Re: packaging policy (was: debian/source/format for LiVES)

2010-04-25 Thread Jonas Smedegaard

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 07:10:52PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote:

Let's recommend dh7 and make it mandatory for new packages. We should 
let the uploader decide, when it's the right time to switch from CDBS 
to dh7.


Why, if I may ask?

dh7 is not a successor for CDBS.


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Re: packaging policy (was: debian/source/format for LiVES)

2010-04-25 Thread Benjamin Drung
Am Sonntag, den 25.04.2010, 19:00 +0200 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard:
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 06:44:19PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote:
> >Let's discuss a packaging policy for our team. My favorite would be dh7 
> >and dpkg-source 3.0 format. We shouldn't enforce the switch to 
> >dpkg-source 3.0 right now. Instead we should switch once the uploader 
> >thinks that the tools are ready for 3.0.
> >
> >Other opinions?
> 
> I agree to make source format switch optional for now.
> 
> But I propose to also make optional the choice of either CDBS or 
> short-form dh7.
> 
> If short-form dh7 becomes mandatory, I will leave the team.  This is not 
> meant as a thread (although the net result is somewhat the same), but 
> selfish lazyness: I use CDBS for all 100+ packages that I am involved in 
> maintaining officially for Debian.

Let's recommend dh7 and make it mandatory for new packages. We should
let the uploader decide, when it's the right time to switch from CDBS to
dh7.

I have some CDBS packages too and there is no reason for changing a
properly working debian/rules just because of the change.

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Re: packaging policy (was: debian/source/format for LiVES)

2010-04-25 Thread Jonas Smedegaard

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 06:44:19PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote:
Let's discuss a packaging policy for our team. My favorite would be dh7 
and dpkg-source 3.0 format. We shouldn't enforce the switch to 
dpkg-source 3.0 right now. Instead we should switch once the uploader 
thinks that the tools are ready for 3.0.


Other opinions?


I agree to make source format switch optional for now.

But I propose to also make optional the choice of either CDBS or 
short-form dh7.


If short-form dh7 becomes mandatory, I will leave the team.  This is not 
meant as a thread (although the net result is somewhat the same), but 
selfish lazyness: I use CDBS for all 100+ packages that I am involved in 
maintaining officially for Debian.



Kind regards,

 - Jonas

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Re: packaging policy (was: debian/source/format for LiVES)

2010-04-25 Thread Alessio Treglia
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Benjamin Drung  wrote:
> My favorite would be dh7 and dpkg-source 3.0 format.

It's also my favorite one.

> We shouldn't enforce the switch to dpkg-source 3.0 right now.
> Instead we should switch once the uploader thinks that the
> tools are ready for 3.0.

I totally agree.


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packaging policy (was: debian/source/format for LiVES)

2010-04-25 Thread Benjamin Drung
Am Sonntag, den 25.04.2010, 09:27 +0200 schrieb Reinhard Tartler:
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 23:05:29 (CEST), Harry Rickards wrote:
> 
> > There is a lintian warning with lives - missing-debian-source-format.
> > This is fixed by adding a debian/source/format. Should I put '1.0' in
> > the file or put '3.0 (quilt)' and switch to 3.0. Does this just
> > involve removing the '--with-quilt' from debian/rules, removing the
> > build depend on quilt and removing README.source?
> 
> this has been recently discussed on this list, mainly between jonas and
> me. Jonas was a strong proponent of format 3.0, while I think
> git-buildpackage is not ready (enough) for it.
> 
> As a compromise, Jonas proposed to unpatch in the 'clean' rules such that
> a 'debclean' returns the working copy to a state that is ready to be
> examined with 'git status'/'git commit' commands.
> 
> While I can live with this compromise, I'm not very fond of having
> different sets of packages with different packaging policies under our
> team umbrella. We currently have some packages in dh6-style, some in
> dh7, some in cdbs, and this format discussion is adding yet another
> dimension of variability. So if we agree on moving to format 3.0, I
> think we should properly document this and convert all packages
> gradually.

Let's discuss a packaging policy for our team. My favorite would be dh7
and dpkg-source 3.0 format. We shouldn't enforce the switch to
dpkg-source 3.0 right now. Instead we should switch once the uploader
thinks that the tools are ready for 3.0.

Other opinions?

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Re: debian/source/format for LiVES

2010-04-25 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:14:50 (CEST), Harry Rickards wrote:

> I'll just put format 1.0 for the moment then, if that's agreeable with
> everyone.

Yes, until we decide to convert all packages to format 3.0, I think
that's a safe bet, at least for now.

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Re: debian/source/format for LiVES

2010-04-25 Thread Alessio Treglia
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Harry Rickards  wrote:
> I'll just put format 1.0 for the moment then, if that's agreeable with 
> everyone.
>

It's fine for me.

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Re: debian/source/format for LiVES

2010-04-25 Thread Harry Rickards
On 25 April 2010 08:27, Reinhard Tartler  wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 23:05:29 (CEST), Harry Rickards wrote:
>
>> There is a lintian warning with lives - missing-debian-source-format.
>> This is fixed by adding a debian/source/format. Should I put '1.0' in
>> the file or put '3.0 (quilt)' and switch to 3.0. Does this just
>> involve removing the '--with-quilt' from debian/rules, removing the
>> build depend on quilt and removing README.source?
>
> this has been recently discussed on this list, mainly between jonas and
> me. Jonas was a strong proponent of format 3.0, while I think
> git-buildpackage is not ready (enough) for it.
>
> As a compromise, Jonas proposed to unpatch in the 'clean' rules such that
> a 'debclean' returns the working copy to a state that is ready to be
> examined with 'git status'/'git commit' commands.
>
> While I can live with this compromise, I'm not very fond of having
> different sets of packages with different packaging policies under our
> team umbrella. We currently have some packages in dh6-style, some in
> dh7, some in cdbs, and this format discussion is adding yet another
> dimension of variability. So if we agree on moving to format 3.0, I
> think we should properly document this and convert all packages
> gradually.
>

I'll just put format 1.0 for the moment then, if that's agreeable with everyone.

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Re: debian/source/format for LiVES

2010-04-25 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 23:05:29 (CEST), Harry Rickards wrote:

> There is a lintian warning with lives - missing-debian-source-format.
> This is fixed by adding a debian/source/format. Should I put '1.0' in
> the file or put '3.0 (quilt)' and switch to 3.0. Does this just
> involve removing the '--with-quilt' from debian/rules, removing the
> build depend on quilt and removing README.source?

this has been recently discussed on this list, mainly between jonas and
me. Jonas was a strong proponent of format 3.0, while I think
git-buildpackage is not ready (enough) for it.

As a compromise, Jonas proposed to unpatch in the 'clean' rules such that
a 'debclean' returns the working copy to a state that is ready to be
examined with 'git status'/'git commit' commands.

While I can live with this compromise, I'm not very fond of having
different sets of packages with different packaging policies under our
team umbrella. We currently have some packages in dh6-style, some in
dh7, some in cdbs, and this format discussion is adding yet another
dimension of variability. So if we agree on moving to format 3.0, I
think we should properly document this and convert all packages
gradually.

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Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4

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debian/source/format for LiVES

2010-04-24 Thread Harry Rickards
Hi,

There is a lintian warning with lives - missing-debian-source-format.
This is fixed by adding a debian/source/format. Should I put '1.0' in
the file or put '3.0 (quilt)' and switch to 3.0. Does this just
involve removing the '--with-quilt' from debian/rules, removing the
build depend on quilt and removing README.source?

Thanks

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