Re: [PLUG] Info Interview Request for Linux Sys Admin training & employment?

[Vedanta Teacher]

Hu,

   I'll look at that too. I'm re-entering school winter
term for STEM but I'll look at that as well.

Blessings,
Paul W.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Mike C.  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've recently been accepted & enrolled into the RebootNW training
> program for long-term unemployed people through WorkSource Oregon. If
> you're interested to know more, you can check it out here =>
> http://www.rebootnw.org/
>
> I'm interested in getting training through the Linux Foundation, LPI,
> RHCE, Hack Oregon and potentiall more formal CS education in the future.
> In order for program participants to get funding for any training they
> must conduct an informational interview either with a potential employer
> or someone working in the targeted job role such as Linux Sys Admin
> and/or DevOps.
>
> There's 6 questions that need only a couple of sentences worth or a
> reply. This could be done by phone, email or in person w. a delicious
> beverage of your choice. My treat, of course!
>
> I need to have this completed by the end of the day Monday, September
> 18th in order to submit my scholarship application.
>
> Please let me know if you're interested and available in participating
> in this info interview or if you know of someone I should reach out to.
>
> Thank you for your time and consideration.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] HIPAA, FAX, regulations, EPA

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Pardon my interjecting..

HIPPA is all about backwards responsibility e.g. who has deep pockets.
We have people that leave HIPPA class info lying all over- But you can't
sue someone living on $10-11 per hour; they have nothing to take. So the
responsibility lies with the ownership (you should see how they handle
class 2 Narcs :0 )

Many years I did the maintenance for a Bank Data Center & check processing
center. All of the canceled checks were to be turned into pulp for
security.
Imagine our surprise when we received a call that hundreds if not thousands
of our checks were blowing around the streets (we sent them out by the
dumpster).
It was found that the Wearhauser   driver had not secured the lid to a
dumpster.

Many, Many years ago I did some of the initial building maintenance of HF 1
(they only had 2 buildings in Hillsboro back then) for Intel. Even at that
time
they trucked their florescent tubes to Massachusetts for 'Environmental
Disposal'.
They probably smashed them in a compactor as we would have but Intel
received a 'Certificate of Compliance' so no one could ever point a finger.

Good Grief Charlie Brown..

Blessings,
Paul W.




On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Keith Lofstrom  wrote:

> BTW, this aspect of the thread is drifting into plug-talk
> territory.  I keep it here because legislation will change
> how we are allowed to write and use do software.
>
>
> Keith wrote:
>
> KHL> Complications:  We've got a fax, which we use 3-5 times
> KHL> per month, for HIPAA-sensitive stuff.  No internet fax
> KHL> services are truly HIPAA compliant.
>
> On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 05:21:38PM -0500, Chuck Hast wrote:
>
> CH> I find that so funny since fax has been breakable ever since the
> druggers
> CH> used to send "orders" over hf using fax machines and very expensive SSB
> CH> radios, some using pilot carrier to lock both ends. HIPAA, banks and
> CH> insurance companies still use fax believing it is not hackable.
>
> Keith responds:
>
> Like all government mandates, HIPAA is not about safety
> or robustness, it is about adherence to a bureaucratic
> procedure, enriching lawyers and penalizing those who
> don't with huge fines.  The internet fax services
> purposely avoid HIPAA, but telcos are not allowed to.
>
> On a similar note ...
>
> My nephew arranges hazardous waste disposal for the
> National Institute of Health research centers in
> Bethesda, Maryland.  The worst part of his job is that
> the enabling legislation for the Environmental Protection
> Agency specified exactly which chemicals may be properly
> labelled and safely disposed of using EPA mandated
> procedures, and FORBIDS that any nonlisted chemical is
> labeled or handled in the same way.
>
> The chemicals listed in the legislation (decades ago)
> were chosen politically, with some awful toxins forced
> off the list by their well-connected manufacturers and
> users.  In the decades since the act was passed, many
> new chemicals are in play, and some of them are terrible.
> Researchers at NIH Bethesda sometimes use these toxins,
> and it is my nephew's task to figure out how to dispose of
> them, since the most responsible and safe disposal means
> are forbidden by law.  Sometimes, he is forced to put the
> crap down the drain and into the Chesapeake.  Sometimes,
> he works with the researchers to find less toxic ways to
> accomplish their goals.  He's starting to study for a law
> degree, with a long term goal of repairing the legislation.
> I hope his integrity survives.
>
> On topic moral:
>
> Don't write bad software, or politicians will force you
> to write even worse software.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Linux Widows Guide

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Humm...

   As a side issue I'll be returning to school for Software Engineering
& Embedded systems. Hoping to have some of my student loans
forgiven I was thinking of setting up something where we take given-away
computers and install a variant of Linux education for poor Montessori
programs,
charter schools, etc. that can afford nothing but free software.
  But then what? Even if I write scripts to auto update, remove extra
kernels,
etc. after a few years the systems would need work. I was thinking of
writing
a simply, lay flat, laminated, binder book with simple flow charts. E.g.
"If this
happens try these three things following the chart.." But again that would
be at least 2 years away.

Blessings,
Paul W.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Brian P. Martin <
plug...@martinconsulting.com> wrote:

>
> > We are considering a project over the next year:
> > writing a "Linux Widow's Guide".  Perhaps that title
> > is sexist;  I have met many competent women Linux
> > adepts, but none with a non-techy husband depending
> > on Linux systems that she exclusively maintains.
> > "Linux Widow(er)s Guide" seems clunky and harder for
> > a librarian to catalog, but might actually sell better.
> Yes, in my opinion, "Linux Widow's Guide" is sexist.  Also, it's
> unnecessarily narrow.  Besides widows and widowers, what about new
> divorcées, or families whose in-house tech-support's reserve unit got
> called up for a free trip to Afghanistan.  How about "Caring for your
> Linux system", possibly followed by "(when your tech-support person is
> gone)"?
>
> I'm actively not looking for projects right now.  Check back with me in
> six months and we'll see.
>
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Re: [PLUG] I'm shopping for hardware, what about Lenovo?

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Everyone,

  Thank You,
 I'll see about ordering a T570 next week...


Blessings,
Paul W.

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Bill Weiss <pdxli...@houdini.spum.us>
wrote:

> Bill Weiss(pdxli...@houdini.spum.us)@Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 06:12:25PM
> +:
> > Joe Shisei Niski(joeni...@gmail.com)@Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 09:51:48AM
> -0700:
> > >
> > > On 08/23/2017 07:16 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:53:49 -0700
> > > > Vedanta Teacher <orevedantateac...@gmail.com> dijo:
> > > >
> > > >> I was thinking about replacing it with a Lenovo ThinkPad T570:
> > > > Thinkpads are famous for reliability and Linux compatibility. But you
> > > > should also check out the offerings from System76.
> > >  Many thumbs up to System76 for for nice turnkey Linux laptops,
> > > responsive pre-sale staff willing and ready to answer questions, and
> > > good service. I reccomend that if you go this route , do a little
> > > research onthe OEM of the system ad  - I've purchased Clevo  (also sold
> > > as Sager and Alienware) hardware from them and never had a problem. Not
> > > sure what they're selling these days.
> >
> > I cannot more strongly recommend against System76.
> >
> > At my previous company we used them for desktops and laptops for a few
> > years. After a number of bad hardware problems (example: three desktops
> in
> > a row had their power supplies catch fire. Not figuratively, actual smoke
> > and fire) and their resulting lack of ability to fix those things (one of
> > those desktops was in their hands for more than a month for repairs,
> > during which we had to just buy another computer for that user so they
> > could work) I talked to the management to see what we could do about it
> > and the answer was "eh, we think it's probably a problem on your
> side."[1]
> > We put all the System76 machines on Craigslist and bought Dells to
> replace
> > them, which were fine.
> >
> > I hear pretty good things about Clevo/Sager, though if you go that route
> > you're the support and warranty department :) You can get replacement
> > parts cheap enough, but not super quick. Consider it buying a machine
> > built from NewEgg and you'll be fine.
>
> I forgot my [1] footnote: we had 100 people in that office, most with
> desktops. We had 3 power supply fires. Guess what the common thing among
> them was? We also had no other weird power issues: no monitors or TVs
> getting sad, no chargers being grumpy, etc. Also, all three of those
> machines had the same maker/model power supply.
>
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Re: [PLUG] I'm shopping for hardware, what about Lenovo?

[Vedanta Teacher]

The hard drive was tested and was fine.

Paul W.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Bill Barry <waba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 23, 2017 7:54 PM, "Vedanta Teacher" <orevedantateac...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Everyone,
>
>   My Dell Insperon 15.6" that I was going to use in school this
> September just died (the Motherboard no longer recognized
> the Hd).
>
>
> Are you sure it is not just a bad hard drive? Will it boot from a DVD or
> USB drive?
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> I need reliability & durability more than anything. I'll need it
> to last at least 1 year.
>
> I'll be going to school for Software Engineering & Embedded
> systems e.g. HTML, Perl, Unix, etc, etc.
>
> I was thinking about replacing it with a Lenovo ThinkPad T570:
>
> 15.6" display
>
> 32 GB DDR4 2133Mhz SoDIMM Ram
>
> For the hard drive they show :
>
> Intel 180GB SSD 2.5 SATA3,OPAL2.0
> or
> 512 GB SSD OPAL2.0 PCle-NVMe
>
> (The 1 Tb version is $140 more.)
>
> Q: What is the difference between
>
> SATA3,OPAL2.0 & PCle-NVMe?
>
> As an OS I'll probably be running Linux Mint, I just don't have
> time to tinker with new operating bases at this point.
>
> Blessings,
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Re: [PLUG] Ethereum Mining

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Merlin,

  Ethereum is a 'cripto-currency' like Bitcoin e.g. it's a
computer algorithm
based on blockchain. That opens the question of what currency is be it
sea-shells, cattle, gold or pretty pieces of paper like we use...

If you do it as a hobby keep it as such. Some Chinese adventurers &
others have set up racks of powerful computers to mine crypto-currency
so you would always loose in competition with them.

Run some quick searches on Firefox to learn more.

Blessings,
Paul W.

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 7:59 PM, Merlin Hold  wrote:

> I have been hearing a lot about Ethereum Mining over the past few years.  I
> don't know what it actually is and if I should use it on my computer.
>
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[PLUG] I'm shopping for hardware, what about Lenovo?

[Vedanta Teacher]

Everyone,

  My Dell Insperon 15.6" that I was going to use in school this
September just died (the Motherboard no longer recognized
the Hd).

I need reliability & durability more than anything. I'll need it
to last at least 1 year.

I'll be going to school for Software Engineering & Embedded
systems e.g. HTML, Perl, Unix, etc, etc.

I was thinking about replacing it with a Lenovo ThinkPad T570:

15.6" display

32 GB DDR4 2133Mhz SoDIMM Ram

For the hard drive they show :

Intel 180GB SSD 2.5 SATA3,OPAL2.0
or
512 GB SSD OPAL2.0 PCle-NVMe

(The 1 Tb version is $140 more.)

Q: What is the difference between

SATA3,OPAL2.0 & PCle-NVMe?

As an OS I'll probably be running Linux Mint, I just don't have
time to tinker with new operating bases at this point.

Blessings,
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Re: [PLUG] Selecting a SSD

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I'm doing this from memory ,and I've been up since 03:00 but, I think
the 850 EVO *comes* with encryption if you're interested in such
things.

  I have an 850 EVO that I put in an ASUS laptop that I've never
had a problem with.

Blessings,
Paul W.


On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> Great!  Thanks for all the responses.
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 7:55 PM, Pete Lancashire 
> wrote:
>
> > Rich said all that needs to be said
> >
> > > As long as you back up your /home and data you're covered
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Rich Shepard 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 22 Aug 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > >
> > > > Samsung was recommended here. I see $150 for their 850 EVO 480G, and
> > they
> > > > have a 5 Yr. warranty v.s. 3 Yr. for the other brands in that price
> > > range.
> > > > But a number of reviewers report terrible interactions with their
> > > warranty
> > > > support. Anybody here have similar issues? Is the likelihood of
> failure
> > > > low enough to ignore this issue? (My plan is to have the SSD my only
> > > > drive, and backup of data but not a duplicate of the system.)
> > >
> > > Denis,
> > >
> > >My experience since I bought my first Seagate 20M ST225 in 1985 is
> > > having
> > > one drive fail about a dozen years ago ... a WD Black 500G which the
> > > company
> > > immediately replaced. I suspect the truism that if electonics don't
> > quickly
> > > fail they'll last a long time still holds.
> > >
> > >I have the same Samsung 850 EVO 480G SSD in my Dell Latitude E5410
> > and a
> > > smaller Samsung 160G SSD in my Dell Latitude 2100. I don't think about
> > > failure of the drives.
> > >
> > >As long as you back up your /home and data you're covered ... except
> > for
> > > the time involved in replacing the failed drive and re-installing your
> > > favorite distribution.
> > >
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Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

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I must be getting old & cautious... I've started
researching compatibility issues as much as I
can before purchase.

Blessings,
Paul W.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> I found this from a 2013 posting:
> Lenovo ThinkCentre M92p only boots Windows or Redhat. Hard coded into UEFI.
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=MTIyOTg
> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20187.html?thread=774619
>
> If true, I may have to return this machine.
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Denis Heidtmann  >
> wrote:
>
> > Good idea.  I tried that.  I need to figure out how to get the machine to
> > look at the CD drive. It is a Lenovo ThinkCenter M92P (refurbished).
> >
> > -Denis
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Rich Shepard 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have no reason to run Win 10 (except as a guest) on the machine
> other
> >> > than to initially ensure myself that the machine is functioning
> >> properly.
> >>
> >> Denis,
> >>
> >>I cannot answer your other questions but I can suggest you use a live
> >> linux disk or flash drive to test the machine's functions. That'll also
> >> tell
> >> you if there are linux issues to be resolved later.
> >>
> >> Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Operation Status

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I wish you well. I've suffered on/off for several years
with Tachycardia & Arrhythmia. So, I know the feelings
of mortality.

Blessings,
Paul W.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Mark Phillips 
wrote:

> Alan,
>
> Glad to hear the surgery went well and you are on the mend!
>
> Mark
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Michael Rasmussen 
> wrote:
>
> > Welcome back to dying of old age, something we can all aspire to.
> >
> > On 2017-08-09 12:54, Alan wrote:
> > > The heart ablation surgery went very well. A few things need to heal,
> > > but I feel a lot better.  I have some bruises and a couple of holes
> > > that need to heal, but it all went much better than I expected.
> >
> >
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Re: [PLUG] PLUG Advanced Topics Volunteer?

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Everyone,

00: What about using the Tuesday evening meeting to
discus any needed changes in PLUG? Sorry for the
simplicity of logic.

01: Wes provided access @ FG Sunday so that option
still seems to work.

02: I don't "work in the field" so I wouldn't have the necessary
contacts. And working in health care I have wildly unstable
schedules & wouldn't have the necessary availability.

Blessings,

Paul W.


On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:12 AM, Michael Dexter 
wrote:

> On 3/19/17 9:27 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote:
> > I could not possibly manage advanced topics because I know so little
> > about the subject. But I wanted to take a moment to thank Michael for
> > all he has done for PLUG!
>
> You are welcome and thank YOU JJJ for your years of help. (Plus the
> great typesetting talk)
>
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Re: [PLUG] Wireless video cameras?

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www.krebsonsecurity.com just posted a piece of vulnerabilities
in DVR cameras.

  Personally I will not be joining the IoT.
I'm doing this from memory but, in the Mayan *Popol Vuh* (yes I have a copy
& I've read it)
the Maya are attacked
by their household goods; chairs, tables, pots, pans, etc. With my cell
phone & TV already
spying on me & a leaky IP address I don't want to add to the mix...

Peace & joy to you all,

Paul W.

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

>A while ago someone exploded a small pipe bomb in my mailbox. While this
> is the first incident of its type in the 24 years I've lived here past
> performance is no guarantee of future behaviors. And, I have a couple of
> vehicles parked outside (one in the driveway the other along the curb).
> Neighborhood vandalism seems to be increasing in spots around the
> metropolitan area and where the next acts occur cannot be predicted.
>
>Given the hackability of many IoT devices, I would like to purchase a
> securable color video camera I can mount outside that would record when
> started by a motion sensor (like my exterior garage light) and transmit
> results to my desktop server.
>
>Is such hardware and suitable linux software available? Recommendations
> and advice are needed.
>
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[PLUG] Apt-get is corrupted?

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Greetings,


   A few weeks ago I gave a system (ASUS laptop, 4 gig ram, 250 gig SSD)
in Linux mint 18.0 and not knowing what to do she downloaded things directly
from the internet (I did encourage her to take classes @ FG). Now the system
will not update and the message comes up 'apt-get is corrupted' . She also
has problems with the HDMI connection not recognizing an external monitor
(she wants to watch things on her laptop projected on her TV , mine worked
just fine on the same connection).

I pulled things on the news groups and people suggested:

apt-get -f install

sudo apt-get install -f

sudo dpkg --configure -a

I don't know if anything in Synaptic will work.

If not I'll teach her how to do a fresh install.


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Re: [PLUG] [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] Clinic on Sunday

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Wes,
 11 January 2017

   I gave a friend a system in Linux Mint 18.0 and she unknowingly
downloaded
something wrong and now the error "APT get is corrupted" . She may need a
fresh install.

   Having said that there is 1' + of snow today where I live in North
Portland
so I'm not sure she'll make it (I work that day) but I will encourage her
if she
is able.

  The Linux mascot is a Penguin so I bet its good in the snow...

Blessings,
Paul W.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:57 AM, wes  wrote:

> Reminder, the Linux Clinic is this Sunday, 1-5pm. Bring your ailing
> systems or questions and we will try to help, or at least get you pointed
> in a useful direction.
>
> Free Geek
> 1731 SE 10th Ave
> Portland, OR 97214
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Re: [PLUG] Mint 18.0 Cinnamon 64-bit: Message 'Boot is Full'

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I have to work the day of the clinic but I will bring it in
after work. In thinking about it the system probably
 has several kernel images due to upgrades.
Modifying a kernel or boot is above my skills but I'll
see what I can do.

Blessings,
Paul W.

On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Jim Karlock <jjkarl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> At 04:39 PM 11/13/2016, Vedanta Teacher wrote:
> >Everyone,
> >
> >I'm running a relatively new HP Pavilion desktop with:
> >Mint 18.0 Cinnamon 64-bit
> >Version 3.0.7
> >Linux Kernel 4.4.0-47-generic
> >AMD A8 CPU
> >RAM 14.6
> >HD 945.9GB
> >
> >Yesterday it threw a message at my of: Boot is Full
> >
> >I've used the default installation settings for Boot & Grub.
> >
> >**
> >I did a quick search on Chromium and some people recommended:
> >
> >apt-get -f install
> >apt-get clean
> >dpkg
> >
> >I searched the Mint site and some recommendations were:
> >
> >Using the Synaptic Package Manager to remove old kernel
> >images (but I'd need to know which ones...)
> >
> >**
> >Question:
> >
> >I must be having a senior moment... Is there a quick easy way
> >to remove the unneeded items or, just make the Boot partition larger?
> >I'm no super user but I can run some simple command lines.
> >
> >There are some files on this machine that I'd like to save.
>
> Don't forget that you can remove the hard drive and read it on
> another computer with a USB adapter.
>
> Thanks
> JK
>
>
> >If I totally bonk things I do have a laptop running 17.3 that
> >I can use.
> >
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[PLUG] Mint 18.0 Cinnamon 64-bit: Message 'Boot is Full'

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Everyone,

   I'm running a relatively new HP Pavilion desktop with:
Mint 18.0 Cinnamon 64-bit
Version 3.0.7
Linux Kernel 4.4.0-47-generic
AMD A8 CPU
RAM 14.6
HD 945.9GB

Yesterday it threw a message at my of: Boot is Full

I've used the default installation settings for Boot & Grub.

**
I did a quick search on Chromium and some people recommended:

apt-get -f install
apt-get clean
dpkg

I searched the Mint site and some recommendations were:

Using the Synaptic Package Manager to remove old kernel
images (but I'd need to know which ones...)

**
Question:

I must be having a senior moment... Is there a quick easy way
to remove the unneeded items or, just make the Boot partition larger?
I'm no super user but I can run some simple command lines.

There are some files on this machine that I'd like to save.
If I totally bonk things I do have a laptop running 17.3 that
I can use.

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Re: [PLUG] Linux Laptop Recommendation

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Beware that some new laptops are 'sealed' e.g. you can't
open them with a screwdriver. I have an ASUS lap top wherein
you have to pry open the corner with a screwdriver and slide a credit
card or something around the perimeter 'breaking the plastic clips loose';
sometimes the clips break off.

I wanted to add RAM but it was soldered in place and could not be upgraded.

The battery was also sealed inside the case so you couldn't pop it out.

If you think you'll ever need to upgrade RAM, hard drive, etc. I'd go to
your
favorite store and physically handle the item in question.

Also note that some manufactures 'lock out' the BIOS.
Quick web searches on particular models might save some grief.

Blessings,
Paul W.

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 11:46 PM, Michael Barnes 
wrote:

> I may be in the market for a new, inexpensive laptop for Linux. Nothing
> fancy, but would like something relatively current. I'm looking for
> something fairly lightweight and small, in the 10-11 inch range. I'd like
> to completely wipe it and install a fresh Linux distro, probably Ubuntu to
> start with. I know in the past, the Asus eee laptop was fairly popular. I
> don't really want to spend a lot on this.
>
> Thanks for any ideas,
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Re: [PLUG] Web site URL points to localhost

[Vedanta Teacher]

I almost wondered if this was going to start just before
the election as a "tech October Surprise". If you cut people
off from information, communication, etc. you control what
they know and hopefully their vote. Just like the Agents Provocateurs
in many critical US cities seem well funded and coordinated (as well
as being bused in)- There are those who profit from chaos.

The Ancient Greeks said: " People get the government they deserve".
As long as the Cardassians (?) are better known than the candidates
& issues nothing will change.

Blessings,
Paul W.

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Sep 2016, King Beowulf wrote:
>
> > Akamai and others don't protect against this sort of attack because there
> > simply is no business case to support the expenditure (Don't even get me
> > started on Yahoo). Not only do we need to be more cognizant of our own
> > personal security, but we need to force private enterprise to do the
> same.
> > The network backbone is now required infrastructure - just as important
> as
> > roads/bridges and the electric grid.
>
>Brian's site is back up using Google's security. Read all of today's
> article to get the full story. It's both interesting and troubling; wonder
> if there are things we can do as individuals to reduce vulnerabilities.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Another reason to NOT buy HP

[Vedanta Teacher]

I had a similar problem with MS turning off my Word and Office
functions by remote after I had purchased a full licence & demanding
blackmail,  er.. more money to turn the software back on.
What it came down to for me was this:
If I write something in MS Word who owns the intellectual property
rights? I think MS does. So, I switched to Libre Office.

Blessings,
Paul W

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Sep 2016, King Beowulf wrote:
>
> >> HP just made it impossible to use third-party ink in its printers
> > --snip---
>
> > Also, over the decades, I've had mixed experiences with 3rd-party ink.
> > For lasers, in an FDA CGMP regulated pharmaceutical lab, HP cartridges
> > on good archival paper were always superior. The front office used
> > cheaper generics where the fused ink tended to flake off the page. For
> > inkjets, generic cartridges tended to clog more often and the ink tended
> > to bleed on the page.
>
>FWIW, I buy refilled HP laser cartridges for both the LJ-5 monochome
> and 2550L
> color at Cartridge World and they've all worked great for me. My inkjet
> experience (with an large format HP deskjet) was not happy because I used
> it
> infrequently and the print heads would clog. Heads and color cartridges
> were
> separate and cost $75 each; that's an expensive replacement cost.
>
>Ed's correct that many of us print infrequently. I'll stick with my old
> HP
> laser printers as long as I can.
>
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Re: [PLUG] internet buffer bloat

[Vedanta Teacher]

I was looking at W3M from emacs. I just have an overly
full plate at the moment.

BTW emacs looks fascinating

Blessings,
Paul W.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 6:33 AM, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Sep 2016, Vedanta Teacher wrote:
>
> > Hummm, this is interesting. I was speaking with Wes at the last PLUG lab
> > and I pointed out that I'd been on the internet since 1986 when I was
> > using Jughead (?) Gopher (?) and pulling FTP files off of the web. And in
> > many ways the web was just as fast back then because we didn't have
> Flash,
> > Java etc. clogging the bandwith. As soon as I learn some command line
> > functions I may go exclusively to text based browsers to circumvent these
> > issues.
>
>I, too, used archie and veronica to find and download ftp files before
> the
> Web was invented. I am aware of three text-based web browsers: links, lynx,
> and emacs (the text editor that has everything, including the kitchen
> sink).
>
>Lynx is useful with an application's help pages are all in .html.
>
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Re: [PLUG] internet buffer bloat

[Vedanta Teacher]

Hummm, this is interesting. I was speaking with Wes at the
last PLUG lab and I pointed out that I'd been on the internet
since 1986 when I was using Jughead (?) Gopher (?) and
pulling FTP files off of the web. And in many ways the web
was just as fast back then because we didn't have Flash, Java
etc. clogging the bandwith. As soon as I learn some command
line functions I may go exclusively to text based browsers to
circumvent these issues.

Blessings,

Paul W.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Russell Senior 
wrote:

> > "Bill" == Bill Barry  writes:
>
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Galen Seitz  wrote:
>
> Galen> Here's fascinating blog post by Jim Gettys, one of the creators
> Galen> of the X Window System, and a Bell Labs employee.  In it he
> Galen> describes how the internet is being crippled by excessive
> Galen> buffering.
> Galen> https://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/whose-house-is-of-
> Galen> glasse-must-not-throw-stones-at-another/
>
> Galen> Here's the corresponding LWN article.
> Galen> http://lwn.net/Articles/418918/#Comments
>
> Bill> Some good work has been done since this article came out.  Version
> Bill> 15 of openwrt has available a couple of packages which implement a
> Bill> system called Smart Queue Management that does a good job of
> Bill> mitigating bufferbloat.  The packages are sqm-scripts and a
> Bill> corresponding luci-app-sqm.
>
> Bill> Here is a page about installing and tuning them.
> Bill> https://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/sqm
>
> Bill> There is even a youtube video showing the installation procedure.
> Bill> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvYhifdQ92Q
>
> CoDel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoDel) has been the standard
> network scheduler in OpenWrt/LEDE for a few years.  It was introduced
> into OpenWrt in May 2012 and made fq_codel the default queue discipline
> in April 2013, at least in trunk (I don't use standard releases, so I'm
> not sure when those changed).  You should get it out-of-the-box for any
> release later than that.
>
> As a result (as well as improved behavior of client software), we
> generally don't see any problems with bittorrent at Personal Telco nodes
> anymore.  There was a time when I needed to intervene occasionally "to
> protect the network" from bad behavior (mostly upstream bandwidth
> saturation and queue filling), but I haven't needed to for so long I've
> almost forgotten how.  We do still discourage bittorrent on public
> networks, but I'm not sure it's really necessary anymore.
>
> Gettys was at a Community Wireless Summit I attended in Barcelona in
> 2012, and gave a talk about it.
>
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Re: [PLUG] SSD unhappiness

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John,

  I'm running Mint 17.3 , 64 bit on a platter HDD and have had
no issues since installation on a brand new machine. I don't
know how old the T-410 series is but I'd back up and replace.
Actually I've found 17.3 to be amazingly stable, more stable
than my machine running PC-BSD 10.2.

Blessings,
Paul W.

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 9:27 PM, Chuck Hast  wrote:

> I got this same error on a rotating platter, I was able to run fdsk on it
> and
> recover from it, it happened several times got fed up with the whole thing,
> finally the HD died, I replaced it with a new HD, a few days later got it
> again,
> at that point I backed up everything and moved my home directories to
> another HD, I had a copy of Ubuntu Mate, put it on the new HD, I have had
> not issues since. Not sure what was going on but the change to Ubuntu
> Mate 64 seems to have cleared it up, I had the same sort of experience a
> couple of times with a laptop running Mint so replaced it with Ubuntu Mate
> too. Have had no issues since.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 5:55 PM, John Bartley K7AAY j...@503bartley.com <
> john.bart...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > After my Mint 17.3 64-bit freezes, a shell window appears on my T-410s
> > with:
> >
> > EXT4-fs error (device sda1) : ext4_find_entry:1309: inode #3022867: comm
> > mdm: reading directory lblock 0
> > EXT4-fs (sda1) : previous I/O error to superblock detected
> > Buffer I/O error on device sda1,  logical block 0
> > end_request: I/O error,  dev sda,  sector 83392504
> > (repeat last line 14 more times with other sectors)
> >
> > Is it SSD replacement time?  If so,  how immediately? Yesterday? Have
> > removed drive and mounted in an ExtraBay in an X300 to backup data while
> > the barn door is closed and the equine scampers off.
> >
> > 73s & best regards de K7AAY
> >
> > 73s & best regards de K7AAY
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Re: [PLUG] Cannot get to printer

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If it is any relief to you CUPS has caused me grief as well.

Paul W.

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> Well, after much fussing without any progress, I used Synaptic to install
> cups.  Now before you say "duh", let me explain.  Synaptic lists many
> cup- . cups is described as the scheduler, and not installed.
> But it also lists it as conflicts with cups.  What sense does that make?
> Anyway, no change was observed after the install.  So I shut down and wrote
> some notes.  Booted back up and Bingo!  The printer was magically present
> without any hesitation.  Incidentally I also upgraded a dozen or so
> packages.
>
> So what is this scheduler stuff?  What is this conflicts with cups?  Any
> ideas on how it went away (other than operator error)?
>
> Thanks to all those who tried to help.  And apologies to those whose
> reading time was taken up by this saga.
>
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[PLUG] Local Domain Hosting ? A semi-newbie question

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Everyone,

  I was thinking of setting up a local Domain and/or website so
that I can have my own email and DROP gmail, hotmail, etc.
so that the email would be something like:

  b...@blabla.com
 or
   b...@wolfie.org
or
   rav...@idiot.com

or something like that. I don't necessarily want anything on the
webpage aside from a front page and a message that no one
is home.

Also I hope to set up a non 14 eyes VPN in the next week or two
so I world need to be able to access everything through a VPN.

Education, hints, suggestions, flame war are appreciated in advance.

Blessings,

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Re: [PLUG] NAS System suggestions

[Vedanta Teacher]

This may or may not help... but ixsystems sells a FreeNAS Mimi
with 4 bays for $999 @ https://www.ixsystems.com/freenas-mini/
I've never used the FreeNAS OS myself .

Blessings,
Paul W.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 9:04 PM, John Jason Jordan 
wrote:

> I need a NAS system which includes a two-bay enclosure capable of
> holding two 6TB drives, and I want to start out with just one 6TB
> drive. From my research so far I have determined that Western
> Digital red drives are the best for this application, so the WD
> WD60EFRX drive is at the top of my list. Suggestions for alternatives
> are welcome.
>
> The enclosure, however, is a point of major confusion. It's amazing how
> little actual information manufacturers web site give you. I'm sick of
> reading how many photos of my loved ones I can place on the device.
>
> Since I'm leaning toward the WD drive above, WD enclosures would be
> my first choice. Western Digital sells enclosures, but as far as I can
> tell they only sell them as a unit with drives, i.e., if I buy a two-bay
> enclosure it will come with two drives.
>
> My major confusions about the enclosures are about all the various
> software features that they come with. My house is wired with Cat6
> ethernet, but all my computers are Linux only. None of the web sites
> tell me much about the software on the enclosure. But maybe I just need
> to plan to nuke the software the enclosure comes with and replace it
> with open source bits.
>
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[PLUG] Linux, The Russian military & North Korea: Linux is everywhere....

[Vedanta Teacher]

Wow,

  I just found out that the Russian Military uses a modified Linux
in : www.astra-linux.com

 I already knew that North Korea used Linux (dubbed Red Star)
with a KDE interface.

Linux truly is everywhere.

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Re: [PLUG] Subject matter for a talk?

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I can't lead it, I have nothing prepared. But if there is a round table
I would like to attend. I'm sorry.

Paul W.

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Michael Dexter <dex...@ambidexter.com>
wrote:

> On 5/16/16 2:38 PM, Vedanta Teacher wrote:
> >That would be nice. I haven't used it yet but I was pondering trying
> > OpenBSD in VirtualBox but that's a double learning curve. I have a
> > similar Dell machine running PC-BSD so the architecture would be
> > close.
>
> So, have a Tuesday meeting or cancel?
>
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Re: [PLUG] Subject matter for a talk?

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Michael,

  That would be nice. I haven't used it yet but I was pondering trying
OpenBSD in VirtualBox but that's a double learning curve. I have a
similar Dell machine running PC-BSD so the architecture would be
close.

Thank You,
Paul Williams

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Michael Dexter <dex...@ambidexter.com>
wrote:

> On 5/15/16 10:44 AM, Vedanta Teacher wrote:
> > I'm still grappling with OpenBSD and just will not be
> > ready by May 17th. It is my nature to prepare well
> > so I'll work out some sort of outline on PC-BSD
> > or my experiences with OpenBSD and post it to
> > the group or send it directly to you.
>
> Oh. I was about to announce an installers roundtable. I am happy to talk
> about the one I have written for virtual machines.
>
> I can bring a ThinkPad for OpenBSD if you like...
>
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Re: [PLUG] Subject matter for a talk?

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We worked on this for hours yesterday and never got OpenBSD to seat
on the hard drive. We tried various releases including 6.0 but nothing
worked.
Wes was kind enough to burn and try FreeBSD but when we rebooted it
said there was no OS on the hard drive. We came to the conclusion that
the hardware was too new; its a Dell Insperon 3000 series, model 3558,
and there is no support yet.
  I have a live CD coming and it should be here in several weeks so I'll try
that next. If that doesn't work I have a 6+ year old Lenovo lap top that I
need to dissemble and repair to try as well.  If I have time tonight I'll
look
at the tech postings @ OpenBSD and see if others have had similar issues.

Thank You,
Paul W.

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Michael Dexter <dex...@ambidexter.com>
wrote:

>
> Top posting...
>
> Indeed the 17th and indeed this would be a good topic. I am happy to
> show what I have been doing to build FreeBSD virtual machines for bhyve
> given that early on, that was the only way to get guests to work.
>
> Would you like to come up with a more detailed description or shall I?
>
> About subject matter... there is a flood of it. I have just been short
> on time coordinating people. However, on-list proposals like this are
> very appreciated.
>
> Michael Dexter
> PLUG Volunteer
>
> On 5/12/16 7:19 AM, Vedanta Teacher wrote:
> > Everyone,
> >
> >Was the next talk Tuesday the 17th @ Free Geek?
> >
> > I can see that Michael D. does many of the talks and its difficult
> > to find subject matter. What about a round table about non-traditional
> > methods of installing Linux & BSD?
> >
> >If you've seen my posts on installing OpenBSD it might be interesting.
> > The options for installing OpenBSD are endless; openSuse, I think
> > offers Leap & Tumble weed but no live CD, PC-BSD is happy
> > to sell you a Live CD. The question for anyone entering Open Source
> > is where to begin?
> >
> > By the way; as a side discussion I've found Dell to be very good
> about
> > posting support pages on modifying its BIOS/UEFI and the BIOS
> > is very easy to modify for installation. Other manufactures are not
> > so helpful...
> >
> > Thank You,
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Re: [PLUG] Subject matter for a talk?

[Vedanta Teacher]

I also use PC-BSD which is also a security oriented release.
Before I installed it I read: The Definitive Guide to PC-BSD
by Dru Lavigine which was a great pre-installation help.

Paul W.

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Michael Dexter 
wrote:

> On 5/12/16 8:41 AM, a...@clueserver.org wrote:
> > I am considering doing a talk on Qubes OS. It is very interesting, but
> the
> > documentation is vague. Once I have a better handle on configuring the
> > damn thing.
> >
> > Qubes is a high security OS where everything runs under a hypervisor.
>
> June first Thursday?
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Re: [PLUG] Subject matter for a talk?

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I'm still grappling with OpenBSD and just will not be
ready by May 17th. It is my nature to prepare well
so I'll work out some sort of outline on PC-BSD
or my experiences with OpenBSD and post it to
the group or send it directly to you.

Paul W.

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Michael Dexter <dex...@ambidexter.com>
wrote:

>
> Top posting...
>
> Indeed the 17th and indeed this would be a good topic. I am happy to
> show what I have been doing to build FreeBSD virtual machines for bhyve
> given that early on, that was the only way to get guests to work.
>
> Would you like to come up with a more detailed description or shall I?
>
> About subject matter... there is a flood of it. I have just been short
> on time coordinating people. However, on-list proposals like this are
> very appreciated.
>
> Michael Dexter
> PLUG Volunteer
>
> On 5/12/16 7:19 AM, Vedanta Teacher wrote:
> > Everyone,
> >
> >Was the next talk Tuesday the 17th @ Free Geek?
> >
> > I can see that Michael D. does many of the talks and its difficult
> > to find subject matter. What about a round table about non-traditional
> > methods of installing Linux & BSD?
> >
> >If you've seen my posts on installing OpenBSD it might be interesting.
> > The options for installing OpenBSD are endless; openSuse, I think
> > offers Leap & Tumble weed but no live CD, PC-BSD is happy
> > to sell you a Live CD. The question for anyone entering Open Source
> > is where to begin?
> >
> > By the way; as a side discussion I've found Dell to be very good
> about
> > posting support pages on modifying its BIOS/UEFI and the BIOS
> > is very easy to modify for installation. Other manufactures are not
> > so helpful...
> >
> > Thank You,
> > Paul W.
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[PLUG] Subject matter for a talk?

[Vedanta Teacher]

Everyone,

  Was the next talk Tuesday the 17th @ Free Geek?

   I can see that Michael D. does many of the talks and its difficult
to find subject matter. What about a round table about non-traditional
methods of installing Linux & BSD?

  If you've seen my posts on installing OpenBSD it might be interesting.
The options for installing OpenBSD are endless; openSuse, I think
offers Leap & Tumble weed but no live CD, PC-BSD is happy
to sell you a Live CD. The question for anyone entering Open Source
is where to begin?

   By the way; as a side discussion I've found Dell to be very good about
posting support pages on modifying its BIOS/UEFI and the BIOS
is very easy to modify for installation. Other manufactures are not
so helpful...

Thank You,
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Re: [PLUG] Does anyone have experience installing OpenBSD and/or a Live CD I could use?

[Vedanta Teacher]

Neal,

   Thank you, I'll try that too. I did have one CD that only had a [
install59.iso ]
file. I'll try what you suggested in the morning.

  I feel like I need Star Trek music or something...

Paul W.

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 9:12 PM, Neal  wrote:

> Wild guess here but you should only have the .iso image of the install
> CD on the computer you're using to burn the CD. You need to burn the
> .iso file to the CD _as an ISO image_, not burn the .iso file itself.
> Usually CD burning software gives you the option, and Windows even has
> it built-in, or did last time I checked, but right-clicking on the
> file in file explorer.
>
> Once you burn the image to the CD the right way there will be,
> guessing again, hundreds or thousands of files on the CD itself, not
> one big multi-hundred megabyte .iso file.
>
> I hope this is of use to you and good luck!
>
> NealS
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Re: [PLUG] Does anyone have experience installing OpenBSD and/or a Live CD I could use?

[Vedanta Teacher]

David,

  Indeed, I poured through the Man pages & I have a copy of
Absolute OpenBSD and I followed the instructions as closely
as I could.

  I was just pondering if I should install 5.8 & Xenocara (I have
a second post on Xenocara) , see how it works and take it
from there. I did still want to install of the proper dependencies.

Thank You,

Paul W.

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 7:44 PM, David <dafr+p...@dafr.us> wrote:

> On 05/11/2016 06:59 PM, Vedanta Teacher wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> >Does anyone have experience installing OpenBSD for civilian use
> and/or a
> > Live CD set?
> >
> > I have a relatively new Dell Insperon lap top W/6 gigs RAM and 1 TB HDD .
> > 3000 series,
> > model 3558., Intel i3-5051U so, I'm 99.9%+ sure its an AMD64 type of
> chip.
> >
> > #0: I don't have a Live CD so I tried to download the 5.9 version from a
> > HTTP mirror
> > in San Francisco ( http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.9/amd64/ ). I
> > burned it to
> > a CD but it didn't work. I've gone all of the way from just trying :
> > install59.iso
> > to burning and trying all of the images on the:
> > Index of/pub/OpenBSD/5.9/amd64
> > but nothing worked.
>
>
> 
>
> Unfortunately, I have no (or at least not recent) experience with
> installation of OpenBSD.
>
> Have you consulted the README and INSTALL.amd64 files? (No snarkiness
> intended here.)
>
> <http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.9/README>
> <http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.9/amd64/INSTALL.amd64>
>
> It appears there are some "gotcha" issues with this release per the
> README, and the second file gives you the information to use
> install59.iso to create the necessary bootable media.
>
> I don't recall the exact cli command using dd to create the CD, or I'd
> pass that on here. If you have other software burning software, you can
> use that, or the dd command is easy to locate with your favorite search
> engine if needed.
>
> There are also directions to create a bootable USB as well.
>
> Hopefully this gets you going in the right direction.
>
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[PLUG] Installing OpenBSD & Xenocara ...

[Vedanta Teacher]

Everyone,

  I had forgotten, I did also want to install Xenocara,  the graphical
face for OpenBSD. I am learning terminal commands but it
will take me a while to get up to speed but I am looking forward
to it.

Thank You,

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[PLUG] Does anyone have experience installing OpenBSD and/or a Live CD I could use?

[Vedanta Teacher]

Greetings,

  Does anyone have experience installing OpenBSD for civilian use and/or a
Live CD set?

I have a relatively new Dell Insperon lap top W/6 gigs RAM and 1 TB HDD .
3000 series,
model 3558., Intel i3-5051U so, I'm 99.9%+ sure its an AMD64 type of chip.

#0: I don't have a Live CD so I tried to download the 5.9 version from a
HTTP mirror
in San Francisco ( http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.9/amd64/ ). I
burned it to
a CD but it didn't work. I've gone all of the way from just trying :
install59.iso
to burning and trying all of the images on the:
Index of/pub/OpenBSD/5.9/amd64
but nothing worked.

#1: I do have other live CD's so I popped the one for OpenSUSE in and the
message
"Welcome to Grub" popped up. So I have the UEFI/BIOS configured correctly.
(Blessings to Dell for having such awesome support pages & BIOS settings-
IMHO they are much better that ASUS or HP .)

#2: I'm thinking that I'm pulling & burning the wrong images from HTTP but
I just
don't have enough experience on pulling things off of mirror sites and
making them
work.

#3: I will be at the clinic Sunday with the machine & an extra machine to
burn
images. I'm open to ideas. *But, Don't Do It For Me *, just show me how. If
you
do it for me I'll never learn.

Finally, before everybody flames me just remember. Unlike people that sit on
a distro for years and never change, I'm always willing to push the limits
of my
knowledge, take chances and learn new things. And everybody was a newbie
at some point, I'm just a newbie @ OpenBSD.

Blessings,
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Re: [PLUG] Tuesday Advanced Topics?

[Vedanta Teacher]

Hari Om,

   One basic rule in churches is that 5% of the people do 95% of the work
(I know, in some ways
I helped set up a Hindu Temple). I think the same rule would apply to any
volunteer organization.
That also means the more you put into it the more you get out of it and
that's why organizations
survive long term - people are stronger as groups than as individuals. I'm
reading a book about
the growth of the cult of Mithra in the Roman empire and all the same rules
applied at that time.
**
  I couldn't give the talk but for the future I was wondering about a
discussion about people using
non-standard operating systems for daily use and how they deal with the
paucity of information.
For example; I have one system in Ubuntu 14.04, another in Mint 17.3 Rosa
which have a wealth
of support and information and are user friendly. I also have a system in
PC-BSD and would like to
set up a system in Open BSD (I'm reading Absolute OpenBSD by Michael Lucas)
neither is
very user friendly but I'm attracted to the power, security and stability
(in my mind) those systems
offer.

Anyway, it was just a thought.

Peace to you all,
Paul

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Michael Dexter 
wrote:

>
> Hello all,
>
> Does anyone have a fresh project they want to discuss formally or
> informally at PLUG Advanced Topics next week?
>
> If I'm on the hook... I would prefer have a roundtable about
> volunteering for things like PLUG to help my LinuxFest NW presentation.
>
> Why do things like PLUG or the Latvian Center or any other largely or
> all-volunteer group continue for decades through the thick and thin?
>
> Why did LFNW exist when "Linux pretty much sucked" and still exists when
> Linux is everywhere? It's just what we do!
>
> Worth talking about?
>
> Michael Dexter
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Re: [PLUG] Linux Clinic this Sunday

[Vedanta Teacher]

I actually have a day off ... I'll meet you all there.

Paul

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 10:18 PM, wes  wrote:

> Come one, come all, to Free Geek on Sunday between 1pm and 5pm!
>
> Bring your questions and computers and we will try to make sure you leave
> with different ones! (Hopefully just different questions but sometimes it
> gets weird)
>
> Looking for both volunteers to help others and those seeking assistance.
> Many people fill both roles! This could be you!
>
> 1731 SE 10th Ave
> Portland, OR 97214
>
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[PLUG] Any thoughts on installing KDE/Plasma on a Solid State (sans HD) Laptop

[Vedanta Teacher]

Everyone,

  I was thinking of picking up a solid state lap top with no physical HD
and installing KDE/Plasma. From what I've read and heard KDE is a
bit resource hungry but its been around a long time and the support
seems stable.

I don't know if there are issues installing KDE on a solid state.

 I was looking for a clean, no clutter, no hassle OS and desktop
(please God no more dancing paper clips..) and KDE seemed a
good choice as well as having custom settings. I thought about
FreeBSD I just haven't had time to research it.

I already have multiple computers:
#1: ASUS laptop in Ubuntu Unity 14.04
#2: HP solid state in win 8.x
#3: HP all in one in win 8.x
#4: Lenovo laptop (think pad) in win 7.x (I may reformat and convert to
Mint)

And yes, I do like to tinker, that's why I like F.O.S.S.
I'm not phrasing this correctly but I'm looking for a OS/desktop for
a mature adult. I don't need or want pop up adds for rap videos, womens
kickers , hand holding or the like.

Blessings,
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Re: [PLUG] Any thoughts on installing KDE/Plasma on a Solid State (sans HD) Laptop

[Vedanta Teacher]

You unintentionally did a very nice thing. I belong to a local Hindu
temple: Chinmaya Mission.
The Chinmaya Mission is worldwide. There is a chartable arm called
www.cordusa.org
They provide free schooling, nursing schools, orphanages, farming
expertise, micro loans,
etc. Some 65% of rural India is illiterate, has no electricity, running
water , etc. I'll forward the
info on the Raspberry PI to our US coordinator. The Raspberry PI is
something that might
be very useful in schools in rural India. You did your good deed for the
day.

Blessings

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Tyrell Jentink <tyr...@jentink.net> wrote:

> I feel a strong need to clarify your intent...  You DO intend to have a
> storage device, right?
>
> Because "Sans hard drive" and "Solid State" don't NECESSARILY add up to
> "I'm using a Solid State Disk..."
>
> The way I see it, there are two ways of interpreting your request:
>
> 1) You are buying a computer that has had the hard drive removed (Or,
> possibly one that never had a hard drive to begin with), and the intent is
> to boot the device off of a thumb drive or possibly the network (PXE
> Boot).  This would be "Solid state," in that it has no moving parts, but
> the entire OS gets loaded into RAM, and a USB or network storage device is
> used for all permanent storage. IN WHICH CASE, you will want to optimize
> you're system for high network throughput, and you probably WON'T want to
> use KDE.  I do NOT assume this is what you are after, because that is a
> pretty big undertaking for a Linux beginner.
>
> 2) You are buying a computer that has a Solid State Disk (Or your buying a
> computer that matches the above description, and you intend to ADD a solid
> state disk). From the OS installation and hardware provisioning
> perspective, this approach is nearly indiscernible from an installation on
> a Hard Disk Drive (Although, there are File System optimizations for Solid
> State disks, like "Trim,"and others have touched on that).
>
> With regard to your choice of KDE as your desktop environment: KDE has long
> been my Desktop Environment of choice... I have been using it since the
> KDE2 days, and I find it to be functional to my needs, and I find it to be
> stable.  But people looking for simplicity and high performance are usually
> NOT drawn to KDE, citing that KDE has an emphasis on pretty effects and
> Windows-like UI elements, over tried-and-tested technologies and
> interoperability; KDE is arguably one of the most bloated, system resource
> intensive desktop environments available; I wouldn't try running it on a
> Raspberry Pi, for example. I would probably not try running it with Option
> 1 above, either.
>
> Even Gnome, which has been getting heavier and has been becoming
> increasingly controversial with regard to features, still has a reputation
> for being more stable and higher performance. Even so, I STILL wouldn't run
> it on a Raspberry Pi, although it might be acceptable in Option 1 above.
>
> LXDE and XFCE are still the kings of light system resource utilization and
> high performance, and have far fewer parts to fail.  Tinkerers tend to like
> LXDE in particular for it's high customization.  LXDE is what I use on my
> Raspberry Pi, and if I ever get around to playing with PXE booting, I would
> probably use it there, too.
>
> I'm not trying to sway you from your decision; After all, I'm a KDE user,
> and I want EVERYONE to agree with me that it is the best... I just want to
> make sure you have thought this through, and aren't just basing your
> opinion on screenshots. There's really nothing wrong with giving KDE a go,
> and if you dislike it, change up later... I just hate to see people get
> stuck in a routine before exploring the playing field.
>
> --
> Tyrell Jentink
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Wayne E. Van Loon <w...@pacifier.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Paul:
> > I recently installed Slackware 14.1 KDE on a SanDisk Extreme Pro 2.5"
> > 240GB SATA III SSD. Works fine, just like a magnetic drive.
> > Wayne
> >
> > On 02/05/2016 10:02 AM, Vedanta Teacher wrote:
> > > Everyone,
> > >
> > >I was thinking of picking up a solid state lap top with no physical
> HD
> > > and installing KDE/Plasma. From what I've read and heard KDE is a
> > > bit resource hungry but its been around a long time and the support
> > > seems stable.
> > >
> > > I don't know if there are issues installing KDE on a solid state.
> > >
> > >   I was looking for a clean, no clutter, no hassle OS and desktop
> > > (please God no more dancing paper clips..) and KDE seemed a
> > > good choice as 

[PLUG] What role could or should the Open Source Software community play in the 2016 election?

[Vedanta Teacher]

Blessings,

  Let me begin by saying that I haven't belonged to a political party
beginning in 1985-1989 (?)
and have voted independently from that time so I have no ax to grind.

There are multiple accusations of vote fixing or manipulation in Iowa by MS
through a "free"
app. "Free" as in spy ware. How can closed source, proprietary source code
be used to
count something as critical as votes in a free society? I still remember
the Diebold voting
machines in the 2000 election if that is the right year.

I was wondering if there was a role for the open source community (even
hacktavist)
in ensuring free and fair elections.

If this is the wrong group for this posting my apologizes but I already had
this on my
mind and this just confirmed my thoughts. If the corruption and cronyism
goes on long
enough eventually the Open Source Community will be in their sights- Just a
thought.

" I don't care who votes as long as I count the votes." Joseph Stalin.

Blessings,
Paul
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Re: [PLUG] VPN anyone?

[Vedanta Teacher]

Bless you,

  That's why I love this group. Its the best, cheapest and most meaningful
education
one can receive. After much thought I've decided to set up a Bitcoin
account (the Fed can
go pound sand...) and use the people in Iceland. Any people brave enough to
put bankers
in prison deserve our support.

Blessings & Hari Om
Paul W.

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Louis Kowolowski  wrote:

> Recently ran across this and thought it might be of interest. Comparison
> of various aspects of many Vpn services
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FJTvWT5RHFSYuEoFVpAeQjuQPU4BVzbOigT0xebxTOw/htmlview?usp=sharing=true
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 3, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Russell Senior 
> wrote:
>
> >> "Mike" == Mike C  writes:
> >
> > Mike> I recently learned about wifi routers from Thinkpenquin that has
> > Mike> hardware that is Respect Your Freedom Certified and ships running
> > Mike> LibreCMC. I'd also like to replace the proprietary BIOS
> > Mike> w. Coreboot.
> >
> > Mike> Corporations have just as much interest in my personal information
> > Mike> and online activities as our government and like to make it a lot
> > Mike> harder for both of them to get.
> >
> > This was a pretty good (if depressing) talk from 32c3 last week:
> >
> >  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6bJ5b8Dgoc
> >
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[PLUG] Two easy questions...

[Vedanta Teacher]

Everyone,


I was hoping to extend my knowledge on Linux, Ubuntu, Open source, and
wanted to find some books somewhere between "Linux for dummies" &
Coding. I know about the BIOS,CMOS, CPU, etc. but I wanted deeper
knowledge on Linux.

  Yes, I still read paper books; just run a search for Fahrenheit 451;
Bradbury
and I have similar thoughts about having incorruptible knowledge in your
possession.

Also,

I was thinking about taking Intro to Linux (LFS 101) through the Linux
Foundation.
I didn't know if there was any experience good or bad with them. With wildly
irregular work schedules its imposable to sit down in a regular academic
session.
I'll also see about classes at Free Geek as time allows.

Blessings,
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Re: [PLUG] PLUG Call for Participation

[Vedanta Teacher]

Everyone,

   I had to think before I responded to this. I could give several talks
but they
wouldn't relate to Linux or computers. I could speak about:
#1: The Bhagavad-gita. But I would need to introduce a series of words in
Sanskrit
and concepts from Vedanta. The Bhagavad-gita is so vast that even with 1-2
hours
I could only gloss over it. I'm currently awaiting my certification in the
Bhagavad-gita
from the Chinmaya International Foundation in Kerala.
#2: I could give talks on Vedanta (advanced Hindu theology) but again I
would need
to introduce words and concepts in Sanskrit. Interestingly, Vedanta
presages quantum
mechanics in many areas.
#3: I'm currently researching The Paris Commune of 1870 which is quite
interesting. I'm
reading a series of speeches by Karl Marx which are quite applicable to
things going
on in this country today. But I have several months of research to do.
#4: I could also give a lucid talk about the mess in Syria, Yemen, etc. but
I would
need to go back to the Picot-Sykes Agreement and before.

Anything I would do couldn't be until spring of next year.

Blessings,
Paul

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Michael Dexter 
wrote:

>
> Hello all,
>
> In my continuing effort to making a conference warrior out of each of
> you, I wish to remind you of PLUG's ongoing CFP.
>
> While PLUG will continue to have "invited talks" but I know you each
> have a fascinating talk up your sleeve.
>
> Submissions should include:
>
> A 50 to 300 word description/abstract of the talk
>
> Optional speaker(s) bio(s)
>
> Optional slides to be posted at pdxlinux.org
>
> Optional handouts
>
> Optional extended abstract and full academic paper
>
> Your availability (1st Thursday or 3rd Tuesday and month)
>
> Yes, some conferences require all of these but PLUG is about as flexible
> as it gets. I think we've had everything short of extended abstracts and
> papers. What is an academic paper? I consider it a formal historic
> snapshot of a project you are working on that clearly communicates what
> you set out to do and what you achieved. Tweets and blog posts are nice
> but it is very rewarding to establish a point of reference that with
> luck, will be referred to for decades. One such point of reference is
> Popek and Goldberg's definitive paper on Virtualization from 1974:
>
> http://www.cs.nyu.edu/courses/fall14/CSCI-GA.3033-010/popek-goldberg.pdf
>
> As a bonus I and perhaps other PLUG members will gladly help you flesh
> out ideas for talks. Any topic can be interesting if addressed from the
> right perspective and at the right depth. We want to hear about your
> unique experiences relating to a given subject. Yes, you are the local
> or possibly world expert on something and it's just a question of
> determining what that something is. If it is of interest to you, it
> certainly is of interest to someone else.
>
> Send your talk proposals to me at dex...@ambidexter.com or to the list
> CC'ing me for peer review and ideas.
>
> I look forward to your submissions!
>
> Next slot: December Advanced Topics, Tuesday the 16th
>
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Re: [PLUG] I also will bring an old iBook G-4

[Vedanta Teacher]

John,

  Thank You, it still runs well; it just over heats with excessive use.
I don't think it's fast enough for the newer Mac OS systems.

Blessings,
Paul

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 1:21 PM, John Jason Jordan <joh...@comcast.net>
wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 11:26:43 -0700
> Vedanta Teacher <orevedantateac...@gmail.com> dijo:
>
> >  I also have an old iBook G-4 I'll bring too. It is Tiger OSX 10.4,
> >37.46 gig HD, 1.5 gig ram. I "think" it's an old Motorola CPU.
> >
> >  I have the original discs but I'll be damned if I can remember the
> >installation password from 2004. We used to be able to get past the
> >Win (3.1 or 95 ?) passwords by forcing it to boot through the BIOS
> >(I didn't say that; I'm actually not in the room) but I don't know
> >if you can do it with the Mac OS.
>
> You can install the PowerPC version of Ubuntu on a G4. There may be
> versions of other distros that can be installed as well, but that is
> the only one I know of. I have the ISO of version 14.04 which we can
> burn to a DVD disk or USB stick. It will run live so you can try it out
> or you can install it.
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[PLUG] I also will bring an old iBook G-4

[Vedanta Teacher]

Everyone,

  I also have an old iBook G-4 I'll bring too. It is Tiger OSX 10.4,
37.46 gig HD, 1.5 gig ram. I "think" it's an old Motorola CPU.

  I have the original discs but I'll be damned if I can remember the
installation password from 2004. We used to be able to get past the
Win (3.1 or 95 ?) passwords by forcing it to boot through the BIOS
(I didn't say that; I'm actually not in the room) but I don't know
if you can do it with the Mac OS.

Feel free to knock yourselves out.

Blessings,
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Re: [PLUG] PLUG Clinic 20 September

[Vedanta Teacher]

Debra,

   I'll be at out temple in Hillsboro Sunday morning. If Crust and Curry is
open
I'll see if I can bring pizza with Indian flavoring -yum.

Blessings,
Paul W.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:13 PM,  wrote:

>
>
> I'll be bringing pizza, crackers, cheese, fruit as usual, Please feel
> free to bring what you want and have. Personally, I'm allergic to
> peppers of all types, but that is just me.
>
> Peace
>
> Debra
>
> Thank You. I'll bring everything Sunday. I do want to get one machine
> set up and then convert others. Should I bring burritos, chips, salsa,
> etc? I know how computer people are about food...
>
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Re: [PLUG] I have no experience with installing Linux, can anyone help?

[Vedanta Teacher]

Russell,

  I have multiple thumb drives and I remembered that I have an external HD.
If I get a chance I'll see if I can get everything set up. I do have an
external
dvd/rw I still do recieve cd's from overseas so I keep that option open.

Blessings,
Paul W.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Russell Senior 
wrote:

> > "Paul" == Paul Heinlein  writes:
>
> [...]
>
> Paul> It will be tougher if you don't have the gear necessary to burn
> Paul> your own DVD. The easiest alternative would be to ask a nearby
> Paul> friend or neighbor.
>
> These days, USB thumbdrives are probably more common, given the
> disappearance of optical media from modern hardware.
>
>
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[PLUG] I have no experience with installing Linux, can anyone help?

[Vedanta Teacher]

Greetings,


  After cursing MS since 1985 (?) I'd finally like to completely drop
all MS products as far as is piratical. I may keep one isolated MS
machine for applications that will run no where else.

 I just picked up a New In Box ASUS laptop 15.6' , Pentium, 4 gigs ram,
500 gig hd. I'd like to completely strip off the factory 8.1 O/S
and install a clean copy of Linux O/S but I don't know how.

I have been reading that I can download Ubuntu Linux and Ubuntu
desktop for free and burn them to a CD but I'm not quite sure of which
version or source.

 I already have an HP desk top, Lenovo laptop in 7.0 (?) and an old
iBook G4 so its no tragedy to strip this HD clean. I'd later like to
convert the iBook G4 too.

I already use Open Office, Opera, Firefox (I deleted Google chrome)
so any other suggestions would be helpful.

Note: I am quite literally up at 03:00 hours for work so I cannot make
the 7:00 pm meeting but I can make the meeting Sunday the 20th
@ 1:00 PM  at Free Geek in S.E. Portland.

Om,Tat,Sat,
Paul W.
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Re: [PLUG] I have no experience with installing Linux, can anyone help?

[Vedanta Teacher]

Rich,

   Thank You. I'll bring everything Sunday. I do want to get
one machine set up and then convert others.

  Should I bring burritos, chips, salsa, etc? I know how
computer people are about food...

Blessings,
Paul

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015, Vedanta Teacher wrote:
>
> > I just picked up a New In Box ASUS laptop 15.6' , Pentium, 4 gigs ram,
> 500
> > gig hd. I'd like to completely strip off the factory 8.1 O/S and install
> a
> > clean copy of Linux O/S but I don't know how.
>
> > Note: I am quite literally up at 03:00 hours for work so I cannot make
> the
> > 7:00 pm meeting but I can make the meeting Sunday the 20th @ 1:00 PM at
> > Free Geek in S.E. Portland.
>
> Paul,
>
>Bring it to the clinic. John has every linux distribution on an external
> hard drive and there will be folks who can walk you through the
> installation
> and getting started with linux.
>
> Rich
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