> On 16 Dec 2016, at 22:40, neil johnson wrote:
>
> the one I've never thought of until recently is the idea that we might
> possibly feel less fulfilled without those "aren't I clever" moments. I
> wouldn't claim it's the deciding factor, but a possible factor nonetheless.
So can anyone thi
ha. I guess there's more than 1 perspective here. I'm a test engineer. I
think it's common for testers to feel that finding a defect validates their
existence (makes them happy). and at a minimum, I think developers are
relieved by defects being fixed (even if we assume they hate doing it).
On
thomas, that's pretty much it (right down to the mention of unit testing...
though technique probably isn't important for the discussion). wrt taking
on new techniques that promote defect reduction, I've heard extra effort
mentioned as a deterrent (I don't have time for this). I know learning ne
Un-substantiated generalisations combined with accusations are rude in a
number of ways, Derek. If you write to a group, you are writing to a
group. Writing to a group is supposed to help you with your manners!
I would not have an issues if Paola exercised moderation duties beyond
polite emails.
Neil,
ha. I guess there's more than 1 perspective here. I'm a test engineer. I
think it's common for testers to feel that finding a defect validates their
existence (makes them happy).
Yes, I have seen this.
It is a shame, because tests that don't fail can be just as useful.
I have read a sur
Paola,
You have obviously never worked in software development.
One of the things I’ve learnt is that any statement starting with “you” is very
likely to make people defensive and produce a negative outcome.
I'm sure Neil can stand up for himself.
Derek, I’d appreciate it if you could exp
Long time since I’ve done this and I was never professional, but I remember
thinking that a good intriguing bug was like a good whodunnit - looking for
shreds of evidence, and getting a nice surprise when I found the answer - and a
bit of an ego-boost, quite often (“oooh, aren’t I clever, to hav
Hi Neil,
On opinion, I see more value in discerning what (cultural, historical)
affordances there are for doing good work (collaboration, craftsmanship,
design, reflexive development of skills) and consider what avenues there
are for satisfaction within those settings.
Best,
Huw
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http://www.boo
It might be helpful if you clarify whether you mean ephemeral flaws (see work
by Tamara Lopez) or reported bugs.
Personally I can confess to occasions as a developer when there has been a
little hint of anti-climax when something i write works first time. I can't
deny that tackling the puzzle o
Derek writes:
> You have obviously never worked in software development.
One of the things I’ve learnt is that any statement starting with “you” is very
likely to make people defensive and produce a negative outcome.
Derek, I’d appreciate it if you could express your opinions from your
perspect
Neil,
or put another way... if software developers (problem solvers) actually
enjoy finding/fixing defects (solving problems), is the personal joy they
feel great enough
You have obviously never worked in software development.
Developers hate fixing defects.
Developers enjoy writing new code
this is a pretty specific topic, but I'm looking for material/research
related to the psychological effects of software defects on developers.
specifically, I'm wondering if there's any research that shows developers
feel an emotional benefit from finding/fixing a software defect (and
further t
http://goo.gl/ThkX8J
apologies if this is nothing new here.
sorry for bad paste formatting below.
Subrecursive Programming Languages, Part h Efficiency
and Program Structure
ROBERT L. CONSTABLE
Cornell University, Ithaca, New York
AND
ALLAN B. BORODIN
University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Cana
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