Re: David Limbaugh and Extolling the Never-Trumpers

['Perplexed' via PoliticalForum]

I read an interesting article on this the other day. I can't recall who 
said it, but the author said that before this years' election started he'd 
longed for a republican candidate who would REFUSE to apologize to these 
self-annointed "superiors" that progressive nutjobs view themselves as 
being.

I think he could do a better job of rubbing their noses in their tendency 
to be such arrogant asshole bigots than he does, but hey, nobody's perfect.

On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 3:01:11 PM UTC-4, gtheist957 wrote:
>
> I can't see how nobody saw this coming. I will refer to the culprits as 
> the uniparty because Keith's label is just to damn many words to type :) 
> when stepinopolis or whatever tried to pin Romney on the contraception 
> issue followed by the war on women that was when the rhetoric from the 
> establishment started on the path of diminishing returns. They just tried 
> to misdirect the Trump campaign by bringing up the birther issue and got 
> their heads handed to them.
> And now the never Trump globalist traitors from the republicans continue 
> to shoot themselves in the foot.just call me deplorable.
>
> On Sep 18, 2016 1:06 PM, "'Perplexed' via PoliticalForum" <
> politic...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree completely, Keith. And I also think these "Never Trump" morons 
>> are 100% deluded if they think they won't pay for what they are doing now 
>> in 4 or 8 years and possibly beyond.
>>
>> The battle lines have been drawn. Either you accept the status quo of the 
>> establishment/political/ruling totally disconnected career politicians from 
>> BOTH parties, or you don't. And there is no way in hell half of Trump 
>> voters will ever forget or forgive or excuse the attacks from the sore 
>> losers in the GOP who - even if they didn't want to support Trump - didn't 
>> have the common sense to shut the F up and keep it to themselves.
>>
>> Kasich, Cruz, ALL of the Bush family, Flake, Graham - all of them have 
>> absolutely ZERO chance of doing anything but whimpering and bitching and 
>> losing national elections in the future.
>>
>> On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 11:07:47 AM UTC-4, KeithInTampa wrote:
>>>
>>> Like Gottfried,  I'm not nearly as kind or forgiving as Limbaugh. I once 
>>> was, and believed that we needed to regroup after the Convention, but the 
>>> attacks by the "#NeverTrumpers" became too intense, personal and nasty.  
>>>
>>> They've made their bed, and I want them to go and lie in it.  
>>>
>>> More importantly, the thing that Limbaugh I don't think realizes, and 
>>> Gottfried doesn't touch upon, is the proverbial light that Donald Trump has 
>>> shown on that particular faction of the Republican Party. We've all known 
>>> that they were there; we just didn't realize how despicable they were!  
>>> That whole Globalist/Elitist/Establishment/Rockefellerian/New World Order" 
>>> crew I can never support again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 10:53 AM, MJ  wrote:
>>>


 *"But in the case of the never-Trumpers, I would never make this 
 criticism. Here we are dealing mostly with GOP shills who four years ago 
 were drooling on cue over Mitt Romney and who four years earlier were 
 gilding the lily for John McCain. What exactly were the high 
 “conservative” 
 principles that these candidates of the never-Trumpers articulated that 
 Trump has failed to express?" *September 16, 2016

 *DAVID LIMBAUGH AND EXTOLLING THE NEVER-TRUMPERS *
 *What exactly are the high “conservative” principles of Romney and 
 McCain that Trump has failed to express? *Paul Gottfried

 A few days ago David Limbaugh, a widely-syndicated Republican 
 commentator (and Rush’s less fiery younger brother) posted a commentary 
  intended to deescalate 
 the tensions between Trump’s supporters and the “never-Trumpers.” Limbaugh 
 defines himself as a “reluctant Trumper,” who decided to support the 
 Donald 
 as the lesser of two evils after his preferred candidate Ted Cruz stumbled 
 in the primaries. Limbaugh does not hide his dislike for Trump’s 
 free-wheeling rhetoric and believes that the GOP nominee’s critics on the 
 right may be fully justified in doubting his “genuine commitment to 
 conservative policies.”

 Despite these doubts, Limbaugh endorses Trump for reasons that one also 
 hears from Sean Hannity, Pat Buchanan, Jerry Falwell, Jr., Larry Elder, 
 and 
 yours truly. Trump has “many incentives to implement our [conservative] 
 policies,” while Hillary Clinton has absolutely none. He is also, not 
 incidentally, bestowing on the Republican Party a large working class 
 constituency; and even among racial minorities, he is doing at least as 
 well, and in the case of prospective black voters, better than his GOP 
 centrist predecessors, Mitt Romney and 

Re: David Limbaugh and Extolling the Never-Trumpers

[Keith In Tampa]

(And I also agree with everything you just wrote.I hope we're finished
with the whole "Birther" Discussion or at a minimum, let's focus on the
Clinton 2008 Campaign who was in the game full bore!)



On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Keith In Tampa 
wrote:

> ! Hey Geoffrey!  "Uni-Party" works well!  We all understand it and I
> will start adopting that term!
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 3:00 PM, geoffrey theist 
> wrote:
>
>> I can't see how nobody saw this coming. I will refer to the culprits as
>> the uniparty because Keith's label is just to damn many words to type :)
>> when stepinopolis or whatever tried to pin Romney on the contraception
>> issue followed by the war on women that was when the rhetoric from the
>> establishment started on the path of diminishing returns. They just tried
>> to misdirect the Trump campaign by bringing up the birther issue and got
>> their heads handed to them.
>> And now the never Trump globalist traitors from the republicans continue
>> to shoot themselves in the foot.just call me deplorable.
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2016 1:06 PM, "'Perplexed' via PoliticalForum" <
>> politicalforum@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I agree completely, Keith. And I also think these "Never Trump" morons
>>> are 100% deluded if they think they won't pay for what they are doing now
>>> in 4 or 8 years and possibly beyond.
>>>
>>> The battle lines have been drawn. Either you accept the status quo of
>>> the establishment/political/ruling totally disconnected career politicians
>>> from BOTH parties, or you don't. And there is no way in hell half of Trump
>>> voters will ever forget or forgive or excuse the attacks from the sore
>>> losers in the GOP who - even if they didn't want to support Trump - didn't
>>> have the common sense to shut the F up and keep it to themselves.
>>>
>>> Kasich, Cruz, ALL of the Bush family, Flake, Graham - all of them have
>>> absolutely ZERO chance of doing anything but whimpering and bitching and
>>> losing national elections in the future.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 11:07:47 AM UTC-4, KeithInTampa wrote:

 Like Gottfried,  I'm not nearly as kind or forgiving as Limbaugh. I
 once was, and believed that we needed to regroup after the Convention, but
 the attacks by the "#NeverTrumpers" became too intense, personal and nasty.


 They've made their bed, and I want them to go and lie in it.

 More importantly, the thing that Limbaugh I don't think realizes, and
 Gottfried doesn't touch upon, is the proverbial light that Donald Trump has
 shown on that particular faction of the Republican Party. We've all known
 that they were there; we just didn't realize how despicable they were!
 That whole Globalist/Elitist/Establishment/Rockefellerian/New World
 Order" crew I can never support again.



 On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 10:53 AM, MJ  wrote:

>
>
> *"But in the case of the never-Trumpers, I would never make this
> criticism. Here we are dealing mostly with GOP shills who four years ago
> were drooling on cue over Mitt Romney and who four years earlier were
> gilding the lily for John McCain. What exactly were the high 
> “conservative”
> principles that these candidates of the never-Trumpers articulated that
> Trump has failed to express?" *September 16, 2016
>
> *DAVID LIMBAUGH AND EXTOLLING THE NEVER-TRUMPERS *
> *What exactly are the high “conservative” principles of Romney and
> McCain that Trump has failed to express? *Paul Gottfried
>
> A few days ago David Limbaugh, a widely-syndicated Republican
> commentator (and Rush’s less fiery younger brother) posted a
> commentary  intended
> to deescalate the tensions between Trump’s supporters and the
> “never-Trumpers.” Limbaugh defines himself as a “reluctant Trumper,” who
> decided to support the Donald as the lesser of two evils after his
> preferred candidate Ted Cruz stumbled in the primaries. Limbaugh does not
> hide his dislike for Trump’s free-wheeling rhetoric and believes that the
> GOP nominee’s critics on the right may be fully justified in doubting his
> “genuine commitment to conservative policies.”
>
> Despite these doubts, Limbaugh endorses Trump for reasons that one
> also hears from Sean Hannity, Pat Buchanan, Jerry Falwell, Jr., Larry
> Elder, and yours truly. Trump has “many incentives to implement our
> [conservative] policies,” while Hillary Clinton has absolutely none. He is
> also, not incidentally, bestowing on the Republican Party a large working
> class constituency; and even among racial minorities, he is doing at least
> as well, and in the case of prospective black voters, better than his GOP
> centrist predecessors, Mitt Romney and John McCain. 

Re: David Limbaugh and Extolling the Never-Trumpers

[Keith In Tampa]

! Hey Geoffrey!  "Uni-Party" works well!  We all understand it and I
will start adopting that term!



On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 3:00 PM, geoffrey theist 
wrote:

> I can't see how nobody saw this coming. I will refer to the culprits as
> the uniparty because Keith's label is just to damn many words to type :)
> when stepinopolis or whatever tried to pin Romney on the contraception
> issue followed by the war on women that was when the rhetoric from the
> establishment started on the path of diminishing returns. They just tried
> to misdirect the Trump campaign by bringing up the birther issue and got
> their heads handed to them.
> And now the never Trump globalist traitors from the republicans continue
> to shoot themselves in the foot.just call me deplorable.
>
> On Sep 18, 2016 1:06 PM, "'Perplexed' via PoliticalForum" <
> politicalforum@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree completely, Keith. And I also think these "Never Trump" morons
>> are 100% deluded if they think they won't pay for what they are doing now
>> in 4 or 8 years and possibly beyond.
>>
>> The battle lines have been drawn. Either you accept the status quo of the
>> establishment/political/ruling totally disconnected career politicians from
>> BOTH parties, or you don't. And there is no way in hell half of Trump
>> voters will ever forget or forgive or excuse the attacks from the sore
>> losers in the GOP who - even if they didn't want to support Trump - didn't
>> have the common sense to shut the F up and keep it to themselves.
>>
>> Kasich, Cruz, ALL of the Bush family, Flake, Graham - all of them have
>> absolutely ZERO chance of doing anything but whimpering and bitching and
>> losing national elections in the future.
>>
>> On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 11:07:47 AM UTC-4, KeithInTampa wrote:
>>>
>>> Like Gottfried,  I'm not nearly as kind or forgiving as Limbaugh. I once
>>> was, and believed that we needed to regroup after the Convention, but the
>>> attacks by the "#NeverTrumpers" became too intense, personal and nasty.
>>>
>>> They've made their bed, and I want them to go and lie in it.
>>>
>>> More importantly, the thing that Limbaugh I don't think realizes, and
>>> Gottfried doesn't touch upon, is the proverbial light that Donald Trump has
>>> shown on that particular faction of the Republican Party. We've all known
>>> that they were there; we just didn't realize how despicable they were!
>>> That whole Globalist/Elitist/Establishment/Rockefellerian/New World
>>> Order" crew I can never support again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 10:53 AM, MJ  wrote:
>>>


 *"But in the case of the never-Trumpers, I would never make this
 criticism. Here we are dealing mostly with GOP shills who four years ago
 were drooling on cue over Mitt Romney and who four years earlier were
 gilding the lily for John McCain. What exactly were the high “conservative”
 principles that these candidates of the never-Trumpers articulated that
 Trump has failed to express?" *September 16, 2016

 *DAVID LIMBAUGH AND EXTOLLING THE NEVER-TRUMPERS *
 *What exactly are the high “conservative” principles of Romney and
 McCain that Trump has failed to express? *Paul Gottfried

 A few days ago David Limbaugh, a widely-syndicated Republican
 commentator (and Rush’s less fiery younger brother) posted a commentary
  intended to deescalate
 the tensions between Trump’s supporters and the “never-Trumpers.” Limbaugh
 defines himself as a “reluctant Trumper,” who decided to support the Donald
 as the lesser of two evils after his preferred candidate Ted Cruz stumbled
 in the primaries. Limbaugh does not hide his dislike for Trump’s
 free-wheeling rhetoric and believes that the GOP nominee’s critics on the
 right may be fully justified in doubting his “genuine commitment to
 conservative policies.”

 Despite these doubts, Limbaugh endorses Trump for reasons that one also
 hears from Sean Hannity, Pat Buchanan, Jerry Falwell, Jr., Larry Elder, and
 yours truly. Trump has “many incentives to implement our [conservative]
 policies,” while Hillary Clinton has absolutely none. He is also, not
 incidentally, bestowing on the Republican Party a large working class
 constituency; and even among racial minorities, he is doing at least as
 well, and in the case of prospective black voters, better than his GOP
 centrist predecessors, Mitt Romney and John McCain. Moreover, it is hard
 not to see Trump’s focusing on the problems of illegals and sanctuary
 cities as anything other than a “conservative” issue. That remains the case
 even if most of his primary competitors and certainly the editorial board
 of the *Wall Street Journal* might wish those issues had never been
 brought into the primaries.

 Although Limbaugh 

Re: David Limbaugh and Extolling the Never-Trumpers

[geoffrey theist]

I can't see how nobody saw this coming. I will refer to the culprits as the
uniparty because Keith's label is just to damn many words to type :) when
stepinopolis or whatever tried to pin Romney on the contraception issue
followed by the war on women that was when the rhetoric from the
establishment started on the path of diminishing returns. They just tried
to misdirect the Trump campaign by bringing up the birther issue and got
their heads handed to them.
And now the never Trump globalist traitors from the republicans continue to
shoot themselves in the foot.just call me deplorable.

On Sep 18, 2016 1:06 PM, "'Perplexed' via PoliticalForum" <
politicalforum@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> I agree completely, Keith. And I also think these "Never Trump" morons are
> 100% deluded if they think they won't pay for what they are doing now in 4
> or 8 years and possibly beyond.
>
> The battle lines have been drawn. Either you accept the status quo of the
> establishment/political/ruling totally disconnected career politicians from
> BOTH parties, or you don't. And there is no way in hell half of Trump
> voters will ever forget or forgive or excuse the attacks from the sore
> losers in the GOP who - even if they didn't want to support Trump - didn't
> have the common sense to shut the F up and keep it to themselves.
>
> Kasich, Cruz, ALL of the Bush family, Flake, Graham - all of them have
> absolutely ZERO chance of doing anything but whimpering and bitching and
> losing national elections in the future.
>
> On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 11:07:47 AM UTC-4, KeithInTampa wrote:
>>
>> Like Gottfried,  I'm not nearly as kind or forgiving as Limbaugh. I once
>> was, and believed that we needed to regroup after the Convention, but the
>> attacks by the "#NeverTrumpers" became too intense, personal and nasty.
>>
>> They've made their bed, and I want them to go and lie in it.
>>
>> More importantly, the thing that Limbaugh I don't think realizes, and
>> Gottfried doesn't touch upon, is the proverbial light that Donald Trump has
>> shown on that particular faction of the Republican Party. We've all known
>> that they were there; we just didn't realize how despicable they were!
>> That whole Globalist/Elitist/Establishment/Rockefellerian/New World
>> Order" crew I can never support again.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 10:53 AM, MJ  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *"But in the case of the never-Trumpers, I would never make this
>>> criticism. Here we are dealing mostly with GOP shills who four years ago
>>> were drooling on cue over Mitt Romney and who four years earlier were
>>> gilding the lily for John McCain. What exactly were the high “conservative”
>>> principles that these candidates of the never-Trumpers articulated that
>>> Trump has failed to express?" *September 16, 2016
>>>
>>> *DAVID LIMBAUGH AND EXTOLLING THE NEVER-TRUMPERS *
>>> *What exactly are the high “conservative” principles of Romney and
>>> McCain that Trump has failed to express? *Paul Gottfried
>>>
>>> A few days ago David Limbaugh, a widely-syndicated Republican
>>> commentator (and Rush’s less fiery younger brother) posted a commentary
>>>  intended to deescalate
>>> the tensions between Trump’s supporters and the “never-Trumpers.” Limbaugh
>>> defines himself as a “reluctant Trumper,” who decided to support the Donald
>>> as the lesser of two evils after his preferred candidate Ted Cruz stumbled
>>> in the primaries. Limbaugh does not hide his dislike for Trump’s
>>> free-wheeling rhetoric and believes that the GOP nominee’s critics on the
>>> right may be fully justified in doubting his “genuine commitment to
>>> conservative policies.”
>>>
>>> Despite these doubts, Limbaugh endorses Trump for reasons that one also
>>> hears from Sean Hannity, Pat Buchanan, Jerry Falwell, Jr., Larry Elder, and
>>> yours truly. Trump has “many incentives to implement our [conservative]
>>> policies,” while Hillary Clinton has absolutely none. He is also, not
>>> incidentally, bestowing on the Republican Party a large working class
>>> constituency; and even among racial minorities, he is doing at least as
>>> well, and in the case of prospective black voters, better than his GOP
>>> centrist predecessors, Mitt Romney and John McCain. Moreover, it is hard
>>> not to see Trump’s focusing on the problems of illegals and sanctuary
>>> cities as anything other than a “conservative” issue. That remains the case
>>> even if most of his primary competitors and certainly the editorial board
>>> of the *Wall Street Journal* might wish those issues had never been
>>> brought into the primaries.
>>>
>>> Although Limbaugh dutifully provides the reasons that someone claiming
>>> to be on the right should vote for Trump, he still can’t resist extolling
>>> the never-Trumpers. (Although they’re not my buddies, they may be his.)
>>> These supposedly principled conservatives deeply believe that “the best
>>> 

Re: David Limbaugh and Extolling the Never-Trumpers

[Keith In Tampa]

"Spot On" Perp, and like I said,  (like you!)  I will never ever support
another "Globalist/Elitist/Rockefellerian/Establishment"
politician ever again.No matter what political affiliation or letter
that they have behind their name!



On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 2:06 PM, 'Perplexed' via PoliticalForum <
politicalforum@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> I agree completely, Keith. And I also think these "Never Trump" morons are
> 100% deluded if they think they won't pay for what they are doing now in 4
> or 8 years and possibly beyond.
>
> The battle lines have been drawn. Either you accept the status quo of the
> establishment/political/ruling totally disconnected career politicians from
> BOTH parties, or you don't. And there is no way in hell half of Trump
> voters will ever forget or forgive or excuse the attacks from the sore
> losers in the GOP who - even if they didn't want to support Trump - didn't
> have the common sense to shut the F up and keep it to themselves.
>
> Kasich, Cruz, ALL of the Bush family, Flake, Graham - all of them have
> absolutely ZERO chance of doing anything but whimpering and bitching and
> losing national elections in the future.
>
> On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 11:07:47 AM UTC-4, KeithInTampa wrote:
>>
>> Like Gottfried,  I'm not nearly as kind or forgiving as Limbaugh. I once
>> was, and believed that we needed to regroup after the Convention, but the
>> attacks by the "#NeverTrumpers" became too intense, personal and nasty.
>>
>> They've made their bed, and I want them to go and lie in it.
>>
>> More importantly, the thing that Limbaugh I don't think realizes, and
>> Gottfried doesn't touch upon, is the proverbial light that Donald Trump has
>> shown on that particular faction of the Republican Party. We've all known
>> that they were there; we just didn't realize how despicable they were!
>> That whole Globalist/Elitist/Establishment/Rockefellerian/New World
>> Order" crew I can never support again.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 10:53 AM, MJ  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *"But in the case of the never-Trumpers, I would never make this
>>> criticism. Here we are dealing mostly with GOP shills who four years ago
>>> were drooling on cue over Mitt Romney and who four years earlier were
>>> gilding the lily for John McCain. What exactly were the high “conservative”
>>> principles that these candidates of the never-Trumpers articulated that
>>> Trump has failed to express?" *September 16, 2016
>>>
>>> *DAVID LIMBAUGH AND EXTOLLING THE NEVER-TRUMPERS *
>>> *What exactly are the high “conservative” principles of Romney and
>>> McCain that Trump has failed to express? *Paul Gottfried
>>>
>>> A few days ago David Limbaugh, a widely-syndicated Republican
>>> commentator (and Rush’s less fiery younger brother) posted a commentary
>>>  intended to deescalate
>>> the tensions between Trump’s supporters and the “never-Trumpers.” Limbaugh
>>> defines himself as a “reluctant Trumper,” who decided to support the Donald
>>> as the lesser of two evils after his preferred candidate Ted Cruz stumbled
>>> in the primaries. Limbaugh does not hide his dislike for Trump’s
>>> free-wheeling rhetoric and believes that the GOP nominee’s critics on the
>>> right may be fully justified in doubting his “genuine commitment to
>>> conservative policies.”
>>>
>>> Despite these doubts, Limbaugh endorses Trump for reasons that one also
>>> hears from Sean Hannity, Pat Buchanan, Jerry Falwell, Jr., Larry Elder, and
>>> yours truly. Trump has “many incentives to implement our [conservative]
>>> policies,” while Hillary Clinton has absolutely none. He is also, not
>>> incidentally, bestowing on the Republican Party a large working class
>>> constituency; and even among racial minorities, he is doing at least as
>>> well, and in the case of prospective black voters, better than his GOP
>>> centrist predecessors, Mitt Romney and John McCain. Moreover, it is hard
>>> not to see Trump’s focusing on the problems of illegals and sanctuary
>>> cities as anything other than a “conservative” issue. That remains the case
>>> even if most of his primary competitors and certainly the editorial board
>>> of the *Wall Street Journal* might wish those issues had never been
>>> brought into the primaries.
>>>
>>> Although Limbaugh dutifully provides the reasons that someone claiming
>>> to be on the right should vote for Trump, he still can’t resist extolling
>>> the never-Trumpers. (Although they’re not my buddies, they may be his.)
>>> These supposedly principled conservatives deeply believe that “the best
>>> chance of saving the nation in the long run is to avoid elevating Trump to
>>> president and leader of the party because he could forever destroy
>>> conservatism and the Republican brand.” Although Limbaugh concedes that
>>> some establishment Republicans may be found among these noble idealists,
>>> most of the never-Trumpers “shared our 

Re: David Limbaugh and Extolling the Never-Trumpers

['Perplexed' via PoliticalForum]

I agree completely, Keith. And I also think these "Never Trump" morons are 
100% deluded if they think they won't pay for what they are doing now in 4 
or 8 years and possibly beyond.

The battle lines have been drawn. Either you accept the status quo of the 
establishment/political/ruling totally disconnected career politicians from 
BOTH parties, or you don't. And there is no way in hell half of Trump 
voters will ever forget or forgive or excuse the attacks from the sore 
losers in the GOP who - even if they didn't want to support Trump - didn't 
have the common sense to shut the F up and keep it to themselves.

Kasich, Cruz, ALL of the Bush family, Flake, Graham - all of them have 
absolutely ZERO chance of doing anything but whimpering and bitching and 
losing national elections in the future.

On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 11:07:47 AM UTC-4, KeithInTampa wrote:
>
> Like Gottfried,  I'm not nearly as kind or forgiving as Limbaugh. I once 
> was, and believed that we needed to regroup after the Convention, but the 
> attacks by the "#NeverTrumpers" became too intense, personal and nasty.  
>
> They've made their bed, and I want them to go and lie in it.  
>
> More importantly, the thing that Limbaugh I don't think realizes, and 
> Gottfried doesn't touch upon, is the proverbial light that Donald Trump has 
> shown on that particular faction of the Republican Party. We've all known 
> that they were there; we just didn't realize how despicable they were!  
> That whole Globalist/Elitist/Establishment/Rockefellerian/New World Order" 
> crew I can never support again.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 10:53 AM, MJ  
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> *"But in the case of the never-Trumpers, I would never make this 
>> criticism. Here we are dealing mostly with GOP shills who four years ago 
>> were drooling on cue over Mitt Romney and who four years earlier were 
>> gilding the lily for John McCain. What exactly were the high “conservative” 
>> principles that these candidates of the never-Trumpers articulated that 
>> Trump has failed to express?" *September 16, 2016
>>
>> *DAVID LIMBAUGH AND EXTOLLING THE NEVER-TRUMPERS *
>> *What exactly are the high “conservative” principles of Romney and McCain 
>> that Trump has failed to express? *Paul Gottfried
>>
>> A few days ago David Limbaugh, a widely-syndicated Republican commentator 
>> (and Rush’s less fiery younger brother) posted a commentary 
>>  intended to deescalate 
>> the tensions between Trump’s supporters and the “never-Trumpers.” Limbaugh 
>> defines himself as a “reluctant Trumper,” who decided to support the Donald 
>> as the lesser of two evils after his preferred candidate Ted Cruz stumbled 
>> in the primaries. Limbaugh does not hide his dislike for Trump’s 
>> free-wheeling rhetoric and believes that the GOP nominee’s critics on the 
>> right may be fully justified in doubting his “genuine commitment to 
>> conservative policies.”
>>
>> Despite these doubts, Limbaugh endorses Trump for reasons that one also 
>> hears from Sean Hannity, Pat Buchanan, Jerry Falwell, Jr., Larry Elder, and 
>> yours truly. Trump has “many incentives to implement our [conservative] 
>> policies,” while Hillary Clinton has absolutely none. He is also, not 
>> incidentally, bestowing on the Republican Party a large working class 
>> constituency; and even among racial minorities, he is doing at least as 
>> well, and in the case of prospective black voters, better than his GOP 
>> centrist predecessors, Mitt Romney and John McCain. Moreover, it is hard 
>> not to see Trump’s focusing on the problems of illegals and sanctuary 
>> cities as anything other than a “conservative” issue. That remains the case 
>> even if most of his primary competitors and certainly the editorial board 
>> of the *Wall Street Journal* might wish those issues had never been 
>> brought into the primaries.
>>
>> Although Limbaugh dutifully provides the reasons that someone claiming to 
>> be on the right should vote for Trump, he still can’t resist extolling the 
>> never-Trumpers. (Although they’re not my buddies, they may be his.)   These 
>> supposedly principled conservatives deeply believe that “the best chance of 
>> saving the nation in the long run is to avoid elevating Trump to president 
>> and leader of the party because he could forever destroy conservatism and 
>> the Republican brand.” Although Limbaugh concedes that some establishment 
>> Republicans may be found among these noble idealists, most of the 
>> never-Trumpers “shared our frustration” about where the party was headed in 
>> the hands of unprincipled operators.  Limbaugh closes his remarks with this 
>> statement: “I respect the never-Trumpers and will not presume to judge them 
>> as abandoning the nation’s best interests.”
>>
>> It is of course possible to be so principled that one refuses to settle 
>> for politicians who don’t entirely live up to one’s 

Re: David Limbaugh and Extolling the Never-Trumpers

[Keith In Tampa]

Like Gottfried,  I'm not nearly as kind or forgiving as Limbaugh. I once
was, and believed that we needed to regroup after the Convention, but the
attacks by the "#NeverTrumpers" became too intense, personal and nasty.

They've made their bed, and I want them to go and lie in it.

More importantly, the thing that Limbaugh I don't think realizes, and
Gottfried doesn't touch upon, is the proverbial light that Donald Trump has
shown on that particular faction of the Republican Party. We've all known
that they were there; we just didn't realize how despicable they were!
That whole Globalist/Elitist/Establishment/Rockefellerian/New World Order"
crew I can never support again.



On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 10:53 AM, MJ  wrote:

>
>
> *"But in the case of the never-Trumpers, I would never make this
> criticism. Here we are dealing mostly with GOP shills who four years ago
> were drooling on cue over Mitt Romney and who four years earlier were
> gilding the lily for John McCain. What exactly were the high “conservative”
> principles that these candidates of the never-Trumpers articulated that
> Trump has failed to express?" *September 16, 2016
>
> *DAVID LIMBAUGH AND EXTOLLING THE NEVER-TRUMPERS *
> *What exactly are the high “conservative” principles of Romney and McCain
> that Trump has failed to express? *Paul Gottfried
>
> A few days ago David Limbaugh, a widely-syndicated Republican commentator
> (and Rush’s less fiery younger brother) posted a commentary
>  intended to deescalate
> the tensions between Trump’s supporters and the “never-Trumpers.” Limbaugh
> defines himself as a “reluctant Trumper,” who decided to support the Donald
> as the lesser of two evils after his preferred candidate Ted Cruz stumbled
> in the primaries. Limbaugh does not hide his dislike for Trump’s
> free-wheeling rhetoric and believes that the GOP nominee’s critics on the
> right may be fully justified in doubting his “genuine commitment to
> conservative policies.”
>
> Despite these doubts, Limbaugh endorses Trump for reasons that one also
> hears from Sean Hannity, Pat Buchanan, Jerry Falwell, Jr., Larry Elder, and
> yours truly. Trump has “many incentives to implement our [conservative]
> policies,” while Hillary Clinton has absolutely none. He is also, not
> incidentally, bestowing on the Republican Party a large working class
> constituency; and even among racial minorities, he is doing at least as
> well, and in the case of prospective black voters, better than his GOP
> centrist predecessors, Mitt Romney and John McCain. Moreover, it is hard
> not to see Trump’s focusing on the problems of illegals and sanctuary
> cities as anything other than a “conservative” issue. That remains the case
> even if most of his primary competitors and certainly the editorial board
> of the *Wall Street Journal* might wish those issues had never been
> brought into the primaries.
>
> Although Limbaugh dutifully provides the reasons that someone claiming to
> be on the right should vote for Trump, he still can’t resist extolling the
> never-Trumpers. (Although they’re not my buddies, they may be his.)   These
> supposedly principled conservatives deeply believe that “the best chance of
> saving the nation in the long run is to avoid elevating Trump to president
> and leader of the party because he could forever destroy conservatism and
> the Republican brand.” Although Limbaugh concedes that some establishment
> Republicans may be found among these noble idealists, most of the
> never-Trumpers “shared our frustration” about where the party was headed in
> the hands of unprincipled operators.  Limbaugh closes his remarks with this
> statement: “I respect the never-Trumpers and will not presume to judge them
> as abandoning the nation’s best interests.”
>
> It is of course possible to be so principled that one refuses to settle
> for politicians who don’t entirely live up to one’s ideals. About ten years
> ago I addressed a club named for the great conservative Republican of an
> earlier era Robert A. Taft. During my interaction with members I found that
> some of them would only vote for a leader who patterned himself on the
> organization’s namesake. Although I continue to refer to myself as a “Taft
> Republican,” I thought some of the young people I spoke with held
> unrealistically high expectations.
>
> But in the case of the never-Trumpers, I would never make this criticism.
> Here we are dealing mostly with GOP shills who four years ago were drooling
> on cue over Mitt Romney and who four years earlier were gilding the lily
> for John McCain. What exactly were the high “conservative” principles that
> these candidates of the never-Trumpers articulated that Trump has failed to
> express? Indeed Trump has raised social issues that Romney and McCain, who
> were hailed as “conservatives” refused to even touch on the campaign trail.
> Unlike them, he has promised to appoint