Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-07-01 Thread Jochen Striepe
Hiho, On 20 Jun 2010, Matthias Kilian wrote: On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 01:05:49PM -0400, Ian Darwin wrote: There is appropriate in that we can build a blog in 200 LOC. There is appropriate in that we can write a POSIX-compatible OS in one (somewhat long) line of APL that nobody will

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:32:33AM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: If anyone is interested, let me know; I'll just import it (and all necessary dependencies). Otherwise, I'll remove this stuff from my local tree in a few days. Some people asked me to just post the necessary ports here.

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 11:26:33AM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:32:33AM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: If anyone is interested, let me know; I'll just import it (and all necessary dependencies). Otherwise, I'll remove this stuff from my local tree in a few

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 08:36:00AM -0400, Kenneth R Westerback wrote: Anyone? We've 58 ports depending on ghc in the tree, I've 40 additional uncommitted ports in my local tree and I really want to get rid of some of them. Either by importing or by deleting. I have a Haskell book on my

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Marco Peereboom
You guys should just use scrotwm ;-) Then there is no need to learn another language and you can continue on lisping ;-) On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 02:48:31PM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 08:36:00AM -0400, Kenneth R Westerback wrote: Anyone? We've 58 ports depending on

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 07:57:29AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: You guys should just use scrotwm ;-) Guess what WM I'm using on my non-{i386,amd64} machines ;-) Then there is no need to learn another language and you can continue on lisping ;-) And now let's start a flame war about weak vs.

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 03:06:26PM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 07:57:29AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: You guys should just use scrotwm ;-) Guess what WM I'm using on my non-{i386,amd64} machines ;-) Then there is no need to learn another language and you can

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 09:06:14AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 03:06:26PM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 07:57:29AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: You guys should just use scrotwm ;-) Guess what WM I'm using on my non-{i386,amd64} machines

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Jona Joachim
On 2010-06-20, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: You guys should just use scrotwm ;-) Then there is no need to learn another language and you can continue on lisping ;-) You can't really compare scrotwm to xmonad. For starters xmonad is actually a high level library to write window

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Marco Peereboom
Tell me again how awesome xmonad works on arm. On Jun 20, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Jona Joachim j...@hcl-club.lu wrote: On 2010-06-20, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: You guys should just use scrotwm ;-) Then there is no need to learn another language and you can continue on lisping

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Jun 20, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Kenneth R Westerback kwesterb...@rogers.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 09:06:14AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 03:06:26PM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 07:57:29AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: You guys

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Jona Joachim
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 10:24:42AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: Tell me again how awesome xmonad works on arm. It actually does but well, not on OpenBSD for the moment. But that's a different problem, it's just that the developers of the main Haskell compiler happen to be on crack. -- Worse

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 05:35:44PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 10:24:42AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: Tell me again how awesome xmonad works on arm. It actually does but well, not on OpenBSD for the moment. But that's a different problem, it's just that the

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 09:06:14AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: And now let's start a flame war about weak vs. strong typing, and a second one about lazy (non-strict) vs. strict evaluation. I'll play :-) C has the right semantics for operating system code. Noone said that something

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 10:23:26AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: On Jun 20, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Kenneth R Westerback kwesterb...@rogers.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 09:06:14AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 03:06:26PM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: On Sun, Jun

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Jona Joachim
On 2010-06-20, Matthias Kilian k...@outback.escape.de wrote: On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 09:06:14AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: And now let's start a flame war about weak vs. strong typing, and a second one about lazy (non-strict) vs. strict evaluation. I'll play :-) C has the right

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Ian Darwin
For operating system code, yes. But for some stuff -- I mean real-world stuff like web applications -- languages like haskell or even lisp are probably more appropriate than C (and Haskell, Lisp and C are more appropriate than Java or PHP). Obviously. That's why so many real-world web sites

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Jona Joachim
On 2010-06-20, Ian Darwin i...@darwinsys.com wrote: For operating system code, yes. But for some stuff -- I mean real-world stuff like web applications -- languages like haskell or even lisp are probably more appropriate than C (and Haskell, Lisp and C are more appropriate than Java or PHP).

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Ian Darwin
Everybody uses it so it must be good, Nobody uses it so it must be bad, these are very weak arguments, there is no such causality. I didn't say it was good (and I'm no fan of PHP!), but the notion of appropriate has many shades of meaning which the original post on appropriate did not cover.

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:32:53PM -0400, Ian Darwin wrote: Obviously. That's why so many real-world web sites are written in Lisp, and so few are written in Java and PHP... Oh sure. Slow or insecure. Choose two.

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:32:53PM -0400, Ian Darwin wrote: For operating system code, yes. But for some stuff -- I mean real-world stuff like web applications -- languages like haskell or even lisp are probably more appropriate than C (and Haskell, Lisp and C are more appropriate than

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 01:05:49PM -0400, Ian Darwin wrote: Everybody uses it so it must be good, Nobody uses it so it must be bad, these are very weak arguments, there is no such causality. I didn't say it was good (and I'm no fan of PHP!), but the notion of appropriate has many shades of

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Jona Joachim
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 07:22:37PM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 01:05:49PM -0400, Ian Darwin wrote: Everybody uses it so it must be good, Nobody uses it so it must be bad, these are very weak arguments, there is no such causality. I didn't say it was good (and

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:32:53PM -0400, Ian Darwin wrote: For operating system code, yes. But for some stuff -- I mean real-world stuff like web applications -- languages like haskell or even lisp are probably more appropriate than C (and Haskell, Lisp and C are more appropriate than

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-20 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 07:48:55PM -0400, Kenneth R Westerback wrote: On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:32:53PM -0400, Ian Darwin wrote: For operating system code, yes. But for some stuff -- I mean real-world stuff like web applications -- languages like haskell or even lisp are probably more

Re: anyone interested in (or disgusted by) lang/pugs?

2010-06-16 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:05:55PM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: If anyone is interested, let me know; I'll just import it (and all necessary dependencies). Otherwise, I'll remove this stuff from my local tree in a few days. Some people asked me to just post the necessary ports here. Note: all