Re: KDE version in Lenny: KDE 3.5.9 vs KDE 4.1
Sune Vuorela [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Huge advantage with kde4 Active upstream development, bugfixings and general work. Kde3 is dead. That point is moot for thinking about inclusion in a *stable* distribution. Noone disputes that kde4 is actually actively worked on, while KDE3 has gone to maintenance mode - but the only thing that counts is the quality of KDE3 and KDE4 in four to six weeks. After that, no development effort will end up in lenny, only maintenance will be needed. This hasn't been brought up yet, but if KDE4.1 will end up as incomplete as it looks like right now [1], will the KDE team actually support it once 4.2 is out or will they try to get people to move on to 4.2 [2]? I expect kde4.1 to be on time - but I actually think it is worth to delay lenny for if needed. *cough* -Some arches do not like KDE 4 Let's keep this short: KDE 4 needs to be built in all the release archs, and it actually does not. It is only hppa. It should be possible to get someone to fix it. Should be possible sucks for actual planning. Not doing so will be a very big mistake. And it fits exactly in the schedule for lenny. That is not true. If you would actually be able to follow the lenny schedule, KDE4 would already be in testing. Marc Footnotes: [1] Meaning that myriads of details are not yet ported/finished [2] Which is, as far as I understood, the promised land, where all KDE3 applications have been ported to KDE4, everything is polished and flashy features have been spread over all software - just like 4.1 was promised to be when 4.0 came out. -- BOFH #152: My pony-tail hit the on/off switch on the power strip. pgpVDxF4A5QSz.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-talk
Re: KDE version in Lenny: KDE 3.5.9 vs KDE 4.1
On Thursday, 5. June 2008, Ana Guerrero wrote: Hi folks, We have been delaying taking a decision about this for too much time now, the freeze is coming up [0], and we need to have it clear, for our users, the release team and the rest of Debian. FWIW, just my thoughts, my own conclusion, and how I'll handle it at work: I install kubuntu at work on the desktops, but I will stick at work with Kubuntu Hardy with KDE 3.5.9 when shiny new Kubuntu Intrepid with KDE 4.1 as only KDE desktop will be out. IMHO those users who are happy to have 4.1 as default, will want to switch to 4.2 when it's out. So deciding to give them 4.1 in lenny will only make them happy for half a year. Not a thankful usergroup for an release cycle of ~ 18 month !? About 'outdated' konqueror in KDE 3 it turned out that some webpages did not work with it. Firefox had no problem and the users stick with firefox So no real problem to stick with KDE 3 _until_ the KDE4 versions of konqueror (with webkit?) koffice, amarok, digikam ... blow the alternatives and KDE 3 away ;) My advanced users, maybe get KDE 4.1.* or 4.2 from an external repo if they ask and can explain me why ;) Thinking about ~/.kde, ~/.kde4 and merging is afaiu still to be really tested, especially when running in mixed kde3 and kde4 version of apps. An external repo updated with latest KDE 4 releases as they are released is the only sensible way IMHO to deal with the great KDE 4 fixes and enhancements. Maybe 4.2 or even a later 4.1.* but with more apps ported to KDE 4 is the right time to switch at work. Achim -- To me vi is Zen. To use vi is to practice zen. Every command is a koan. Profound to the user, unintelligible to the uninitiated. You discover truth everytime you use it. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-talk
Re: KDE version in Lenny: KDE 3.5.9 vs KDE 4.1
Hi, -Some arches do not like KDE 4 Let's keep this short: KDE 4 needs to be built in all the release archs, and it actually does not. It would be nice to have these reported to us, especially that Debian's archs are more than the ones usually tested by developers and normal users. We could be most probably helpful in fixing those, but if noone reports us, we don't know about them ;( -- Pino Toscano signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-talk
Re: KDE version in Lenny: KDE 3.5.9 vs KDE 4.1
Am Freitag, 6. Juni 2008 schrieb Pino Toscano: Right now, the only way to have KDE installed by default in a new Debian installation is with a cd1-kde iso. I'll start to believe to Debian+KDE as potential linux desktop only when I see KDE considered in Debian at the same level of GNOME. So far, the desktop independent distro motto of Debian is a pure joke, Debian is a GNOME distro just like Ubuntu. You can be assured that with corporate users, the decision process about IT deployments is more sophisticated than let's take this Linux CD, click on 'Desktop', and see what happens. -- http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-talk
