Re: Discussing Extending the POD Spec

2023-09-23 Thread Ron Savage
Hi All While you make many valid points, there is a bit of a lack of a broader vision, crippled perhaps by an over-commitment to text mode. This problem has been solved with the advent of the TiddlyWiki, which use WikiText. They use CamelCase a lot. A CamelCase word is automatically linked

Re: Discussing Extending the POD Spec

2023-09-22 Thread Russ Allbery
"Paul \"LeoNerd\" Evans" writes: > Russ Allbery wrote: >> One of the things I've wanted from nearly the start was some way of >> marking up metasyntactic variables. POD is full of things like: >> >> perl >> >> or: >> >> push ARRAY,LIST >> >> or the like, using various conventions

Re: Discussing Extending the POD Spec

2023-09-22 Thread Paul "LeoNerd" Evans
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 08:29:41 -0700 Russ Allbery wrote: > "Paul \"LeoNerd\" Evans" writes: > > Ah curious - I'd be happy to hear ideas. > > One of the things I've wanted from nearly the start was some way of > marking up metasyntactic variables. POD is full of things like: > > perl >

Re: Discussing Extending the POD Spec

2023-09-22 Thread Russ Allbery
"Paul \"LeoNerd\" Evans" writes: > Russ Allbery wrote: >> There are a few things that I've wanted to have in POD >> for a while, although nothing that rose to the level of wanting to do >> the work required to get it widely supported. > Ah curious - I'd be happy to hear ideas. One of the

Re: Discussing Extending the POD Spec

2023-09-22 Thread Paul "LeoNerd" Evans
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 12:36:11 +0100 "Paul \"LeoNerd\" Evans" wrote: > It sounds, therefore, like there's a lack of process at all. It isn't > clear to me whether new additions should happen first in the actual > spec, and we expect implementors to support them, or should actual > implementations

Re: Discussing Extending the POD Spec

2023-09-22 Thread Dmitry Karasik
> Since there is one specification document - being pod/perlpod.pod in > perl core itself - that would feel to be a good place to begin the > process. > > Maybe we should begin by raising a PR to change that file, and hope to > get some review comment and general acceptance from people on the >

Re: Discussing Extending the POD Spec

2023-09-22 Thread Paul "LeoNerd" Evans
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 11:02:44 +0200 Mark Overmeer wrote: > Just as Dmitry Karasik experienced, I encountered blockades by core > maintainers to even think about improvements... Hi. I'm here. > My biggest complaints: > - Pod uses visual markup, like =item, where it should use > semantic

Re: Discussing Extending the POD Spec

2023-09-22 Thread Paul "LeoNerd" Evans
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 09:32:35 +0200 Dmitry Karasik wrote: > So I agree the process is as clear as > mud. If the community can resolve this social problem, there are old > threads about the images in pod and I believe many have still have > interest in this. It sounds, therefore, like there's a

Re: Discussing Extending the POD Spec

2023-09-22 Thread Mark Overmeer
* Paul "LeoNerd" Evans (leon...@leonerd.org.uk) [230921 17:29]: > There's ultimately a choice to be made - is POD still alive, as a > specification, a technology? Can we continue to add new features to it? Just as Dmitry Karasik experienced, I encountered blockades by core maintainers to even

Re: Discussing Extending the POD Spec

2023-09-22 Thread Dmitry Karasik
> I don't want to turn this thread into a discussion on the features > themselves, but rather to work out *who* are the people to really get > into that chat, and what level of interest people have in actually > moving forward. I would like to be in a position where we can > confidently go about

Re: Discussing Extending the POD Spec

2023-09-21 Thread Paul "LeoNerd" Evans
On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 10:57:17 -0700 Russ Allbery wrote: > There are a few things that I've wanted to have in POD > for a while, although nothing that rose to the level of wanting to do > the work required to get it widely supported. Ah curious - I'd be happy to hear ideas. My overall feeling is

Re: Discussing Extending the POD Spec

2023-09-21 Thread Russ Allbery
"Paul \"LeoNerd\" Evans" writes: > I don't want to turn this thread into a discussion on the features > themselves, but rather to work out *who* are the people to really get > into that chat, and what level of interest people have in actually > moving forward. I am interested. I probably