Re: [PLUG] Cheap printer for Raspberry Pi idea

[Dave]

Thanks Tyrell for that valuable link. I will also take a closer look at 
HPLIP with regard to some other printers here.

I ordered an HP Deskjet 1112 from Amazon for this application. It claims 
to have full support for Linux Debian (RPi?) and Mint via USB. For $29 
it's worth a try. :-$. If it works, it should be a perfect small 
addition to a stand-alone RPi student learning station.

-Dave


On 8/13/2017 8:47 PM, Tyrell Jentink wrote:
> It's been a while since I plugged in my HP printer... I have one of the
> OfficeJet Pro L7680, stopped using it because I don't print frequently and
> so Laser printers are better suited to my needs...  But when I was
> researching the purchase, I referenced HPLIP, the HP Linux Imaging and
> Printing project:
> http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/supported_devices/index.html
>
> The HPLIP project is initiated and led by HP directly, and in my
> experience, they are pretty good about keeping their lists up to date.
>
> I am not fluant in CUPS, and my understanding may be fundamentally
> flawed...  But it is my understanding that CUPS only supports a short list
> of printers directly, but provides a common API for drivers for other
> printers to be written.  When it comes to HP printers, I believe the go-to
> driver is HPLIP, and I believe HPLIP depends on CUPS.
>
> I suspect other printers are supported indirectly in a similar manner, and
> thus they may not show up on the Pi CUPS list...  Even though they are
> indeed supported, potentially out of the box...
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Dave  wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom-
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts.
>>
>> I have owned a LOT of printers over the years. Starting with an early
>> Centronics in the '70s that sounded like washing machine and cost a
>> fortune! Also had an Epson MX-80 before it was released to the public. .
>> Then wrote the tutorial book that went in the box. 8-).
>>
>> Had a few really good printers over time, but a number of
>> disappointments too. Too many have not worked well with Linux thus my
>> caution here.
>>
>> For this little learning application I just want something that
>> definitely works with the Pi. Am checking the Pi CUPS list here now
>> against the offerings of WalMart, Office Depot, Costco etc and have not
>> found even one that is on the list. Most CUPS listings are for obsolete
>> printers it seems...
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/12/2017 5:05 PM, Tom wrote:
>>> I am great fan of HP printers and multifunction devices - because they
>>> just work on Linux (with some rare exceptions).
>>> My current one HP 8600, in the past: HP 3510, HP 1505N, .
>>> Generally, it just prints and also scans with some minor love.
>>> I have also owned Epson C88 (I think) - the printer worked just fine in
>>> Linux - it wasted as much ink as the HP printers, but it would not work
>>> with EU bought ink - which was major pain.
>>> Just look up the printer in CUPS list before buying it - it is trivial
>>> to carry the list in the smart-phone avoiding two trips to store.
>>> If fact, I would not hesitate returning the printer if it would not
>>> work with Linux - it is their problem to solve if they do not bother to
>>> write a statement for Linux users on the box.
>>> I do not expect much from a printer these days 50-100 pages a year -
>>> hence my bias - some years are 3x depending on moves/relocation
>>> WARNING: Customary rant about printers
>>> I hope that I am not starting something bigger by expressing my
>>> opinion:
>>>- there is not such thing as cheap inkjet printer these days due to
>>> ink cost coupled with regular head cleaning cycles.
>>>- I do not print a lot - there have been couple instances that I have
>>> printed about 20-30 pages per 4x cartridge set due to time passage and
>>> regular cleaning cycles.
>>>- My wife prints a lot (work related) and went trough $150 ink per
>>> month in her cheap ~$60 HP printer. We got expensive, enterprise
>>> printer with low per page cost to fix that.
>>>- Without calculating it - owning reliably functioning inkjet printer
>>> can costs as much as $80 per year in ink printed or wasted.
>>> Tomas
>>> On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 14:19 -0700, Dave wrote:
 I'm looking to buy a a small cheap inkjet printer to dedicate to a
 Raspberry Pi. USB connect, no multipurpose, and actually has a driver
 in
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Re: [PLUG] ENU,Inc R.I.P.

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sun, 13 Aug 2017 19:07:55 -0700
Larry Brigman  dijo:

>There are some places still around.
>Iguana Micro for those on the west side. http://www.iguanamicro.com/
>Also for bits and pieces - surplus gizmos -
>http://www.surplusgizmos.com/

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Re: [PLUG] Century Link sales at the door

[wes]

more likely, your particular salesperson was trying to make a better
commission. it is entirely possible to get better prices for better
services from CL.

not sure what you mean by the "not on super service" point - literally
anything is better than comcast.

-wes

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> The young lady said that fiber to the home is SO much better--reliable,
> etc.  I asked about the download speed. 40.  Up? 20. Cost? I think it was
> just under $100. (Phone and internet; no TV). How do they expect to compete
> with Comcast if their intro stuff is more expensive?  Certainly not on
> superior service.
>
> My son plays one off the other to keep lower prices.  Maybe Century Link is
> dropping out of that game on the west side.
>
> -Denis
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Re: [PLUG] Century Link sales at the door

[Tom]

To compare ..
I switched to CenturyLink fiber about month ago for $45 for 100Mb/s
down 50Mb/s up (-router+paper-less bills+autobilling) in SE Portland. I
had to get the router and return it.
Local alternatives - Comcast increased my price from $50 to $90 for
100Mb/s down 10Mb/s up last month.
I have both Comcast cable and CenturyLink fiber available on the poles.
I would not bundle the phone in US - it is very expensive. Get bare
Internet + VoIP phone for free with Google and buy a VoIP phone or
subscribe to some of those $5-$10/month VoIP deals - sold at Fry's. Or
just use your cell, it costs you anyway and you might get less
spam.
-T
On Sun, 2017-08-13 at 20:39 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> The young lady said that fiber to the home is SO much better-
> -reliable,
> etc.  I asked about the download speed. 40.  Up? 20. Cost? I think it
> was
> just under $100. (Phone and internet; no TV). How do they expect to
> compete
> with Comcast if their intro stuff is more expensive?  Certainly not
> on
> superior service.
> 
> My son plays one off the other to keep lower prices.  Maybe Century
> Link is
> dropping out of that game on the west side.
> 
> -Denis
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Re: [PLUG] Cheap printer for Raspberry Pi idea

[Tyrell Jentink]

It's been a while since I plugged in my HP printer... I have one of the
OfficeJet Pro L7680, stopped using it because I don't print frequently and
so Laser printers are better suited to my needs...  But when I was
researching the purchase, I referenced HPLIP, the HP Linux Imaging and
Printing project:
http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/supported_devices/index.html

The HPLIP project is initiated and led by HP directly, and in my
experience, they are pretty good about keeping their lists up to date.

I am not fluant in CUPS, and my understanding may be fundamentally
flawed...  But it is my understanding that CUPS only supports a short list
of printers directly, but provides a common API for drivers for other
printers to be written.  When it comes to HP printers, I believe the go-to
driver is HPLIP, and I believe HPLIP depends on CUPS.

I suspect other printers are supported indirectly in a similar manner, and
thus they may not show up on the Pi CUPS list...  Even though they are
indeed supported, potentially out of the box...


On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Dave  wrote:

> Hi Tom-
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> I have owned a LOT of printers over the years. Starting with an early
> Centronics in the '70s that sounded like washing machine and cost a
> fortune! Also had an Epson MX-80 before it was released to the public. .
> Then wrote the tutorial book that went in the box. 8-).
>
> Had a few really good printers over time, but a number of
> disappointments too. Too many have not worked well with Linux thus my
> caution here.
>
> For this little learning application I just want something that
> definitely works with the Pi. Am checking the Pi CUPS list here now
> against the offerings of WalMart, Office Depot, Costco etc and have not
> found even one that is on the list. Most CUPS listings are for obsolete
> printers it seems...
>
> -Dave
>
>
>
> On 8/12/2017 5:05 PM, Tom wrote:
> > I am great fan of HP printers and multifunction devices - because they
> > just work on Linux (with some rare exceptions).
> > My current one HP 8600, in the past: HP 3510, HP 1505N, .
> > Generally, it just prints and also scans with some minor love.
> > I have also owned Epson C88 (I think) - the printer worked just fine in
> > Linux - it wasted as much ink as the HP printers, but it would not work
> > with EU bought ink - which was major pain.
> > Just look up the printer in CUPS list before buying it - it is trivial
> > to carry the list in the smart-phone avoiding two trips to store.
> > If fact, I would not hesitate returning the printer if it would not
> > work with Linux - it is their problem to solve if they do not bother to
> > write a statement for Linux users on the box.
> > I do not expect much from a printer these days 50-100 pages a year -
> > hence my bias - some years are 3x depending on moves/relocation
> > WARNING: Customary rant about printers
> > I hope that I am not starting something bigger by expressing my
> > opinion:
> >   - there is not such thing as cheap inkjet printer these days due to
> > ink cost coupled with regular head cleaning cycles.
> >   - I do not print a lot - there have been couple instances that I have
> > printed about 20-30 pages per 4x cartridge set due to time passage and
> > regular cleaning cycles.
> >   - My wife prints a lot (work related) and went trough $150 ink per
> > month in her cheap ~$60 HP printer. We got expensive, enterprise
> > printer with low per page cost to fix that.
> >   - Without calculating it - owning reliably functioning inkjet printer
> > can costs as much as $80 per year in ink printed or wasted.
> > Tomas
> > On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 14:19 -0700, Dave wrote:
> >> I'm looking to buy a a small cheap inkjet printer to dedicate to a
> >> Raspberry Pi. USB connect, no multipurpose, and actually has a driver
> >> in
> >> the CUPS list. Ideas appreciated.
> >>
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[PLUG] Century Link sales at the door

[Denis Heidtmann]

The young lady said that fiber to the home is SO much better--reliable,
etc.  I asked about the download speed. 40.  Up? 20. Cost? I think it was
just under $100. (Phone and internet; no TV). How do they expect to compete
with Comcast if their intro stuff is more expensive?  Certainly not on
superior service.

My son plays one off the other to keep lower prices.  Maybe Century Link is
dropping out of that game on the west side.

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Re: [PLUG] ENU,Inc R.I.P.

[Larry Brigman]

There are some places still around.
Iguana Micro for those on the west side. http://www.iguanamicro.com/
Also for bits and pieces - surplus gizmos - http://www.surplusgizmos.com/



On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Pete Lancashire 
wrote:

> Portland Oregon .. the Black Hole of technology
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Chuck Hast  wrote:
>
> > I was over in Honolulu abt this time last year, needed some parts was
> > directed to a place not too far from the seafood plant where I was,
> walked
> > in and found one of those type of emporiums. Had some in the Tampa Bay
> area
> > and Orlando (cape surplus stuff) sure miss that.
> >
> > On Aug 13, 2017 13:57, "Rich Shepard"  wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 13 Aug 2017, Edward Koenig wrote:
> > >
> > > > I really do miss the days browsing the local shops for part to build
> my
> > > > own boxes.
> > >
> > >When I had my ham radio license and built my own transmitters and
> > > receivers I used to go down to Canal St (NYC) and rummage in the bins
> for
> > > the resistors, capacitors, switches, vacuum tubes, etc. I needed. No
> > > blister
> > > packs; buy only what you need. Those days are gone. To a large extent,
> I
> > > miss them.
> > >
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Re: [PLUG] ENU,Inc R.I.P.

[Tom]

You could still do this "rummage in the bins for " in surplus
gizmos in Hillsboro
Just a RIP thought:
I had an interesting experience while visiting local CenturyLink store
a few weeks ago - there are so many people without basic networking and
computer knowledge - not even a clue.
In the past they would probably go to their local PC shop for advice.
Now they get hopelessly upset at ISP shop and just buy smartphone with
$60+ per month to fix their internet needs.
One would think that there would be tons of small time IT guys/shops
around to solve people's networking/computing issues ... I really
wonder where are we heading and why.
On Sun, 2017-08-13 at 11:54 -0700, Rich Shepard wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Aug 2017, Edward Koenig wrote:
> 
> > I really do miss the days browsing the local shops for part to
> > build my
> > own boxes.
> 
>When I had my ham radio license and built my own transmitters and
> receivers I used to go down to Canal St (NYC) and rummage in the bins
> for
> the resistors, capacitors, switches, vacuum tubes, etc. I needed. No
> blister
> packs; buy only what you need. Those days are gone. To a large
> extent, I
> miss them.
> 
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

[Tom]

My apology for being sloppy 
I meant VM and general term for Virtual Machine - regardless if vBox,
KVM, Xen or VMware
-T
On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 21:01 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> Tomas,
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion.  I did not know that the recovery  could
> be used
> for installing in Virtual Box.  (You said VM--I know that VM has a
> special
> routine for extracting an installed OS for a virtual machine, but was
> uncertain about Virtual Box.)
> 
> I am not certain if I will use Win 10--I use Win 2K at present for
> two
> legacy programs.  And a third might be better with 10.
> 
> -Denis
> 
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Tom 
> wrote:
> 
> > Alternatively, you could create Windows recovery USB media before
> > installing linux on the box.
> > It can be used to fully reinstall already activated Windows in VM
> > or on
> > the laptop when you want to give it away.
> > I store the USB media on a filer as VDI disk image, forever. I have
> > never used any of those backups - even when selling old computers,
> > they
> > were always bought by a Linux geek.
> > What are the chances that you would want to use windows Denis?
> > I have bunch of MS Win VM's which I use for single task - boot them
> > up
> > and waste couple of hours updating them every quarter.
> > What a waste - I behave like the monkeys with the banana in a cage!
> > Tomas
> > On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 16:25 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > > The latest question, "Is it activated?" , the answer seems to be
> > > "yes".
> > > Posts I have seen say that if not activated personalization
> > > should
> > > not be
> > > possible.  It is possible for this installation.  But...
> > > 
> > > I read that Win 10 can be moved to a virtual machine:
> > > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-wind
> > > ows_
> > > install/convert-windows-10-activation-to-virtual-machine/284089e3
> > > -af42-4b42-acb6-1e63d50a4212?auth=1
> > > 
> > > So I think I will take this route.  I can get an ISO from MS,
> > > then go
> > > through the activation as described.
> > > 
> > > Thanks for all the ideas.
> > > 
> > > -Denis
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I entered settings, searched for "Is windows activated".  The
> > > > response was
> > > > unable to reach activation servers (not connected).  It also
> > > > had an
> > > > entry
> > > > to change the product key, but no existing product key was
> > > > shown.
> > > >  So I
> > > > think I am still uncertain.  I can connect and try again
> > > > (tomorrow).
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I will search windows, but not being familiar with it I may
> > > > > have
> > > > > difficulty.  BTW I managed to boot from a 16.04 flash drive-
> > > > > -progress.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Garrett Bigart <
> > > > > gbig...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Before you install Ubuntu could you check in the settings
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > see whether
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > says activated or not? I might need to do something
> > > > > > depending
> > > > > > on what
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > says.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > list, so
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04
> > > > > > > flash
> > > > > > drive.  But
> > > > > > > for starters, this will help me check the system.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan <
> > > > > > > joh...@gmx.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
> > > > > > > > Denis Heidtmann  dijo:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not
> > > > > > > > > boot
> > > > > > > > > -order
> > > > > > option
> > > > > > > > > I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties
> > > > > > > > > UEFI/legacy
> > > > > > rather
> > > > > > > > > than CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still
> > > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > not boot the
> > > > > > > > > CD.  UEFI is disabled as well.  I guess I need to
> > > > > > > > > explore
> > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > options.  Ideas?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > This will probably not help, but here goes anyway. On
> > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > laptop
> > > > > > > > there are two boot options: one takes you to the BIOS
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > the other
> > > > > > (F7)
> > > > > > > > gives you a list of devices from which you can select
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > one to 

Re: [PLUG] ENU,Inc R.I.P.

[Pete Lancashire]

Portland Oregon .. the Black Hole of technology

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Chuck Hast  wrote:

> I was over in Honolulu abt this time last year, needed some parts was
> directed to a place not too far from the seafood plant where I was, walked
> in and found one of those type of emporiums. Had some in the Tampa Bay area
> and Orlando (cape surplus stuff) sure miss that.
>
> On Aug 13, 2017 13:57, "Rich Shepard"  wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 13 Aug 2017, Edward Koenig wrote:
> >
> > > I really do miss the days browsing the local shops for part to build my
> > > own boxes.
> >
> >When I had my ham radio license and built my own transmitters and
> > receivers I used to go down to Canal St (NYC) and rummage in the bins for
> > the resistors, capacitors, switches, vacuum tubes, etc. I needed. No
> > blister
> > packs; buy only what you need. Those days are gone. To a large extent, I
> > miss them.
> >
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Re: [PLUG] ENU,Inc R.I.P.

[Chuck Hast]

I was over in Honolulu abt this time last year, needed some parts was
directed to a place not too far from the seafood plant where I was, walked
in and found one of those type of emporiums. Had some in the Tampa Bay area
and Orlando (cape surplus stuff) sure miss that.

On Aug 13, 2017 13:57, "Rich Shepard"  wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Aug 2017, Edward Koenig wrote:
>
> > I really do miss the days browsing the local shops for part to build my
> > own boxes.
>
>When I had my ham radio license and built my own transmitters and
> receivers I used to go down to Canal St (NYC) and rummage in the bins for
> the resistors, capacitors, switches, vacuum tubes, etc. I needed. No
> blister
> packs; buy only what you need. Those days are gone. To a large extent, I
> miss them.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

[Garrett Bigart]

Ok, cool. Make sure to skip the key activation during instillation. It
probably wont activate then. Install all updates then activate it.

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> The latest question, "Is it activated?" , the answer seems to be "yes".
> Posts I have seen say that if not activated personalization should not be
> possible.  It is possible for this installation.  But...
>
> I read that Win 10 can be moved to a virtual machine:
> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_
> 10-windows_install/convert-windows-10-activation-to-
> virtual-machine/284089e3-af42-4b42-acb6-1e63d50a4212?auth=1
>
> So I think I will take this route.  I can get an ISO from MS, then go
> through the activation as described.
>
> Thanks for all the ideas.
>
> -Denis
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I entered settings, searched for "Is windows activated".  The response
> was
> > unable to reach activation servers (not connected).  It also had an entry
> > to change the product key, but no existing product key was shown.  So I
> > think I am still uncertain.  I can connect and try again (tomorrow).
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I will search windows, but not being familiar with it I may have
> >> difficulty.  BTW I managed to boot from a 16.04 flash drive--progress.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Garrett Bigart 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Before you install Ubuntu could you check in the settings to see
> whether
> >>> it
> >>> says activated or not? I might need to do something depending on what
> >>> that
> >>> says.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> >>> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on the list,
> so
> >>> I
> >>> > have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04 flash
> >>> drive.  But
> >>> > for starters, this will help me check the system.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan 
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
> >>> > > Denis Heidtmann  dijo:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > >I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not boot-order
> >>> option
> >>> > > >I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties UEFI/legacy
> >>> rather
> >>> > > >than CD/HD, etc.  I set it to legacy, but it still did not boot
> the
> >>> > > >CD.  UEFI is disabled as well.  I guess I need to explore other
> >>> > > >options.  Ideas?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > This will probably not help, but here goes anyway. On my current
> >>> laptop
> >>> > > there are two boot options: one takes you to the BIOS and the other
> >>> (F7)
> >>> > > gives you a list of devices from which you can select the one to
> boot
> >>> > > to. But this is not a Thinkpad. :(
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Re: [PLUG] ENU,Inc R.I.P.

[Rich Shepard]

On Sun, 13 Aug 2017, Edward Koenig wrote:

> I really do miss the days browsing the local shops for part to build my
> own boxes.

   When I had my ham radio license and built my own transmitters and
receivers I used to go down to Canal St (NYC) and rummage in the bins for
the resistors, capacitors, switches, vacuum tubes, etc. I needed. No blister
packs; buy only what you need. Those days are gone. To a large extent, I
miss them.

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Re: [PLUG] ENU,Inc R.I.P.

[Edward Koenig]

On Aug 12, 2017, at 7:43 PM, Russell Senior  wrote:
> 
> 
> After noticing a disturbing lack of stock on the ENU,Inc website a few
> weeks ago, I happened to be in the neighborhood of the 122nd store
> (while dropping off plastic at the Far West Fiber), and stopped to
> check.  There was a sign on the door saying their last day is August 18,
> and a short note:
> 
>  GOING OUT OF BUSINESS
> 
>  ENU is sad to announce that we are going out of business.

Sigh.  Another one bites the dust.  I've bought a few bits and pieces there in 
the 10 yrs since I moved to the area. 10-15 min drive a damn sight better than 
to fry's. 

> 
> ENU, while still an annoying 15-20 minute drive from my house, has been
> my go-to source for emergency computer parts (particularly hard disks)
> for the last couple decades.  I am sad to see them go.
> 
> Does anyone have favorite, local alternatives that aren't Fry's and Best Buy?
> 

I think we are doomed. Fry's is ok if I happen t be driving by and need a 
stretch o' the legs (work entails quite a few trips down I-5), and I really 
don't like Best Buy that much anymore. Although many of us (in PLUG) shop at 
the smaller local shops, there are just not enough of us left to keep them in 
business.  Online with same day shipping (often free) is just too tempting.

I really do miss the days browsing the local shops for part to build my own 
boxes.  

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Re: [PLUG] ENU,Inc R.I.P.

[Rich Shepard]

On Sat, 12 Aug 2017, Russell Senior wrote:

> ENU, while still an annoying 15-20 minute drive from my house, has been
> my go-to source for emergency computer parts (particularly hard disks)
> for the last couple decades.  I am sad to see them go.

   I, too, have driven a distance (from Troutdale) to their store for
components since about the time they opened. I built a few desktops with
parts purchased from them and they always had excellent advice about which
to use and which to avoid for a linux box.

> Does anyone have favorite, local alternatives that aren't Fry's and Best Buy?

   No, but I'm also interested in learning if there is one. Amazon and Newegg
are good, but if there's a local vendor that's my first choice.

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Re: [PLUG] ENU,Inc R.I.P.

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 22:09:02 -0700
Neal  dijo:

>What was the big-time computer parts store across from their 122nd Ave
>site years ago? 

I don't remember the name of the store, but I was a regular customer.
Once I bought a computer from them because its motherboard could hold
16 Mb of RAM, an unheard of amount back then. The techs watched as it
booted and the POST went through all the RAM. None of them had ever
worked on a PC with that much RAM. It was shortly after that when I
started buying parts and building my own computers. 

And yeah, ENU will be missed, mostly because there is no good
alternative. It costs around $18 to drive from my house to Fry's and
back, which makes the prices at Amazon and Newegg look good.
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