to the roots, small modules, security > review everywhere, minimal hardware requirements,

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
Hi Guido, Guido Stepken writes: > Using US software stacks, even if open source and under a free license are > not tolerable. For any nation, for any kind of project. > > US Cloud Act, Patriot Act, by law, force US companies as well US > organisations in general, such as Linux Foundation as well

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
andr...@itship.ch writes: > I have to disagree with your tone. I empathise with his tone. This issue is frustrating. Just this week a friend of mine was told by her employer to install whatsapp so that they can keep her updated about the suspended work due to the pandemic. I told her about the

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Jo-To Schäg
Dear Guido, all our time on earth is limited. We all got our own priorities. I think the PicoLisp community gladly spends time teaching people. Even multiple times. However the PicoLisp community does not like to solve problems for other people. Especially if it is motivated for political

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Guido Stepken
Alex, this is not the point. One day LLVM will inject trojan code, because US government, by law, tells them to do so! With Cloud Act and Patriot Act US government can advise any US company or organisation to implement evil code. Can you do a full code review at every update coming for LLVM? I

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Guido Stepken
8k ... well, looks like totally bloated ... somebody implemented Ian Piumarta's Lysp in Free Pascal, using 192 lines of code only. I haven't tested, but should come out at under 4k, one memory page for the binary. https://github.com/tangentstorm/lysp Finally, to execute Lisp like code, you only

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread George-Phillip Orais
Hi Alex, Indeed! How can I missed that hehe if I remember correctly, the character for commenting was not yet ‘#’ right? So cool!! thanks for reminding me ;) BR, Geo On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 6:37 PM Alexander Burger wrote: > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 06:10:25PM +0900, George-Phillip Orais

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Alexander Burger
On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 06:10:25PM +0900, George-Phillip Orais wrote: > You mentioned nokolisp, I also tried that and from what I remember the > source code was only runnable on an old DOS? Then 8kLisp is even better: https://software-lab.de/8kLisp.tgz It run on CP/M, and the whole

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Guido, > Look at LLVM generated bloat and compare with Nokolisp. Less is more!!! In > terms of size as well as of security. True, LLVM is huge (as is gcc, and other equivalent systems), but this is irrelevant because I *use* it only to translate *my* code. The generated pil21 'picolisp'

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread George-Phillip Orais
Hi Guido, You mentioned nokolisp, I also tried that and from what I remember the source code was only runnable on an old DOS? One thing that was cool about nokolisp was it was intended for Nokie phones right? How about Lisp dialects made in Japan? Im interested to hear your thoughts about them

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Guido Stepken
Am Sonntag, 19. April 2020 schrieb : Picolisp, thanks to Alex' brilliant ideas, behind the scenes, serves as prototype of a new kind of "minimalistic, highly efficiency" software strategy within the EU. Goal is: Back to the roots, small modules, security review everywhere, minimal hardware

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Guido Stepken
Hi Alex! I have enough proof, that USA is weaponizing its whole developer community to spy upon us. Facebook SDK for Android, in fact, not only is a highly sophisticated library for programming Android Apps, but also a spy tool, that copies all contents, your business contacts, ... onto facebook

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-19 Thread Alexander Shendi (Web.DE)
Oh dear, Since you (Guido Stepken) are already ranting about US software stacks (e.g. LLVM), I will take the opportunity to add my 2 Euro-cents. What about your operatjng system? I presume you are using Linux. Have you yet audited the ca. 5 MLoc of code that are the Linux kernel? Other

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-18 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Guido, > Using US software stacks, even if open source and under a free license are > not tolerable. For any nation, for any kind of project. Then no software stack, from anywhere, is tolerable. In case of pil21, where is the problem? I use Lisp to generate LLVM-IR, then the llvm assembler

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-18 Thread George-Phillip Orais
Just for fun: I cannot imagine Guido's email what if Alex will announce that he will stop pil21 and decide to port PicoLisp to WINDOWS and use .NET as official VM ^^ On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 7:24 AM wrote: > Hey Guido! > > While I don't disagree with you in spirit (and I'm sure it's the same

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-18 Thread andreas
Hey Guido! While I don't disagree with you in spirit (and I'm sure it's the same for most  of our community, we're a bunch of purist radicals), I have to disagree with your tone. > And i can assure you: My influence is **much bigger** than you might > think! Stop that, immediately! This is