Re: [DebianGIS-dev] Debian GIS metapackages available [Was: debian-gis_0.0.1_i386.changes ACCEPTED]
Hi Francesco, On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 03:40:53PM +0200, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: I have not specific preferences about lists, I simply would note that pkg-grass-general/devel were born at the time to manage a low traffic packaging oriented list and listmasters had the opinion that alioth lists were appropriate for that. I hope that listmasters will agree that this is not the case any more. That said, I would also note that current -general list is closed to subscribers, while debian-gis would be open to the world (as generally done for all listmasters lists), with obvious consequence for subscribers about spamming... The pros and cons are heavily discussed in the past and I do not think it makes sense to repeat this discussion. I personally get about one or two mails per month from each mailinlist @l.d.o thanks to the spamfilters the listmasters applied (thanks to the effort of listmasters!) and local SPAM filters. That's IMHO acceptable. I take your mail as somethink like it is fine for me to create the list if you care for it and thus I hope the mailing list can be created soon. Question to listmasters: Is it possible to take over the content of the list archive of pkg-grass-general to debian-gis archive? I guess the different listservers might make this hard and I do not really want to put this on you. But if there would be a reasonable way to do this it would be probably a good idea. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Pkg-grass-devel mailing list Pkg-grass-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-grass-devel
Re: [DebianGIS-dev] Debian GIS metapackages available [Was: debian-gis_0.0.1_i386.changes ACCEPTED]
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 04:04:13PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 02:30:18PM +0200, Johan Van de Wauw wrote: On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Andreas Tille ti...@debian.org wrote: 1. Move the general discussion about GIS to a to be created mailing list about all GIS issues in Debian. If you agree I will ask listmaster for registering debian-...@lists.debian.org I'm pro. Even if only one person joins debian-gis who would not join pkg-grass-general (or finds a message in an archive, ...),I consider the move successful. Fine. I think we are now three persons who consider a debian-...@lists.debian.org list as useful - so just let's talk there. I'll care for the creation of this list and keep you informed. In fact, I think you should send your message also to the pkg-grass-general list to get feedback. In CC. 2. Keep those mails which are concerning the *package* *development* of packages like GRASS, Qgis etc in pkg-grass-devel and use pkg-osm-maint for OSM and GPS devices related stuff I'm not the right person to judge how much work switching that list is (eg all packages refer to the list), but I would also move towards debian-gis-devel. It is more consistent, and if the debian-gis list is created, we have the 'momentum' to change it, otherwise it will not happen. I have not specific preferences about lists, I simply would note that pkg-grass-general/devel were born at the time to manage a low traffic packaging oriented list and listmasters had the opinion that alioth lists were appropriate for that. That said, I would also note that current -general list is closed to subscribers, while debian-gis would be open to the world (as generally done for all listmasters lists), with obvious consequence for subscribers about spamming... -- Francesco P. Lovergine ___ Pkg-grass-devel mailing list Pkg-grass-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-grass-devel
Re: [DebianGIS-dev] Debian GIS metapackages available [Was: debian-gis_0.0.1_i386.changes ACCEPTED]
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Andreas Tille ti...@debian.org wrote: 1. Move the general discussion about GIS to a to be created mailing list about all GIS issues in Debian. If you agree I will ask listmaster for registering debian-...@lists.debian.org I'm pro. Even if only one person joins debian-gis who would not join pkg-grass-general (or finds a message in an archive, ...),I consider the move successful. In fact, I think you should send your message also to the pkg-grass-general list to get feedback. 2. Keep those mails which are concerning the *package* *development* of packages like GRASS, Qgis etc in pkg-grass-devel and use pkg-osm-maint for OSM and GPS devices related stuff I'm not the right person to judge how much work switching that list is (eg all packages refer to the list), but I would also move towards debian-gis-devel. It is more consistent, and if the debian-gis list is created, we have the 'momentum' to change it, otherwise it will not happen. Anyway, don't ask my opinion, but perhaps frankie can judge if it is doable? Please tell me what you think about this plan to make Debian GIS more visible inside Debian. Kind regards Andreas. ___ Pkg-grass-devel mailing list Pkg-grass-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-grass-devel
Re: [DebianGIS-dev] Debian GIS metapackages available [Was: debian-gis_0.0.1_i386.changes ACCEPTED]
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 02:30:18PM +0200, Johan Van de Wauw wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Andreas Tille ti...@debian.org wrote:
1. Move the general discussion about GIS to a to be created
mailing list about all GIS issues in Debian. If you agree
I will ask listmaster for registering
debian-...@lists.debian.org
I'm pro. Even if only one person joins debian-gis who would not join
pkg-grass-general (or finds a message in an archive, ...),I consider
the move successful.
Fine. I think we are now three persons who consider a
debian-...@lists.debian.org
list as useful - so just let's talk there. I'll care for the creation
of this list and keep you informed.
In fact, I think you should send your message also to the
pkg-grass-general list to get feedback.
In CC.
2. Keep those mails which are concerning the *package* *development*
of packages like GRASS, Qgis etc in pkg-grass-devel and use
pkg-osm-maint for OSM and GPS devices related stuff
I'm not the right person to judge how much work switching that list is
(eg all packages refer to the list), but I would also move towards
debian-gis-devel. It is more consistent, and if the debian-gis list is
created, we have the 'momentum' to change it, otherwise it will not
happen.
I admit this would also be my preference but I was hesitant to fight
historically grown habits. On the other hand to do things right we
should register an Alioth project Debian GIS and create the mailing list
there (I would prefer developer oriented list on Alioth and the general
discussion list on l.d.o - this has turned out to be useful for other
projects as well). In Debian Med and Debian Science there is a list
for collaborative maintainership of medical/science related packages
(debian-med-packag...@l.a.d.o / debian-science-maintain...@l.a.d.o) and
also a list for the commits (debian-{med|science}-comm...@l.a.d.o .
I would consider it a good idea to go with this scheme.
The problem is that we have to fight an historical split (pkg-grass and
pkg-osm, where the later is probably solvable) and this will take some
time of migration and I wonder if there is some common will to push this
change. If you ask me it is perfectly reasonable to do, but it is very
hard if it is not supported by the whole group.
Anyway, don't ask my opinion, but perhaps frankie can judge if
it is doable?
I'm actually a bit concerned that frankie stays silent to all mails in
this discussion ...
When we talked three years ago at Debconf 7 in Edinburgh (the last time
I met Frankie) he was in principle in favour of the Blends idea. Some
confirmation or doubts would be helpful to proceed here.
Please tell me what you think about this plan to make Debian GIS more
visible inside Debian.
Kind regards
Andreas.
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Re: [DebianGIS-dev] Debian GIS metapackages available [Was: debian-gis_0.0.1_i386.changes ACCEPTED]
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 02:30:18PM +0200, Johan Van de Wauw wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Andreas Tille ti...@debian.org wrote:
1. Move the general discussion about GIS to a to be created
mailing list about all GIS issues in Debian. If you agree
I will ask listmaster for registering
debian-...@lists.debian.org
I'm pro. Even if only one person joins debian-gis who would not join
pkg-grass-general (or finds a message in an archive, ...),I consider
the move successful.
Fine. I think we are now three persons who consider a
debian-...@lists.debian.org
list as useful - so just let's talk there. I'll care for the creation
of this list and keep you informed.
In fact, I think you should send your message also to the
pkg-grass-general list to get feedback.
In CC.
2. Keep those mails which are concerning the *package* *development*
of packages like GRASS, Qgis etc in pkg-grass-devel and use
pkg-osm-maint for OSM and GPS devices related stuff
I'm not the right person to judge how much work switching that list is
(eg all packages refer to the list), but I would also move towards
debian-gis-devel. It is more consistent, and if the debian-gis list is
created, we have the 'momentum' to change it, otherwise it will not
happen.
I admit this would also be my preference but I was hesitant to fight
historically grown habits. On the other hand to do things right we
should register an Alioth project Debian GIS and create the mailing list
there (I would prefer developer oriented list on Alioth and the general
discussion list on l.d.o - this has turned out to be useful for other
projects as well). In Debian Med and Debian Science there is a list
for collaborative maintainership of medical/science related packages
(debian-med-packag...@l.a.d.o / debian-science-maintain...@l.a.d.o) and
also a list for the commits (debian-{med|science}-comm...@l.a.d.o .
I would consider it a good idea to go with this scheme.
The problem is that we have to fight an historical split (pkg-grass and
pkg-osm, where the later is probably solvable) and this will take some
time of migration and I wonder if there is some common will to push this
change. If you ask me it is perfectly reasonable to do, but it is very
hard if it is not supported by the whole group.
Anyway, don't ask my opinion, but perhaps frankie can judge if
it is doable?
I'm actually a bit concerned that frankie stays silent to all mails in
this discussion ...
When we talked three years ago at Debconf 7 in Edinburgh (the last time
I met Frankie) he was in principle in favour of the Blends idea. Some
confirmation or doubts would be helpful to proceed here.
Please tell me what you think about this plan to make Debian GIS more
visible inside Debian.
Kind regards
Andreas.
--
http://fam-tille.de
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