After reviewing CTM's web site I can't find any reference to HTML at all.
My comments relate to not following Mac standards, and confusing
operation. They have nothing to do with as advertised, but with the
program I am using.
- Winston
I am not going to big into this thread, sorry.
but one
Matthias -
How are you able to quote with the header above the quote showing
date, time and sender? Is this done with an AppleScript?
Am/On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:10:41 -0400 schrieb/wrote Winston Weinmann:
How much would that be? Dollars, Euros or Kuna? (or Swiss Francs?)
- Winston
Am/On
Has anyone compared PowerMail to Thunderbird?
Thanks.
- Winston
After reviewing CTM's web site I can't find any reference to HTML at all.
My comments relate to not following Mac standards, and confusing
operation. They have nothing to do with as advertised, but with the
program I am using.
HTML mail is not a mac standard. In fact, it is NOT an email
Am/On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:24:45 -0400 schrieb/wrote Winston Weinmann:
Has anyone compared PowerMail to Thunderbird?
not directly. I use TB sometime for testing or for imap.
TB has some advantages, like a GnuPGP Plugin, a bit better imap
implementation and html mail, if one likes that blinky
Am/On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:19:32 -0400 schrieb/wrote Winston Weinmann:
How are you able to quote with the header above the quote showing
date, time and sender? Is this done with an AppleScript?
No, I use AppleScript only to teach the bayes database of my mailserver ;-)
you go to preferences -
This is not an issue of whether HTML mail is or is not an email
standard. The issue is that PowerMail does not print correctly something
it can display. If PowerMail displayed JPEGs, PDFs or PowerPoint slides
I'd expect it to print them correctly (not that I need or want PowerMail
to display those
do you think users would accept this behavior from any other
mainstream Mac program without complaining? What if Word could not print
RTF files correctly, since they are not Word format files?
Of course you picked the wrong file format for the wrong product. ;-)
RTF is of course a MS creation
On 4/19/07, at 8:28 AM, Wayne Brissette [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
You really have two options at this point. Either use the workaround of
viewing and printing in a web browser, or switch to another email
client. I doubt that a ton of effort is going to be spent on this issue
because most of us
Exactly. That's why the printing problem is so glaring a defect.
- Winston
Winston, if you jump over the html issue, PM is one of the best, if not
THE best mail-client for the Mac.
And I recently tested them all, because I had to implement a mail-client
in a database.
Thanks and all the best
You must not have four children in three schools all of whom attend
various games, practices, parties, classes and other events in obscure
locations. Or live in a city where directions are needed often.
Then there are school instructions, lists of dates for the above
activities, invitations,
Winston Weinmann on 4/19/07 said
Has anyone compared PowerMail to Thunderbird?
Yes, I ran both together for a month or two. I am now running PowerMail alone.
Thunderbird: free PM: costs $
Thunderbird: shows html or pictures according to your preferences by each
folder/account.
PM: must choose
I've been watching this discussion with interest. I've been using
PowerMail for a while now, and I've recommended it to many people, but
I'm gradually making the transition to Thunderbird -- I've got it on my
laptop now -- still using PowerMail on my desktop. The two main reasons...
1.
Winston Weinmann on 4/19/07 said
Wayne wrote:
I doubt that a ton of effort is going to be spent on this issue
because most of us don't really use that feature often and I, and I'm
sure others, would rather see CTM Dev spend their time improving or
fixing other issues rather than HTML email.
Winston Weinmann on 4/19/07 said
You must not have four children in three schools all of whom attend
various games, practices, parties, classes and other events in obscure
locations. Or live in a city where directions are needed often.
Then there are school instructions, lists of dates for the
On Apr 19, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Barbara Needham wrote:
Spam: SpamSieve works seamlessly with PowerMail. As far as I can
see, it
does not work with Thunderbird.
SpamSieve 2.6 does work with Thunderbird. However, the accuracy of
the spam filtering will be a bit higher if you use it with
I don't carry a PDA and don't carry my iBook with me everywhere. Nor do
I hang it on the refrigerator or on one of the clips we use for each
child. Again, I am concerned with PowerMail printing, not how I organize
the rest of my life.
- Winston
Barbara Needham wrote:
Winston Weinmann on
Am/On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:59:48 -0700 schrieb/wrote Barbara Needham:
Winston Weinmann on 4/19/07 said
Has anyone compared PowerMail to Thunderbird?
Yes, I ran both together for a month or two. I am now running PowerMail
alone.
Thunderbird: free PM: costs $
Thunderbird: shows html or pictures
I can print text emails. I know how to switch to text from HTML. I trash
most all-image emails (even from places like schools) without looking at
them. I'd rather have all-text email.
But PowerMail still does not properly print what it can display, and the
way it does it is less than helpful.
Wayne Brissette said:
improving or fixing other issues rather than HTML email.
But the issue is *printing* HTML-messages, nothing else. And since when
is it useful to discuss what CTM should use time for or not? We can
discuss the merits of any approach, but its CTM's call what to
prioritize,
Winston Weinmann said:
If PowerMail sent all HTML email to a web browser for reading I could
live with that. But if it can display HTML email, and print it, it
should do so in the same way as every other Mac program. What it does
now is neither standard nor intuitive.
This is stating the
Marlyse Comte said:
maybe I am getting old or maybe I am getting just tired of the old same
old same why is this not an html email application... because it's not
and never has been and I just feel if that is what people want to begin
with, well why do they even get powermail in the first place
Barbara Needham sez:
Also, I do not think it makes CTM look professional to have such an
obvious bug. It certainly prevents me from recommending PowerMail to
others, even if I keep using it. The problem is too quirky for new users
to have to deal with.
Apparently it doesn't bother a lot of us,
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 4:59 pm -0700, Barbara Needham wrote:
I prefer text e-mails so that is another factor with me pro PowerMail.
I don't think any of the people asking for better HTML support are
saying they _prefer_ HTML mail; simply that they have to live with
receiving it.
--
TimH
Michael Lewis wrote:
Why should I care if my email program can print HTML as long as
one click takes me to a browser that does?
PowerMail pretends to print HTML email properly, and does not warn users
that it does not. I am not complaining that PM does not print HTML. I am
complaining that
After my upgrade from Mac OS 10.3.9 to 10.4.9 PowerMail now waits until
my wireless connection is re-established before it checks for new mail.
No more error messages because PM tries to check mail before AirPort was
up. (PowerMail 5.5.3)
I don't know whether to thank CTM, Apple or both, but
Wayne Brissette wrote:
And as an old timer myself. I'm just as tired of people trying to make
PM an HTML email client. Having a text email client has so many
advantages that I'm not sure where to begin. Probably the two most
important are that there is no way of faking people out and trying to
Winston Weinmann / 2007/04/19 / 02:52 PM wrote:
After my upgrade from Mac OS 10.3.9 to 10.4.9 PowerMail now waits until
my wireless connection is re-established before it checks for new mail.
No more error messages because PM tries to check mail before AirPort was
up. (PowerMail 5.5.3)
Really?!
I've had trouble with the occasional email coming as a winmail.dat
attachment, which my Mac (i.e. PowerMail) can't read. I recently ran
across a program which can open them, TNEF's Enough. From the ReadMe:
TNEF's Enough allows Macs to read and extract files from Microsoft TNEF
stream files. The
Winston Weinmann sez:
You should care because if you are like many people, your email is an
important part of your life. If CTM does not consider such a basic
feature worth fixing, don't you worry about how CTM will deal with less
obvious but perhaps more consequential problems?
But I don't
Michael Lewis wrote:
I'm just providing my experience and a possible
workaround if you really wish to continue using PM for whatever features
you do like while waiting for CTM to fix this one. (A clue: they rarely
say what they are working on. They aren't a large company. They may or
may not be
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