- Original Message -
From: Richard Koolish kool...@alum.mit.edu
Cameras that are half cylinders or whole cylinders, like the
classic oatmeal box cameras have different falloff patterns.
Half cylindrical cameras have a fall off of very close to just Cosine of the
angle, as a result, a
- Original Message -
From: Trent Dowler tdow...@grnco.net
Perhaps I've missed it, but why does the Polaroid film packs produce strong
magenta tones? Could it be improper developing time?
Reciprocity failure.
- Original Message -
From: Becky Ramotowski becks...@cotse.net
If I drill my own pinhole and want the smallest possible hole with the
number 15 needle, do I understand correctly to just get the point
through, then sand the rough edge and that's the end of it?
I'd do 2 more things:
- Original Message -
From: Wally Wolfgang Thoma-Schuermans th...@pandora.be
Shelley,
I think you didn't get Rosanne's earlier posting. This is a technical
discussion and not a chat box. Sorry for being rude,
I have been with this list since almost its inception, the above post does
- Original Message -
From: Wally Wolfgang Thoma-Schuermans th...@pandora.be
Very interesting. I have a Lubitel myself (bought in a second hand shop
in Prague for 10 USD) that I wanted to use for serious 6x6 work, but
it leaks light like hell, so why not transform it. Can you give me
- Original Message -
From: Uptown Gallery mur...@uptowngallery.org
If one set up a 4x5 bellows camera for pinhole with an appropriate pinhole
for double extension (say 300 mm), placed the bellows at 300 mm but used a 4
x 5 filmholder, would that place the worst of the edge falloff
Shelley,
Pinhole photography is in technical aspects not different than glass lens
photography. Focal length, aperture (not aperture size), exposure, angle of
view, light fall off at the edges of film, reciprocity corrections, etc., are
all concepts that function the same whether the lens is a
- Original Message -
From: Tom Lindsay pinhole-...@juno.com
Hi, it's Tom Lindsay here and I need to have those people who know me
send me your e-mail addresses so I can contact you directly. I'm at my
honeys'' house and don't have all the addresses that I would like to
have.
While
- Original Message -
From: bendur...@aol.com
I recently got a copy of the disposible camera handout, thank you very much.
But I was at the gallery where I work the other day, taking a disposible
cameera apart. And one of the security guards dave asked me what I was doing,
when I said I
Andrew,
f/stops progress by a factor of 1.414 which is the square root of 2, therefore,
the numerical value of f/stops double every other stop. If we start at f/11 (we
could have started with any f/stop), the next one is f/16, since they double
every other stop, the progression would go like
- Original Message -
From: Zami Schwartzman zami...@netvision.net.il
the buurs on the oposit side had to be very carefuly treated with no. 400
sandpaper to get a perfect hole . Although not a sraight forward job , I can
get perfect holes as small as 0.05 mm diameter
FYI, such small
300 US bucks for a Polga!!?
Imaging how much a Piana could go for!
Guillermo
(who do know Dianas are not in production anymore)
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From: Bre Pettis pett...@yahoo.com
Question 1
I've got a .013 needle hole and 1#34; from
the hole to the film. I've got it loaded with 400
speed bamp;w film. How long should I try for
an exposure on a sunny day? Am I right in gauging the
f stop at f/77?
- Original Message -
From: Rune Tallaksen tall...@alfanett.no
How do I measure the distance from the filmplane til the pinhole?
Here is what I did to measure the same in my Nikon camera, before I got hold of
the Nikon specs: Make a hole 1/2 or so in the center of your bodycao, mount
In case someone here did not know:
World-renowned wilderness photographer and writer Galen Rowell, and his wife and
business partner Barbara Cushman Rowell, a photographer and writer in her own
right, died early Sunday morning in an airplane crash outside of Bishop, Calif.
- Original Message -
From: Eric S. Theise mat...@cyberwerks.com
And the source online that talks about using silver foil and blackening
that with selenium toner always seemed very elegant to me.
That's Larry Bullis, if memory serves me well. I tried to find a local place
that'd roll
- Original Message -
From: Bre Pettis pett...@yahoo.com
To: Pinhole-Discussion@p at ???
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 4:05 AM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] stereo pinhole
Hi, I'm Bre Pettis out of Seattle and I've become
completely obsessed with pinhole photography. I'm
just
- Original Message -
From: gleh...@mac.com
I'm currently making pinhole pictures on 5x4 film, with a Leonardo
camera. At the moment I scan the negs and print digitally, but for a
bit of a change I'm thinking about contact printing them on Printing out
paper of some kind, maybe
- Original Message -
From: Steve Bell veracity...@earthlink.net
I know another off topic post, but it's kind of on topic, right? i mean,
enlargers are often times used with pinholed negs! anyway, my question is,
can anyone give me some advice regarding enlargers? i'm building a
- Original Message -
From: Fox, Robert r...@aarp.org
Are there any practical reasons to shoot at 4x5 rather than 8x10?
4x5 is more, well, practical: smaller, less costly to operate, easier to carry
and you don't have to get a second mortage to buy an enlarger (if you wanted
larger than
- Original Message -
From: Steve [Eazy E] Bell veracity...@earthlink.net
So here's a question for all of you. I've heard mention of an alternative
process list existing, and i'm wondering if anyone might be able to help me
find it.
Here is how to subscribe:
- Original Message -
From: John Moore jlmoor...@yahoo.com
The pocket comparator (Item No.: L1873D) is $28.50
the reticle insert (Item No.: M1599D) is $12. $50.50
seems like a good deal for an item that can be used
for more than just checking pinhole sizes... of
course, I can't seem
- Original Message -
From: Mark Interrante m...@interwalk.com
Ok, I've a question. I recently saw Martha Casanave's Lenin photos
(http://marthacasanave.com/lenin.html)
and I think they are beautiful. She uses a non-optimial pinhole, and I'd
like to know if people have any idea how much
- Original Message -
From: ROBERTSON,TRAVIS J is-...@womans.com
Thanks for your reply. I am learning about the science of pinhole cameras
and I must tell you my head hurts at times trying to figure it out.
Stop hurting yourself!!, we really don't need to figure out any science, that
- Original Message -
From: ROBERTSON,TRAVIS J is-...@womans.com
I would like to make 16X20 prints (That is I want to put the paper in the
camera) and I'm trying to figure out how large of a pinhole camera I would
need. Any suggestions on how to figure this out?
Travis,
- Original Message -
From: James Noel jim.n...@gcccd.net
What a complicated answer.
Simply put, most film is designed to react to light in a linear fashion
from about 1/2 second to 1/1000 second.
Thanks James, I knew somebody would have a way to explain it in an easier way
than me,
- Original Message -
From: bendur...@aol.com
My names Ben
I have been a member of the discussion group for a few weeks, but have never
posted anything,
I just wondered, what is the diameter of the 20 foot tube. Also I dont
understand what reciprocity is.
Cheers Ben
Ben, phographically
- Original Message -
From: ROBERTSON,TRAVIS J is-...@womans.com
I have a passion for photography, but the cost of large format cameras and
enlargers prevent me from doing the work I want to. Today I found your web
site and I have that excited feeling about pinhole photography. You
- Original Message -
From: Margaret Crowe winr...@hotmail.com
Hi all, I hope I'm posting this in the right place!! Just wondering if
anyone can explain to me why it's not possible to take photos with my
pinhole using flashes (strobe)? MARGARET
I am afraid that can't be explained, as
- Original Message -
From: Jean Hanson jhan...@pon.net
I have the math on how to figure the ideal size of the pinholes but how
do you actually measure them. Does everyone but me have a microscope, a
micrometer? what? Jean
Risking being redundant with some of the many good
- Original Message -
From: Shannon Stoney shannonsto...@earthlink.net
What do you call this sort of shareware and how would you find it on the
internet?
A search with the argument best curve fit shareware or just curve fit would
do it. In the past I have used one called wincurvefit.
- Original Message -
From: Shannon Stoney shannonsto...@earthlink.net
So, I guess it doesn't really matter WHY this is so, as long as I can figure
out HOW to make a negative that works for me.
That's correct! My intention was not to over analize the WHY but to just point
to you there
Shannon,
Numerically, an EI of 1000 may seem as a big jump from ISO-400,
but it is really just 1 1/3 stops faster, which probably can be accounted by a
combination of factors like: how thin you want the negatives low zones to be,
a bit of anomalies in the reciprocity correction (I
- Original Message -
From: ROGER ARMOUR ro...@rharmour.fsnet.co.uk
I am still using this camera ( camera box made from black card and attached
to a cartridge of 126 film - increasingly difficult to get hold of! The
pinhole is made from aluminium pastry foil) despite manual wind-on
- Original Message -
From: Jim Kosinski mer...@paintcancamera.com
it makes any difference... does anyone know the range of
wavelengths that bw paper is sensitive to?
Both Ilford and Kodak have spectral sensitivity curves for their papers in their
respective sites.
Guillermo
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From: Eric S. Theise mat...@cyberwerks.com
Are there any 4 x 5 enlargers that will handle the full negative or do I
need to go to a larger size?
Yes, a 5x7 would do what you want. A cheap option, if you can find one, is an
old 5x7 Elwood
Guillermo
I was reading my own post and noticed a mistake when converting inches to
millimeters. I used a factor of 24.5 when in fact an inch is equal to 25.4
millimeters. The time to move across I talked about, therefore, should be:
Time to move across film: (5 x 25.4) / 120 = 1.058333 seconds
Not a
- Original Message -
From: Uptown Gallery mur...@uptowngallery.org
This may be off topic, but the breadth of knowledge within this group may
provide me an answer (off list , if necessary).
I would like to understand (actually, analyze) the operation of a focal
plane shutter, for the
- Original Message -
From: lwilkin...@schilli.com
I'm struggling to understand the relationship between film and photographic
paper. Specifically, calculating exposures, etc.
Where film may be considered ASA 100, paper may be considered P100.
Obviously, it's not the same 100...but
- Original Message -
From: michael_georg...@trendmicro.com
Pinhole can be about sharpness, as well as softness... it's also about time,
and light, perspective, art, science, chance and fun!
In the very far past I've been nailed in this list because of my interest on
the scientific and
- Original Message -
From: Tom Harvey harv...@aracnet.com
It's the very, very that I wonder about.
I believe that Zernike Au has said that he used the smaller aperture
because tested out sharper.
Aside from lengthening exposure times, would using small size
pinholes on cameras
- Original Message -
From: Maria Grant mgran...@san.rr.com
Were can I buy a film transport system for 120 film? I hope I'm using the
correct terminology.
I've seen cameras made from coffee and tea containers with film
transports,but can't seem
to find this item,would I have to find
- Original Message -
From: James Kellar pinh...@jameskellar.com
I know this is not on the subject of pinhole or even photography, but I
just couldn't help myself. Goto
http://207.67.219.101/objective/propaganda.html, and then scroll down to
Apple Macintosh:
This is kind of
- Original Message -
From: Adam Leiferman leiferm...@kimball.k12.sd.us
First I shone the UV laser on a front-surface convex mirror.
I then made pinhole lenses specifically constructed to create the
best images for the wavelength of light that I was using.
The pinhole's size was
Liav,
Check the darkrooms at Gallery44 in downtown Toronto, here is their
URL: http://www.gallery44.org
Guillermo
- Original Message -
From: Liav Koren yu257...@yorku.ca
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:01 PM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion]
- Original Message -
From: Sarah Heidt heidtsa...@hotmail.com
My younger brother does woodworking and has generously offered to build me a
large format pinhole camera. He even bought a set of micro drills for his
Dremel (are these small enough, I don't know!)
Nothing like the love of
- Original Message -
From: Richard Heather rheat...@slonet.org
neither of us are right. 24x36x36 =31,104mm2
8(x2.5)x 10(2.5) = 50,000 mm2
Richard Heather
Richard,
Remember that the actual length of film allows for 36 frames +
leading and trailing portions of film
- Original Message -
From: Matti Koskinen mjkos...@koti.soon.fi
I have Corel PhotoPaint) I use only Linux and Gimp, win98 crashes almost
every time I try to scan.
You're doing the plugging but not the praying, obviously. Remember W98 is
plug and PRAY!
I placed a #0 filter behind my
- Original Message -
From: Greg Newberry grnewbe...@qwest.net
Well, I've been going along happy as a clam designing my 8x10 pinhole camera
when all of a sudden I realized that if I shoot sheet film, I'm going to
have to develop it! So I know you can do it in a tray, and I've seen the
- Original Message -
From: Andy Schmitt aschm...@warwick.net
or build a developing tube or 2..then you just load roll...sort of.. 8o)
andy
That's another possibility. Here is a link to a design I have read is
effective:
http://people.smu.edu/rmonagha/brontube.html
Guillermo
You are in Suomi, isn't that right Matti? I visited Turku (University of Turku)
and Helsinki, way back in the spring of 1978, Finish people were very friendly
and kind to us every where we went and stayed.
Anyway, there are daylight tanks that allow you to process 4x5 film without a
darkroom,
- Original Message -
From: Matti Koskinen mjkos...@koti.soon.fi
I finally got my wooden 4x5 camera lightproof and taken few test shots
using paper negatives.
Problem with paper negative seems to be the total lack of details in the
sky, getting the sky with some clouds make the
- Original Message -
From: Katharine Thayer ktha...@pacifier.com
Just remember, if you're using an 8x10 filmholder, that 8x10 paper is
bigger than 8x10 film, and you'll need to shave a little off each side
of the paper to make it slide into the holder smoothly.
Katharine Thayer
Try
- Original Message -
From: Joe Rollins jroll...@starband.net
GlacierI am trying to build a pinhole camera to use to take photos of human
subjects. I need to get the time down to under 10 or 15 seconds. I shoot
with Ilford MGIV. What focal length and diameter pinhole would be sugested.
- Original Message -
From: Zernike Au zern...@zeroimage.com
If you want to control the circular image to 2' or 3 (the range is quite
big!), the main factor is
the thickness of the front panel of your camera that hold the pinhole and
where you mount the pinhole, and also the size of
Jeff,
You could probably find Aluminum oxide at a science store or if there is
one in your location, at a lapidary supplier. You could also use the rubbing
paste auto painters use to polish cars after they have been painted.
A better idea would probably be to thin the material by
- Original Message -
From: Thom Mitchell tjmi...@ix.netcom.com
Would then a thick material create a smaller circle with the same image
quality (or not) as a thinner material? These may be simple questions but I
want to be able to control the size of my image circle, either through
- Original Message -
From: Jim Kosinski mer...@paintcancamera.com
http://directory.google.com/Top/Science/Astronomy/Amateur/Astr
ophotography_and_CCD_Imaging/
Jim K
Jim, your link broke down, this happens to me all the time. I have found this
site in which you paste a long link
- Original Message -
From: Derek Clarke dere...@cix.co.uk
TBH these dual-use flatbeds are still better for opaque material than
transparency use, especially 35mm.
So they are still inferior to a true film scanner at the same scan resolution.
Also the transparency illuminator is
- Original Message -
From: Philippe Monnoyer monno...@imec.be
I still have to read the interesting paper.
So if my optimal pinhole diameter for a 100 mm FL is 0.36 mm, this means
that my 24x30 cm film will record an image where every point will have a
blur of 0.36 mm. So it is
- Original Message -
From: Philippe Monnoyer monno...@imec.be
Image point radius = 0.61 * light_wavelength * focal_length /
pinhole_radius
Indeed, according to that equation, the bigger the pinhole, the smaller
the Image point radius and the sharpest the image.
Mea culpa! I admit.
Hello photoian at earthlink.net:
Trying to answer all your questions, after Richard answers would be redundant.
I will though, answer a question Richard did not addressed:
- Original Message -
From: {USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME} photo...@earthlink.net
The formula is pinhole(in) =
- Original Message -
From: cfowler cfowl...@tampabay.rr.com
I am getting ready to order the zero 6x9 multiformat pinhole
camera, has anybody used this camera's ? is it worth 200 Bucks ?
I don't own the camera, but I've seen it and -as I have said before, the darn
thing is a beauty, no
- Original Message -
From: Christian Harkness chris.harkn...@eudoramail.com
Well, I once used a liguid detergent for dishwashers instead of Photo-Flo it
throughly ruined my negatives, much worse then if I had not used Photo-Flo.
so
Did you use a lot? You just need a drop on a
- Original Message -
From: Tim Midkiff ku...@vci.net
This may be a bit off topic but, is there a readily available
subsitute for kodak photo-flo? I happen to be at home today and need to
develop some images, both pinhole and otherwise, and i'm being plagued
with spots and such.
- Original Message -
From: Liav Koren yu257...@yorku.ca
This makes me wonder: has anyone else also been working with a converted
disposable and 35mm film? It took me a few tries to figure it out, but
once I learned to chop the thing in half properly, I got a camera that I'm
pretty
- Original Message -
From: Gordon J. Holtslander hol...@duke.usask.ca
Its called a parking timer. Its a keychain with a clock and countdown
timer. You can set it to time a certain interval of time. when the time
has expired it will beep. Cost $6.00 Canadian (thats $0.25 US)
Allow me just 1 more try, pls:
corrected
time
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Told you they were axis of evil, can't get the chart to format correctly, here
is the last try:
corrected
time
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** Resending the message, hopefully the ascii chart won't break up this
time.
- Original Message -
From: I Zarkov dr_izar...@hotmail.com
Unfortunately the Kodak product search engine gives nothing for the topic
of 'reciprocity'which is too bad because they once had a very good chart
- Original Message -
From: I Zarkov dr_izar...@hotmail.com
Unfortunately the Kodak product search engine gives nothing for the topic
of
'reciprocity'which is too bad because they once had a very good chart in
an
old professional products catalogue that gave a good long and short range
Try this values:
Indicated,Corrected
10,15
12,21
15,27
20,35
25,47
30,62
40,1:24
50,1:50
60,2:25
80,3:10
100,4:10
Guillermo
- Original Message -
From: pete eckert peteeck...@mindspring.com
Guy,
You are right it is a zone plate shot.
No doubt Guy, you are a pinhole detective par excellence.
Congrat, BTW, Guy, on Canada winning the ice hockey GOLD medal.
Guillermo
- Original Message -
From: Sally Bowker bowk...@uwstout.edu
Saloon is a great photo, evocative and inviting. Thank you for
showing us! But I had to scroll to see the whole work, can you make
it to fit on a monitor?
You probably have a under 17 monitor.
That image is in progressive
- Original Message -
From: Joao Ribeiro jribe...@greco.com.br
The idea is producing a kind of a triptico (I don't know the name in
English).
Triptych
- Original Message -
From: ISHIKAWA Masaru mishik...@microhouse.co.jp
I don't know how the angle of image cone is detemined. But I think
it is equal to 2xArctan(d/t) where d is a diameter of pinhole, t is
the thickness of pinhole-material.
Masaru,
You are right, that is
- Original Message -
From: Richard Heather rheat...@slonet.org
Guillermo, do you want a hung bao?
Richard Heather (in-law to the Lo clan)
Yes I do, I want a pinhole hung bao!
Guillermo
- Original Message -
From: Joao Ribeiro jribe...@greco.com.br
Now, what I intend to do is to place 2 sheets of film not at the end of
the camera, but at the walls that are perpendicular to the pinhole
plane. I imagine that the light absorbed by these walls will also form
images,
- Original Message -
From: ISHIKAWA Masaru mishik...@microhouse.co.jp
Celebrating Chinese New Year, a Year of Horse.
(Unfortunately Asian not always understand Chinese. )
Kung hei fat choi is virtually universal these days, no need to be Asian
Cantonese speaking person to know that's
- Original Message -
From: Joao Ribeiro jribe...@greco.com.br
When the light enters the camera, it enters in an angle the depends on
the pinhole diameter or this angle is constant?
Imagine I have a pinhole of 0.5 mm. If I make a bellows camera and set
it to say 50 mm focal distance
Kung hei fat choi !! to all our Asian friends in this list.
Guillermo
- Original Message -
From: jaugusta jaugu...@adelphia.net
Hello! Newbie here, just getting my first posts all of which ask why no
one's posting! Is this a joke?
Yes and no! This list goes into remission for couple of days from time to
time. Usually hapens around holidays, I guess
- Original Message -
From: Dennis Johanson dennis.johan...@telia.com
since I believe that a thin pinhole cap makes more sharp pictures.
The pinhole itself does not need to be made on the cap (unless that's what
you want). The pinhole can be made using thin material (0.002 shim stock
for
- Original Message -
From: Dennis Johanson dennis.johan...@telia.com
This week I got an old SLR back from service, and I have a set of
extension
tubes for it. An idea came to my mind, namely to use one or more of the
extension tubes with a pinholed lens cap or aluminum foil at
- Original Message -
From: Uptown Gallery mur...@uptowngallery.org
I can't read Portugese, so I didn't know if this was intended for the
pinhole list, but I did find the word 'pinhole' at the end of Cleber's
posting
I don't read Portuguese either but being somewhat similar to Spanish
- Original Message -
From: Lisa Reddig l...@julianrichards.com
There have been a number of well known photographers who have done sneeky
pictures like that. (My favorite Harry Callahan to name one) The
dillemma
as always with these kinds of things is the moral one. I know legally
- Original Message -
From: Tim Midkiff ku...@vci.net
Where I need help in getting started is finding information on
making-buying-using, a cap in an old minolta slr I have. This would
allow me to process film in the darkroom at the university I have
access to. BTW, i'm a 37 year
- Original Message -
From: Markus Birsfelder b...@freesurf.ch
I used my Nikon camera with a body cap fitted with a
hole approx. 2.5 mm. With a focal length (distance of hole to filmplane)
of approx. 50 mm,
Are you sure it was 2.5mm? That pinhole size would be infinity-optimum
for a
- Original Message -
From: Kosinski Family zin...@telenet.net
all this left right up down is a little dyslexic, especially if you can't
see,
I suggest to you that blind persons are probably better at this dyslexic
matters than people with good eye sight. Besides, whether you are able
- Original Message -
From: Bob b...@fatboab.org
Anyway, I've got plans for 5x4 and 10x8 pinhole cameras plus some shims to
make the pinholes from. What I would like to do though is some panoramic
pinholes in a 6x17 sort of format. I'm not the biggest fan of light fall
off at the edges
- Original Message -
From: Guy Glorieux guy.glori...@sympatico.ca
Hi Zernike,
I feel sorry for you on this. It is very disgracefull.
Zernike,
I'd suggest that before you start paying high BSL fees
(BSL=blood sucking lawyers), you should get hold of one of the suspect
- Original Message -
From: Zernike Au zern...@zeroimage.com
I am now looking for a lawyer in the England, any friends from England can
introduce one to me please help.
Go get them cowboy!
Guillermo
- Original Message -
From: Andy Schmitt aschm...@warwick.net
I bought some Kodak Contact 2000 film that requires other than Daylight or
Tungsten enlarger light...pitty 'cause it was cheep...wonder why?
Think I saw itwasn't Clinton Mandela the guy selling it?...may
be not!
- Original Message -
From: Frans van Dijk digdi...@wxs.nl
Since I whould like to share some images with you (one images is a
thousand
words) and get your comment on them, I tried to upload some files however
I
don´s come through.
Can anyone give me some aid. I do have a password, and
--- Gordon J. Holtslander hol...@duke.usask.ca wrote:
I'm going to try making some zoneplates. I've read about that
zoneplates
require focussing. None of my cameras pinhole cameras can focus. Is
zoneplate focusing necessary in all cases? Is focusing needed only for
subjects that are
- Original Message -
From: Guy Glorieux guy.glori...@sympatico.ca
Nice pictures, Hughes.
I was absolutely amazed by the beauty of your hand built cameras.
Everybody
on the list, don't miss it: it's a source of great inspiration as to what
someone can do with a little bit of skill.
I
- Original Message -
From: ROGER ARMOUR ro...@rharmour.fsnet.co.uk
Thank you Guillermo and Bill for your comments. How do you make pinholes
as
small as 0.035 mm Guillermo?
Thanks
Roger,
If you really mean 0.035mm, I can not make them that small,
couldn't use them if I
- Original Message -
From: George L Smyth glsm...@yahoo.com
When I go to that link, I am redirected to
http://www.p at ???/discussion/.
Here is the direct link to B.E excellent image:
http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/gallery2001.php?cmd=maxstart=pic=
bathtub_copy.jpg
- Original Message -
From: R Duarte ra...@rahji.com
what's going to happen? will the film police come after me? is my family
going to suffer dire consequences because of my stupidity? and how do you
all keep track of 2 dilutions of fixer,
When using Ilford Universal Fixer, I use
- Original Message -
From: Tom Miller twmil...@mr.net
Another thing I've done with small can cameras is glue a strip of mat board
to the
inside of the can on either side of where the paper should be. This was
with a
cylinder camera using film for negatives and the force of the film
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