Re: [PLUG] Firefox behaviour...indic language related -- addendum to my previous mail

2007-10-29 Thread ಓಂ
I sincerely think that the location (where to keep updates) is best
decided by the person who keeps such info.  Our interests should be
just to know where they are...

I checked the link you provided and followed indLinux link on it to
find that there is infact Assamese project under name Luit.org on
sourceforge..

When I get chance again I will check other links over there... Many
sites such as BharatBhasha may have become irrelevant because domains
having been abondoned etc.  That's the impression I gathered couple of
months back...  Lets hope concerned people are reading this and
changes do happen...

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Re: [PLUG] KWGR614 or WRT54GL

2007-10-29 Thread Aditya Laghate
 What I'm wondering is, will the signal/range improve or degrade if I
 place one antenna horizonal and the other vertical, assuming both are
 active if I've enabled only WiFi-G mode? will have to check this
 weekend...


Hello,

Sorry for the delay in answering, but I am sure, one antenna is for
the G band and the other is for the B band.

Cheers
Adi

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Re: [PLUG] KWGR614 or WRT54GL

2007-10-29 Thread Desi Penguin

 Sorry for the delay in answering, but I am sure, one antenna is for
 the G band and the other is for the B band.


I don't mean to distrust, but I really want to find data to backup this
claim. I tried searching the web, but didn't find evidence to suggest that
two antennas are for 'b' and 'g' variant each. (May be I didn't look hard
enough)

This wikipedia page also doesn't mention something about one antenna is for
the G band and the other is for the B band.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WRT54G

Here is an image of Wireless-B only linksys router with two antennas.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Linksys_Router.png

Can someone provide more details ? Pointers to URLs would be nice.

-DP

P.S: I know people on PLUG mailing list are easily offended (some anyway),
so let me repeat I do not mean to distrust. Let me apologize in advance if
I have hurt anyone's feeling by asking more data.
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[PLUG] [OT]Learning HTML and PHP

2007-10-29 Thread Yogesh Hasabnis
Hi All,

I am looking for an open-source web-based phonebook tool. I had posted a query 
on this list about it some time back. I have searched a lot on sourceforge and 
freshmeat for a suitable phonebook. None of them seems to fulfill my 
requirements. So I was thinking of downloading one of the tools and update one 
of them to suit my requirements. Most of these tools seem to based on php and 
mysql. I have no knowledge about html and php. Would like to know about how 
much time would it take to get familiar enough with html and php if I spend 
some of my time daily on it. 

Thanks

Yogesh

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[PLUG] [x-post] foss events list in india 2008?

2007-10-29 Thread Linux Lingam
dear all,

am googling since two days, can't find a complete and/or comprehensive
list of foss or foss-related events scheduled for 2008.

i know the number of events are growing. we have:

1.mashups,
2.OSSCamps, and similar
3.CII-partnered events,
4.leading national events
5.LUG-created regional events
6.academia/college events
7.commercial events

but where's the list. or of tentative schedules. for example, some
random excess:

a) openitis.com mentions foss.in in december, and an event in florida.
wow! but no mention of their own event in delhi in feb 2k8.
http://www.openitis.com/openitis/events.php

b) neither does the other site mention this:
linuxasia.net

c) gnunify does not mention its tentative or finalized schedules on
its site or wiki:
http://gnunify.pbwiki.com/

d) the freed.in banner or site does not mention the tentative schedule
for feb-end 2008.

e) NRCFOSS website's forthcoming events sections mentions events past,
dead, and gone:
http://nrcfoss.org.in/index.php?option=com_contenttask=categorysectionid=1id=22Itemid=2
would expect more constructive effort from nrcfoss

f) ilug-d website, after it re-directs, mentions events held in sep07.

g) fsf website has no link on their homepage to events at all:
http://fsf.org.in/

h) CII ICT section has no list
http://cii.in/menu_content.php?menu_id=477

i) PLUG site mentions no list of events in india
http://plug.org.in/

j) redhat's events page spouts forth an error 404
http://www.redhat.com/about/presscenter/events/

k) all the colleges and academia across india which love to sport foss
events, can't find 'em either.



why list our schedules?
1.
we can better coordinate our events with no overlap. for example,
pune's mashup overlapped with mumbai's IIT weekend event. freed.in
just skirted overlapping with linuxasia2008 thanks to a random phone
call.

2. we can better use resources, since freed.in and pune's event, show
how different regional communities can come together to collaborate on
events. speakers, especially international speakers, could get to see
our sub-continent on a discount while event-hopping :-)


3. our community has become too big and diverse to be addressed by
just one event, or two. ;-)

4. placeholder for more


so resolution:
as a community, where do you figure we create a wiki, twiki, or
similar site, where we encourage everyone to publish their final or
tentative event schedules?

over to you guys.


:-)
niyam

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Re: [PLUG] [OT]Learning HTML and PHP

2007-10-29 Thread Kapil Kaisare
On 29 Oct 2007 10:46:11 -, Yogesh Hasabnis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Hi All,

 I am looking for an open-source web-based phonebook tool. I had posted a
 query on this list about it some time back. I have searched a lot on
 sourceforge and freshmeat for a suitable phonebook. None of them seems to
 fulfill my requirements. So I was thinking of downloading one of the tools
 and update one of them to suit my requirements. Most of these tools seem to
 based on php and mysql. I have no knowledge about html and php. Would like
 to know about how much time would it take to get familiar enough with html
 and php if I spend some of my time daily on it.

 Thanks

 Yogesh

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Greetings.

It took me 48 hours to learn HTML/PHP/MySQL . Your mileage may vary.

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Re: [PLUG] [x-post] foss events list in india 2008?

2007-10-29 Thread Rahul Sundaram

Linux Lingam wrote:


j) redhat's events page spouts forth an error 404
http://www.redhat.com/about/presscenter/events/


You are using a wrong link.

http://www.redhat.com/about/news/schedule/

Rahul

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Re: [PLUG] [x-post] foss events list in india 2008?

2007-10-29 Thread ಓಂ
This is not intended to start a flame... just trying to share some views...

Your suggestion will have it's own set of ownership problems and
communication barriers...

As usual wherever possible it's best to leave the choices of such
things in the hands of people who actually run the show in those
places... if things don't work you can always use fork... from a known
reference point...

Centralized control system of any kind has it's own set of problems
starting with *ego* of an individual or a body which makes decision...
mildly put... they have situation which can not be easily understood
by a person who has no ground level knowledge of the local problems...
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Re: [PLUG] [x-post] foss events list in india 2008?

2007-10-29 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
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Linux Lingam wrote:

 am googling since two days, can't find a complete and/or comprehensive
 list of foss or foss-related events scheduled for 2008.

http://www.linuxjournal.com/xstatic/community/events is one road to
take, upcoming and/or facebook is another. Point of course is that most
of the FOSS events in India don't have the time or energy to chalk out
a media/public face plan that would ensure greater and organised
participation from delegates and speakers

LFY had its moments to emerge as the consolidated calendar site, but I'd
daresay that they have lost it

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Re: [PLUG] KWGR614 or WRT54GL

2007-10-29 Thread ಓಂ
Was it newton who drilled a separate hole for a kitten to go to his
home when there already a larger hole which could let pass the mother
or father :-)

This discussion remind me of that genious' effort :-)

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Re: [PLUG] [OT]Learning HTML and PHP

2007-10-29 Thread Devendra Laulkar
Hi,

 I am looking for an open-source web-based phonebook
 tool. I had posted a query on this list about it
 some time back. 

Even I am looking for a simple web-based phonebook. I
wanted a online phone book because there is too much
of diverse sources of lists that I have - both
offline(phone-diary) and online(multiple mobiles,
spreadsheets). LDAP seems to be way too complicated to
understand and implement.

So I was thinking
 of downloading one of the tools and update one of
 them to suit my requirements. Most of these tools
 seem to based on php and mysql. 

I have basic knowledge of LAMP, maybe we can take this
up offline. 

-Devendra Laulkar.


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Re: [PLUG] KWGR614 or WRT54GL

2007-10-29 Thread Devendra Laulkar
Hi,

  What I'm wondering is, will the signal/range
 improve or degrade if I
  place one antenna horizonal and the other
 vertical, assuming both are
  active if I've enabled only WiFi-G mode? will have
 to check this
  weekend...
 Sorry for the delay in answering, but I am sure, one
 antenna is for
 the G band and the other is for the B band.

Both 802.11b and 802.11g use the same frequency band
of 2.4 Ghz, unlike 802.11a which uses 5Ghz band. So,
two antennae, one for b  second one for g really do
not make sense... 

A little bit of googling revealed that both antennae
are used to counter effects of multipath propogation
_

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk722/tk809/technologies_tech_note09186a008019f646.shtml#multipath

In any case, the two antennae are not meant to
increase the range, and I think keeping one horizontal
and second vertical will not boost reception.

-Devendra Laulkar


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Re: [ilugd] [PLUG] [x-post] foss events list in india 2008?

2007-10-29 Thread Linux Lingam

 http://www.linuxjournal.com/xstatic/community/events is one road to
 take,

nah! too generic. would be great to have an india or india-centric
list to which ilnuxjournal could link.

upcoming and/or facebook is another.

facebook? i think they got bought over by microsoft. also wonder how
easy is it for people to view, add, edit, or comment *without*
registering to their service. nah! personally, i would not recommend
facebook to anyone serious about foss, but you can tar me for that
later. so far my opinion on this, for myself, still stands. sorry. so
no flames or whatever on this, let's stick to the topic at hand.


 Point of course is that most
 of the FOSS events in India don't have the time or energy to chalk out
 a media/public face plan that would ensure greater and organised
 participation from delegates and speakers

well let's try to actively solve this problem. here's what we could do:

a) figure out one central place where anyone anywhere can log in and
list an event. should this be a wiki/twiki site? please respond, and
let's try to finalize this within 2 or 3 days. this way, we don't have
to go through this awkward x-posted mailing thread.

b) every fortnight or month, we could send out an email reminder on
mailing lists to register events at this public repository. i
volunteer to do this to the few mailing lists am subscribed to, but
others interested could help and spread the word.

c) similarly, those who list out events, such as openitis or nrcfoss
or others, could be requested, nudged, prodded, or as a last resort
pushed :-) to list or link to this list, so everyone knows what's
happening where and when.

d) events that i attend, have decided to photo-document using a cc-by
or liberal license. this am doing at flickr. am doing this in the hope
of giving faces to names to so many many people quietly working and
doing valuable little things in the foss community of india. this
according to me, is the one solid way of correcting the
'reality-distortion' of having a handful of demonic-gods and
ego-maniacs tending to usurp the indian foss community. let the
community lead. let the community be known. let everyone in the
community be given their recognition.
of course, everyone else is also encouraged to give as many pixelled
faces to the indian foss community as possible.
i'd like to call this the 'fossbook' :-) and we could use flickr,
picasa, or whatever else you've got.


 LFY had its moments to emerge as the consolidated calendar site, but I'd
 daresay that they have lost it

LFY has lost *to some extent* on their initial credibility, goodwill,
and momentum, but so far, hope springs eternal. :-)
currently, they're great for spiking up responses on mailing lists ;-)
they also need a new direction beyond the 'linux' pond into the bigger
ocean of foss and beyond. rahul is trying that with LFY's new avatar.
unfortunately, it is still a long, slow, work-in-progress, which it
shouldn't be.

they seemed to have honed in on their positioning for their event,
but i wish they'd sharpen and focus more on the core essence of all
things foss and linux, the valuesystem. if they get that part right,
they'll rock in all dimensions, and also figure out how to squarely
and responsibly handle microsoft and other proprietary players without
allowing them to ride on LFY's shoulders to damage the foss community.
(drink-and-drive policy). okay enough said! back to the list.

if we decide where to host this list, we could get off this
mail-thread immediately.
the list must encourage and allow tentative schedules and 'to be
decided' entries, just so we have an early heads up. some suggested
fields:

event name.
dates/schedules
venue
contact people
website
mailing list/forum/wiki
past events links
target audience
expected numbers
objective
event-type: sponsored, or community-driven
entry: registration, paid, mixed, rent-a-crowd... :-)


:-)
niyam

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[PLUG] perl - apache2 configuration on debain.

2007-10-29 Thread Kedar Bhandare
Please tell me
How to run perl script on apache web server.

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Re: [PLUG] perl - apache2 configuration on debain.

2007-10-29 Thread Chetan Kumar
On 10/29/07, Kedar Bhandare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Please tell me
 How to run perl script on apache web server.
It may require a little more details to get exactly what you are looking for.
In general $APACHE_DIR/cgi-bin is where you'll store all the PERL stuff.
Will call these from your HTML.
Details here
http://websitehelpers.com/perl/
HTH
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Re: [ilugd] [PLUG] [x-post] foss events list in india 2008?

2007-10-29 Thread ಓಂ
this is a bit [OT] and may contain humour so read it at your own risk...

what is usually called FOSS is actually FSOSS (corectly called अफसोस )
The logic in ignoring first *S* is almost the same that is used in
ignoring *is* in **GNU is Not Unix**

this *is* is actally *IST* [in German], pronounced इष्ट [Sanskrit,
meaning proper] and also indian standard time}

This inherently has a symptom of ignoring small participants in the
progress you are making..
Think about it little deeper...

Simple history repeated again...

If i was a slashdotter, I would call it **defective by design**  I
assume people who are champions of FOSS.IN are also **probably**
making similar mistakes.. as i heard somewhere recently

There is wise saying as put on site http://verisoftindia.com/ which
makes me wonder where we (?) are really heading...

But hey, whose valuable time is being wasted but mine??? So keep
finding new acronyms for the same old **wine**...

as long as the problem don't get fixed... हम मुकर्रर कहते रहेंगे। [if
you have heard Anoop Jalota (or some gazal singer who said it jokingly
in one of his albums), you will know what abovesigned means here]  :-)
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Re: [LIG] [ilugd] [PLUG] [x-post] foss events list in india 2008?

2007-10-29 Thread Linux Lingam
we've got two shortlisted sites:


 http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/calendar/

 It might be best to keep add to it, than re-invent the wheel.
[snip]
 Kingsly

and linux-india.org recommended by kishore bhargava.


the nrcfosshelpline site is more populated but alas, no way for anyone
to log in and submit an event, or so it seems.
the linux-india events module seems to have a rather clunky interface,
and so far the only event it lists is foss.in. however, anyone can log
in to submit an event.

so which one, or which other, do you guys recommend?

:-)
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[PLUG] Please sign the petition against Microsoft's Office OpenXML becoming an ISO standard

2007-10-29 Thread Sarang Kulkarni
Hello,
 The Free Software Foundation is running a petition to oppose
Microsoft's OpenXML from becoming an ISO standard. Serious flaws
exists in Microsoft's OpenXML and it would be highly undesirable if it
becomes an ISO standard. I request everybody to sign this petition to
prevent bad standards from being established! The petition is at:
http://www.noooxml.org/petition

Some reasons for signing the petition:


There is already a standard ISO26300 named Open Document Format (ODF):
a dual standard adds costs, uncertainty and confusion to industry,
government and citizens;

There is no provable implementation of the OOXML specification:
Microsoft Office 2007 produces a special version of OOXML, not a file
format which complies with the OOXML specification;

There is information missing from the specification document, for
example how to do a autoSpaceLikeWord95 or useWord97LineBreakRules;

More than 10% of the examples mentioned in the proposed standard do
not validate as XML;

There is no guarantee that anybody can write software that fully or
partially implements the OOXML specification without being liable to
patent lawsuits or patent license fees by Microsoft;

This format conflicts with existing ISO standards, such as ISO 8601
(Representation of dates and times), ISO 639 (Codes for the
Representation of Names and Languages) or ISO/IEC 10118-3
(cryptographic hash);

There is a bug in the spreadsheet file format which forbids any date
before the year 1900: such bugs affect the OOXML specification as well
as software applications like Microsoft Excel 2000, XP, 2003 and 2007.

This standard proposal was not created by bringing together the
experience and expertise of all interested parties (such as the
producers, sellers, buyers, users and regulators), but by Microsoft
alone.


Again, the petition is at: http://www.noooxml.org/petition

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Re: [PLUG] KWGR614 or WRT54GL

2007-10-29 Thread Aditya Laghate
On 10/29/07, Devendra Laulkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A little bit of googling revealed that both antennae
 are used to counter effects of multipath propogation
 _

 http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk722/tk809/technologies_tech_note09186a008019f646.shtml#multipath


Hey Devendra,

Thanks for that article link.

Cheers
Aditya

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