Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-15 Thread Michael Lewis
Tom Miller sez: From http://news.com.com/2061-10793_3-5746741.html The same day that Steve Jobs announced Apple's plans to adopt Intel chips, the company filed a trademark application for the term Mactel. Well, phooey on them. Mactel already was used once by a defunct Mac clone maker. A search

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-10 Thread Barbara Needham
Ben Kennedy on 6/9/05 said (similar to saying Xbox 360 has PowerPC, now we should be able to run Mac OS X on it!) Well, someone did do this, I read... they said it ran really really slow. -- Barbara Needham

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-10 Thread Mikael Byström
Michael Lewis said: I like Macintel. picks up the in of MacINtosh and INtel, melding the two words nicely. Plus, there used to be a clone maker named MacTell. Top! You have my vote. :) PM 5.2b6 | OS X 10.3.6 | Powerbook G4/550 | 512 MB RAM | 30 GB HD

Re(2): PM on Mactels?

2005-06-10 Thread Karel Gillissen
Yeah, and my concern is that they will probably change the Mac startup- chime to that dreadful Intel dingle-thing :-P Karel Op woensdag, 8 juni 2005 schreef A-NO-NE Music: The first dev machine with, not Pentium M, but P4 is scheduled to ship in two weeks as I heard. Anyway, my only concern

[OT] Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread Marlyse Comte
Please put a [OT] = OFF TOPIC into the subject line, then my filter can catch this thread and handle accordingly, i.e. automatically trash it ;-) It's amazing the heated discussions on the various lists, and I am subscribed to several, and it really does not interest me THAT much even though I'm

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread Michael Lewis
Ben Kennedy sez: I guess you are probably kidding, but in case you aren't, there is no correlation between the two clauses. I'm not kidding, and I know there would still be conversion work to be done, even without the Endian issues to worry about. I did have the word convert in there. I don't

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread Michael Lewis
A-NO-NE Music sez: The good news is this dev machine, x86/P4 Mac seems to be wacky fast :-) And the interesting thing is that's not even close to what the final Macintel will be like. By this time next year when the first consumer Macintels are showing up, the chips will likely be faster, and

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Matthias Schmidt / 2005/06/09 / 11:59 PM wrote: isn't it just a change like from the 68k chips to the PPC ? Nope. The byte order is backward. Was 68k RISC? I don't remember, but 68k to PPC shared the same instruction language. Not this time with Intel CISC. www.xlr8yourmac.com posted a

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread Matthias Schmidt
in the beginning of the Mac Aera there was a nice little game ... smash the IBM-Logo *g* But actually I don't understand the heated discussions, we have now on every forum. If one lets all those ideological preconception aside, isn't it just a change like from the 68k chips to the PPC ? Of

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread Tom Dillon
Hiro sez: Anyway, my only concern is dreaded Intel Inside sticker. That would turn me off for ever! More than the current IBM Inside? It wasn't all THAT long ago that IBM was the enemy. A friend of mine had a t-shirt with I 'd B uy a M ac In Big Blue's striped letters of the time.

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Tim Lapin / 2005/06/08 / 07:34 PM wrote: All kidding aside, we still have a year before the first ones roll off the assembly line and two years before the whole lineup has been replaced. That means there will be plenty of time for developers like CTMDEV to verify their code. The first dev

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread Tim Lapin
On Wednesday, June 8, 2005, Michael Lewis sent forth: A-NO-NE Music sez: No, you have Wintel and now we'll have Mactel. You have W-Intel, and now we'll have Mac-Intel :-) I like Macintel. picks up the in of MacINtosh and INtel, melding the two words nicely. Plus, there used to be a

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread Ben Kennedy
Jay wrote at 12:26 pm (-0700) on 08 6 2005: You are OBVIOUSLY failing to grasp the gravity of this issue, Mr. MacKennedy! :-) How did you know there was Scottish lineage in my family tree? ;) -b -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread Tom Miller
On 6/8/05, at 12:26 PM, Jay, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You are both wrong. It's Mintel. Finally!.a voice of reason. :-) Well, I still wonder if PM will be modified to run natively on Intel Macs. Tom Miller ... The only time we see the middle

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread Jay
On 6/8/05, Daniele declared: You are both wrong. It's Mintel. Finally!.a voice of reason. :-) ---Jay

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread Jay
On 6/8/05, Ben declared: Relax, Tom. Show us the Wintel(r)(tm) and Mactel(r)(tm) trademarks and then you can sue Hiro. In the mean time, accept that he was partly kidding, and I think just trying to point out that these words are just community slang anyway (so who really cares). You are

Re(2): PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread Richard Davis
You ALL have it wrong. There is already Mac vs Win designation. What is needed is a processor based designation for the Mac platform. With the advent of the PowerPC the Mac became PowerMac. So to differentiate between PowerPC chipped Mac and Intel chipped Mac you would have PowerMac vs

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread Michael Lewis
A-NO-NE Music sez: No, you have Wintel and now we'll have Mactel. You have W-Intel, and now we'll have Mac-Intel :-) I like Macintel. picks up the in of MacINtosh and INtel, melding the two words nicely. Plus, there used to be a clone maker named MacTell. Sorry for adding to the

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread Daniele Procida
On Wed, Jun 8, 2005, Tom Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have W-Intel, and now we'll have Mac-Intel :-) Sorry, Win-dows and In-tel becomes Wintel. Similarly, it's Mactel. You are both wrong. It's Mintel. Daniele -- Apple Juice Ltd www.apple-juice.co.uk

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread Ben Kennedy
Tom Miller wrote at 2:23 pm (-0400) on 08 6 2005: Sorry, Win-dows and In-tel becomes Wintel. Similarly, it's Mactel. Relax, Tom. Show us the Wintel(r)(tm) and Mactel(r)(tm) trademarks and then you can sue Hiro. In the mean time, accept that he was partly kidding, and I think just trying to

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread Tom Miller
On 6/8/05, at 2:11 PM, A-NO-NE Music, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You have W-Intel, and now we'll have Mac-Intel :-) Sorry, Win-dows and In-tel becomes Wintel. Similarly, it's Mactel. So PM uses Xcode? No, but that's where Rosseta comes in. Granted, it would be great if PM is moved to XCode so we

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread Barbara Needham
Tom Miller on 6/8/05 said Okay, I'll ask. Will PowerMail be running on Mactels when the first ones are shipped in a year? The received wisdom is that all OS X apps will run and no classic apps will. That was the information we received at fmug [fresno] from a developer last night. Hopefully

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Tom Miller / 2005/06/08 / 01:55 PM wrote: No, you have Wintel and now we'll have Mactel. You have W-Intel, and now we'll have Mac-Intel :-) So PM uses Xcode? No, but that's where Rosseta comes in. Granted, it would be great if PM is moved to XCode so we can L10N easily :-) -- - Hiro

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread Tom Miller
On 6/8/05, at 1:35 PM, A-NO-NE Music, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You mean MacIntel? No, you have Wintel and now we'll have Mactel. PM is one of these Rosseta compatible app. My guess is there would be no issue there. If you are interested in, read this:

Re: PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread Ben Kennedy
Tom Miller wrote at 12:15 pm (-0400) on 08 6 2005: Okay, I'll ask. Will PowerMail be running on Mactels when the first ones are shipped in a year? Of course it will, along with every other Mach-O PPC app you already have. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services

PM on Mactels?

2005-06-09 Thread Tom Miller
Okay, I'll ask. Will PowerMail be running on Mactels when the first ones are shipped in a year? Tom Miller ... The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side. R.O.Clark