Re: [PLUG] Desktop machine failures

2015-07-13 Thread Denis Heidtmann
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Bill Barry b...@billbarry.org wrote: For some reason there is a remnant of the old grub hanging around on your system and occasionally your system is trying to boot from it. You might diagnose the problem by running sudo bootinfoscript

Re: [PLUG] Desktop machine failures

2015-07-13 Thread Bill Barry
On Jul 13, 2015 10:43 AM, Denis Heidtmann denis.heidtm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Bill Barry b...@billbarry.org wrote: For some reason there is a remnant of the old grub hanging around on your system and occasionally your system is trying to boot from it. You

Re: [PLUG] Desktop machine failures

2015-07-13 Thread Denis Heidtmann
More below On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Denis Heidtmann denis.heidtm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Bill Barry b...@billbarry.org wrote: Yes, this shows the system is using grub legacy and I am pretty sure that is what is causing your boot problems. There is a

Re: [PLUG] Desktop machine failures

2015-07-13 Thread Denis Heidtmann
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Bill Barry b...@billbarry.org wrote: On Jul 13, 2015 2:04 PM, Denis Heidtmann denis.heidtm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Bill Barry b...@billbarry.org wrote: Yes, this shows the system is using grub legacy and I am pretty sure

Re: [PLUG] Desktop machine failures

2015-07-11 Thread Galen Seitz
On 07/10/15 18:03, Denis Heidtmann wrote: Well, it is at it again. Second boot of the day I got the same error I got a 6 days ago: Error 16: Inconsistent file system structure. Press any key to continue. A key press gets me to the menu of OS versions. On choosing the usual (12.04) I get

Re: [PLUG] Desktop machine failures

2015-07-11 Thread Rich Shepard
On Fri, 10 Jul 2015, Denis Heidtmann wrote: Short of a new computer, any ideas? Denis, The hard drive is fine, which makes me wonder if the power supply is getting flaky or a fan is not sufficiently cooling the CPU. I've had 2 power supply failures, but so long ago I don't recall the

Re: [PLUG] Desktop machine failures

2015-07-11 Thread Galen Seitz
On 07/11/15 07:48, Denis Heidtmann wrote: I was planning on running e2fsck on sda2 and sda5 later today. Here are the results of your suggested commands: parents@R2D4:~$ cat /proc/partitions major minor #blocks name 80 488386584 sda 81 482809446 sda1 8

Re: [PLUG] Desktop machine failures

2015-07-11 Thread Denis Heidtmann
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 6:10 AM, Robert Citek robert.ci...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Jim Garrison j...@jhmg.net wrote: On 7/10/2015 8:00 PM, Denis Heidtmann wrote: This time I used e2fsck -fvp /dev/sda1 from the Ubuntu 12.04 live CD. No errors found. How is

Re: [PLUG] Desktop machine failures

2015-07-11 Thread Robert Citek
On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Jim Garrison j...@jhmg.net wrote: On 7/10/2015 8:00 PM, Denis Heidtmann wrote: This time I used e2fsck -fvp /dev/sda1 from the Ubuntu 12.04 live CD. No errors found. How is your disk partitioned? /dev/sda1 may not be the damaged partition. To show us the

Re: [PLUG] Desktop machine failures

2015-07-11 Thread Denis Heidtmann
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Galen Seitz gal...@seitzassoc.com wrote: On 07/11/15 07:48, Denis Heidtmann wrote: I was planning on running e2fsck on sda2 and sda5 later today. Here are the results of your suggested commands: parents@R2D4:~$ cat /proc/partitions major minor

Re: [PLUG] Desktop machine failures

2015-07-11 Thread Bill Barry
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Denis Heidtmann denis.heidtm...@gmail.com wrote: If it is fans, it would have to be slow starting, since the failures have always been on starting from a cold machine. That should be easy to check. Cabling: Everything is inside the case, so there should be

Re: [PLUG] Desktop machine failures

2015-07-11 Thread Denis Heidtmann
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Bill Barry b...@billbarry.org wrote: On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Denis Heidtmann denis.heidtm...@gmail.com wrote: If it is fans, it would have to be slow starting, since the failures have always been on starting from a cold machine. That should be

Re: [PLUG] Desktop machine failures

2015-07-11 Thread Bill Barry
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Bill Barry b...@billbarry.org wrote: Which version of grub are you using? What does grub-probe -V say? It looks like an error message from the old legacy grub. It might be having problems rebooting with the drives changing names between reboots. If it is

Re: [PLUG] Desktop machine failures

2015-07-11 Thread Denis Heidtmann
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Bill Barry b...@billbarry.org wrote: On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Bill Barry b...@billbarry.org wrote: Which version of grub are you using? What does grub-probe -V say? It looks like an error message from the old legacy grub. It might be having

Re: [PLUG] Desktop machine failures

2015-07-11 Thread Bill Barry
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Denis Heidtmann denis.heidtm...@gmail.com wrote: Which version of grub are you using? What does grub-probe -V say? It looks like an error message from the old legacy grub. It might be having problems rebooting with the drives changing names between

Re: [PLUG] Desktop machine failures

2015-07-10 Thread Denis Heidtmann
They spin. Thanks for trying. -Denis On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 6:20 PM, David dafr+p...@dafr.us wrote: A shot in the dark, but what kind of drive are you using for your root filesystem? I read recently about TRIM on SSD being broken in some cases, so if you have traditional spinning platters

Re: [PLUG] Desktop machine failures

2015-07-10 Thread David
A shot in the dark, but what kind of drive are you using for your root filesystem? I read recently about TRIM on SSD being broken in some cases, so if you have traditional spinning platters this is going down the wrong path. david On 07/10/2015 06:03 PM, Denis Heidtmann wrote: Well, it is

[PLUG] Desktop machine failures

2015-07-10 Thread Denis Heidtmann
Well, it is at it again. Second boot of the day I got the same error I got a 6 days ago: Error 16: Inconsistent file system structure. Press any key to continue. A key press gets me to the menu of OS versions. On choosing the usual (12.04) I get partway into the Ubuntu startup, then a black

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-06 Thread Denis Heidtmann
The memory check ran for 12 hours. 4 passes. No errors. -Denis ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-05 Thread Denis Heidtmann
I ran sudo e2fsck -f /dev/sda1 . Up to this point, the system failed as I described more severely when first starting, i.e., when it had been powered off for a while. So I waited 'till this AM to power on after being off overnight. I have detected no failures so far. This novice's reading of

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-05 Thread Denis Heidtmann
On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote: On Sun, 5 Jul 2015, Denis Heidtmann wrote: This novice's reading of man e2fsck makes me think that the command e2fsck -f /dev/sda1 does not do anything, unless checking a file system means fixing a file system.

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-05 Thread Rich Shepard
On Sun, 5 Jul 2015, Denis Heidtmann wrote: This novice's reading of man e2fsck makes me think that the command e2fsck -f /dev/sda1 does not do anything, unless checking a file system means fixing a file system. In fact, if e2fsck -f does fix things what is the purpose of the -p option?

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-05 Thread Rich Shepard
On Sun, 5 Jul 2015, Denis Heidtmann wrote: I agree with all you said, but it does not explain the observation that my machine does not exhibit any issues since running e2fsck -f /dev/sda1. (Lacking the -p means do not repair.) Time heals all ills? Denis, e2fsck fixed what ailed your

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-05 Thread Denis Heidtmann
On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote: On Sun, 5 Jul 2015, Denis Heidtmann wrote: I agree with all you said, but it does not explain the observation that my machine does not exhibit any issues since running e2fsck -f /dev/sda1. (Lacking the -p means

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-05 Thread Rich Shepard
On Sun, 5 Jul 2015, Denis Heidtmann wrote: Conclusion: errors gone due to e2fsck, due to passage of time, or errors are not due to the disk. I do not see how choose among the three choices, but since e2fsck reported no errors and was not told to prune, that is low on my list. Denis,

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-05 Thread Denis Heidtmann
On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Galen Seitz gal...@seitzassoc.com wrote: You may want to check your disk's health and run some tests using smartctl. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/S.M.A.R.T. galen Galen, I had looked the the SMART data yesterday--healthy. Your link yields no

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-05 Thread Denis Heidtmann
On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Denis Heidtmann denis.heidtm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Galen Seitz gal...@seitzassoc.com wrote: You may want to check your disk's health and run some tests using smartctl. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/S.M.A.R.T. galen

[PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-04 Thread Denis Heidtmann
Yesterday and today on starting I get errors such as: Boot from (hd0,0) ext3 d7d8b1c0-f79. Error 16: Inconsistent file system structure press any key to continue... key press presented list of boot options. I selected memtest. I got just a flashing cursor. Power off and restart produced:

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-04 Thread Ken Stephens
Denis Heidtmann wrote: Yesterday and today on starting I get errors such as: Boot from (hd0,0) ext3 d7d8b1c0-f79. Error 16: Inconsistent file system structure press any key to continue... key press presented list of boot options. I selected memtest. I got just a flashing cursor.

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-04 Thread Ken Stephens
Ken Stephens wrote: Denis Heidtmann wrote: Yesterday and today on starting I get errors such as: Boot from (hd0,0) ext3 d7d8b1c0-f79. Error 16: Inconsistent file system structure press any key to continue... key press presented list of boot options. I selected memtest. I got just a

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-04 Thread Rich Shepard
On Sat, 4 Jul 2015, Ken Stephens wrote: Make that the fsck command. More specifically, e2fsck checks and repairs ext2/ext3 file systems. I've used it in the past and it does just what it says: checks and repairs. You'll have time for dinner while it's working, but it will do the job. Rich

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-04 Thread Rich Shepard
On Sat, 4 Jul 2015, Denis Heidtmann wrote: I am running sudo e2fsck -f /dev/sda1 I suppose I could interrupt it (if I knew how) and add the v and p options. Certainly the -v is a no-brainer. Denis, Let 'er rip until done. Won't hurt anything. Can always try -fvp afterwards. Rich

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-04 Thread Denis Heidtmann
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Derek Loree d...@drloree.com wrote: On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Denis Heidtmann denis.heidtm...@gmail.com wrote: As I said, I booted from a live CD and attempted to run fsck. It spends zero time to respond that /dev/sda1 is clean.” Check your partition

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-04 Thread Rich Shepard
On Sat, 4 Jul 2015, Denis Heidtmann wrote: As I said, I booted from a live CD and attempted to run fsck. It spends zero time to respond that /dev/sda1 is clean. Are there some options I should use when running fsck? I know when Ubuntu runs automatically every so often on boot that it takes

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-04 Thread Denis Heidtmann
Ah, the man page for e2fsck discloses the -f option--forces the check. Thanks. Check in progress. -Denis On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote: On Sat, 4 Jul 2015, Ken Stephens wrote: Make that the fsck command. More specifically, e2fsck checks

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-04 Thread Denis Heidtmann
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote: On Sat, 4 Jul 2015, Denis Heidtmann wrote: I am running sudo e2fsck -f /dev/sda1 I suppose I could interrupt it (if I knew how) and add the v and p options. Certainly the -v is a no-brainer. Denis, Let

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-04 Thread Rich Shepard
On Sat, 4 Jul 2015, Denis Heidtmann wrote: It completed. Nothing in the report indicates any errors. Maybe I need to go on to sda2 and sda5? Denis, I would. Can't hurt anything to check all partitions while you're at it. Try the verbose option (-v) with them and you'll see the number of

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-04 Thread Denis Heidtmann
As I said, I booted from a live CD and attempted to run fsck. It spends zero time to respond that /dev/sda1 is clean. Are there some options I should use when running fsck? I know when Ubuntu runs automatically every so often on boot that it takes a few minutes to complete. Yet when I run

Re: [PLUG] desktop machine failures

2015-07-04 Thread Derek Loree
On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Denis Heidtmann denis.heidtm...@gmail.com wrote: As I said, I booted from a live CD and attempted to run fsck. It spends zero time to respond that /dev/sda1 is clean.” Check your partition table with fdisk, cfdisk, or parted. It is possible the partition table