Re: The many uses of PilMCU

2014-10-13 Thread Heow Goodman
I've started a wiki document:

http://picolisp.com/wiki/?pilMCU

Will flesh it out over the next few days.

- h

On 2014-10-7, 4:36 PM, Christophe Gragnic wrote:
 Hi list !
 
 This thread is meant to collect ideas about PilMCU.
 At least mine (because I need to clean them up a bit)
 and ideas of other PicoLispers (out of curiosity).
 
 Maybe some items will look more like questions like «is it even possible?»!
 (This email took me at least two weeks of careful drafting.)
 
 May this thread help Alex and George to refine their biz-plan!
 
 My ideas are all related to the language I embed in PicoLisp:
 http://microalg.info
 I dream about a small box that would interpret this language and interact
 in several ways with the user (output of course, but input like coding
 the box too,
 as well as typing words or other (gaming) peripherals).
 
 Now I may go in more details. I'm not saying that Alex and George
 may build this box, but could consider enough flexibility and connectivity
 for someone to be able to build this kind of project based on their project
 

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Re: The many uses of PilMCU

2014-10-13 Thread Heow Goodman
My apologies, should have been more verbose.  Now in the wiki:

KEY

The left column denotes price. For instance $100x is 100
TIMES the consumer purchase price.

Similarly the top column denotes efficiency or performance,
as an example 5x slower means 1/5th the speed of a similar
consumer device.This must be based on the context of the
contents, we're not building a 3D graph.

This is because people want to build a variety of devices:

  * 3D goggles
  * mobile phone
  * genetic testing cluster
  * game system
  * wearable

The price and performance of these tasks varies as wildly as our
expectations.  Right now we have no idea how performant it will be or
how much it will cost.  This is where the wiki comes in, to outline
ideas based on which bucket the idea falls into.

- h

On 2014-10-13, 4:53 PM, Jakob Eriksson wrote:
 I don't understand the leftmost column with the dollars.
 
 On 2014-10-13 22:38, Heow Goodman wrote:
 I've started a wiki document:

  http://picolisp.com/wiki/?pilMCU

 Will flesh it out over the next few days.

 - h

 On 2014-10-7, 4:36 PM, Christophe Gragnic wrote:
 Hi list !

 This thread is meant to collect ideas about PilMCU.
 At least mine (because I need to clean them up a bit)
 and ideas of other PicoLispers (out of curiosity).

 Maybe some items will look more like questions like «is it even
 possible?»!
 (This email took me at least two weeks of careful drafting.)

 May this thread help Alex and George to refine their biz-plan!

 My ideas are all related to the language I embed in PicoLisp:
 http://microalg.info
 I dream about a small box that would interpret this language and
 interact
 in several ways with the user (output of course, but input like coding
 the box too,
 as well as typing words or other (gaming) peripherals).

 Now I may go in more details. I'm not saying that Alex and George
 may build this box, but could consider enough flexibility and
 connectivity
 for someone to be able to build this kind of project based on their
 project

 

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Re: pilMCU progress

2014-10-05 Thread Heow Goodman
I haven't been this excited since I was 7 and waiting for Santa.

- h

On 2014-10-5, 3:17 PM, andr...@itship.ch wrote:
 Hi Geo
 
 Great stuff, keep it going! :-)
 
 Hi Everyone!

 Here is the first progress, ttyOut is working great ;) attached is the
 picture, sorry for the mess, will arrange this once my new PC will arrive.

 Next will be ttyIn then EEPROM so that i can load the ROM code using Tera
 Term, more updates to come, cheers!!

 BR,
 Geo


 
 

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Re: Announce: PicoLisp in Hardware (PilMCU)

2014-09-22 Thread Heow Goodman
If we're talking small potatoes, I'm sure there are a number of US
entities (ALU, LispNYC) that would happily front their EIN for a cool
kickstarter.

On 2014-9-22, 5:26 AM, andr...@itship.ch wrote:
 Once more, congratulation! This is awesome!
 I really believe this is/will be huge.
 
 1. kickstarter
 Afaik you need a US tax number to use kickstarter, so either a us citizen
 oder better a us company is necessary. It's possible to do a setup by
 creating a cheap delaware company, I know guys who did it, but its quite a
 bit complex for non-us people.
 So I would recommend using another platform, or even first trying to use
 this mailling list or a custom website to set a crowd project up from
 this.
 Maybe you don't even need a crowdfunding project, if we find enough people
 this way?
 
 2. PilMCU applications
 Beside the wearable/mobile/robotics applications (go for it!), I'm
 personally interested in picolisp server hardware. Maybe producing
 something similiar to Intel NUC
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Unit_of_Computing) ?
 So extendable RAM plus storage plus network plug, and we would have a fine
 little box for all kind of server applications. No OS overhead, no stack
 security issues (heartbleed), just beautiful picolisp.
 This would also allow to produce/sell custom solutions, e.g. put software
 on cheap tiny hardware box, sell the device, similiar to kinko
 (https://kinko.me/the-kinko-project/)
 
 3. OpenSource legitimacy
 About this one I'm not sure, its more a philosophical thing, maybe I got
 it wrong:
 
 With traditional soft- and hardware, there is the problem, that even with
 a copy of the source code of a certain application, we can't be sure that
 the actual running instance of the application uses the same source code
 and didn't get altered by a malware-injecting compiler.
 
 Let's say we have hardware which interprets picolisp directly, and does
 nothing else (which one can proof about a certain piece of hardware).
 And picolisp applicaiton is always readable clear text source code, so
 isn't this actually an instance were we can proof WHAT the hardware and
 software of this thing is doing, even when running?
 
 
 
 Good morning everyone!

 Wow! thanks for all this nice feedback's, a nice way to greet a morning
 weekend :)

 Btw sorry if i cannot individually reply on each topic, but let me share
 my thoughts on this two topic that is recently on the table:
 1. Kickstarter or Indigogo
 2. Verilog source code availability


 1. Actually this is what i suggested to Alex for we  had a customer here
 before that we produced his product from kicksarter. But from what i
 understand, inorder to register our project we need a video to show the
 early progress of the project. Its either we can make a video showing the
 verilog simulator running OR emulator in C running? but i think it would
 be great to show an actual FPGA board running the pilMCU, this option
 would be more attractive right? so my primary goal as of now is to get an
 FPGA board from online and start synthesize the code for the actual FPGA
 hardware. Anyone with experience with FPGA is welcome to provide their
 inputs ;)

 2. This i need to discuss with Alex first. But if you ask me, actually
 there were good points shared here, but i think its still too early too
 release the code for it is still at design stage and as much as possible,
 me and Alex would like to stabilize the core first and also to have a
 robust kit first. If anyone wants to try the machine, as of the moment the
 best way is to run the 'emu' version :) but don't worry, picolisp
 community will surely be the first to have an actual hands-on once the
 actual hardware is ready ;)

 Great weekend everyone, cheers!!

 BR,
 Geo





 On Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:46 AM, Thorsten Jolitz
 tjol...@gmail.com wrote:



 Christophe Gragnic
 christophegrag...@gmail.com writes:

 On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Loyall, David
 david.loy...@nebraska.gov wrote:
 If you sell a FPGA configured to be an open source Lisp CPU, I'll
 buy a few

 Someone on Hacker News: «where's the kickstarter page? I want a few of
 those.»
 I'd buy a few too.

 Thats the idea, I would say: buy the chips and support the project. Give
 them time to prepare a nice kickstarter project. Enjoy the opportunity
 to support a wonderful free software project to become not only a
 technical but an economic success too.

 You ask them to give away their most important 'capital' to the public
 before even starting the business. Not a good advice, really ...

 --
 cheers,
 Thorsten

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