Re: [NF] learn more about what you hate so much.

On Oct 6, 2017, at 4:37 PM, Paul Hemans wrote: > Being open source guarantees that it can be forked and that we don't end up > in the dead end that VFP became. But there are other options for strongly > typed JS available. It is just that being associated with MS means

Re: [NF] learn more about what you hate so much.

On Oct 6, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Paul H. Tarver wrote: > I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure Microsoft "forked" Foxpro > developers. Amen to that, brother! -- Ed Leafe --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/signed text/plain (text body --

RE: [NF] learn more about what you hate so much.

+1 -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hemans Sent: Saturday, 7 October 2017 9:37 AM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] learn more about what you hate so much. "I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure Microsoft "forked"

Re: [NF] Replacing IE's "Export to Excel" in Edge

I CP/M on my Osborne I, thank you very much! :) I started young hit my first TRS-80 Model 1 when I was eleven. FYI, I own a C-64, TI-99, Sinclair 1000, Osborne I, IBM PC and a COSMAC Trainer. I was the kid with his nose pressed against the Radio Shack window instead of the pet store. :) Paul

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On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 5:35 PM, Paul H. Tarver wrote: > I don't mean to sound stupid, although I'm sure the moniker fits at times, > but what does a Foxpro "non-MS application" look like? > > IOS? Android? Linux? Unix? CP/M? OS/2? > CP/M? How old are you? Woah! I haven't pip'ed

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"I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure Microsoft "forked" Foxpro developers." Yes, and I definitely will never forgive them for that! On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Paul H. Tarver wrote: > I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure Microsoft "forked" Foxpro >

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I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure Microsoft "forked" Foxpro developers. [Sorry but I couldn’t resist, it's FRIDAY!] Paul H. Tarver Email: p...@tpcqpc.com -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hemans Sent: Friday,

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Correction: OS/2 should not have been on my list of "non-MS" operating systems. :) Paul H. Tarver Email: p...@tpcqpc.com -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul H. Tarver Sent: Friday, October 06, 2017 4:35 PM To:

Re: [NF] learn more about what you hate so much.

Being open source guarantees that it can be forked and that we don't end up in the dead end that VFP became. But there are other options for strongly typed JS available. It is just that being associated with MS means that it has stronger support, whereas other open source projects can simply dry

RE: [NF] Replacing IE's "Export to Excel" in Edge

I don't mean to sound stupid, although I'm sure the moniker fits at times, but what does a Foxpro "non-MS application" look like? IOS? Android? Linux? Unix? CP/M? OS/2? Paul H. Tarver Email: p...@tpcqpc.com -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On

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Whoops! My mouse cut half the message as I hit Send: Not Fox, though Fox makes perfectly good HTML so it could have been: A client uses a web application of mine to run a set of HTML reports. Right-clicking on the resulting table gives her an "Export to Excel" option that pops the table up in

[NF] Replacing IE's "Export to Excel" in Edge

Not Fox, though Fox makes perfectly good HTML so it could have been: A clien set of HTML reports she runs in one of my applications. "Export to Excel" t calls me up and complains the right-mouse-click-menu option "Export to Excel" doesn't work any more on awas an IE feature when you examined an

Re: [NF] learn more about what you hate so much.

developed and promoted by Microsoft, and widely considered as part of the MS ecosystem even if it's technically open source. perceptions weigh more than facts, I can testify. Thierry Nivelet FoxInCloud Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud http://foxincloud.com/ Le 06/10/2017 à 16:55,

RE: [NF] learn more about what you hate so much.

< To me the value is not so much in VFP, but in the intelligence accumulated (capitalized) into the software along the years, what finance people call 'intangible'.> +1 Paul H. Tarver Email: p...@tpcqpc.com -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On

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On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, at 03:14 PM, Thierry Nivelet wrote: > Typescript is Microsoft; It's also open source, and only one of a range of similar tools. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com

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I remember when Jim passed away. Maybe the new writer is paying homage with a pen name. On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Ted Roche wrote: > Jim had a son, Graham, and passed away in 2002: > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/11/business/jim-seymour-60- >

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Typescript is Microsoft; Microsoft used to impose *de facto standards* in the 90's, no more chance any time soon. Thierry Nivelet FoxInCloud Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud http://foxincloud.com/ Le 06/10/2017 à 16:03, Alan Bourke a écrit : On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, at 12:08 AM, Paul

Re: [NF] learn more about what you hate so much.

On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, at 12:08 AM, Paul Hemans wrote: > I think everyone should be aware that Anders Hejlsberg (Turbo Pascal, > Delphi and C#) is now on Typescript. This speaks volumes. It's certainly welcome that things like TypeScript are gaining widespread acceptance and providing a way to

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You need HTML CSS and JS to get something workable Thierry Nivelet FoxInCloud Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud http://foxincloud.com/ Le 06/10/2017 à 14:52, Eric Selje a écrit : Ok, I haven't had my coffee yet. It moves the forms to HTML, not Javascript. My bad. Eric On Fri, Oct

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Jim had a son, Graham, and passed away in 2002: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/11/business/jim-seymour-60-chronicler-of-personal-computers-rise.html On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Eric Selje wrote: > Speaking of PC Magazine (which I read religiously and actually kept from

Re: [NF] Lenovo observes the 25th anniversary of the ThinkPad

Speaking of PC Magazine (which I read religiously and actually kept from 1985-1991 and looked awesome on the shelf w/ all the white spines), I see they have a writer named Jennifer Seymour. I looked to see if she's the daughter of writer Jim Seymour, but couldn't find anything confirming that. On

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Ok, I haven't had my coffee yet. It moves the forms to HTML, not Javascript. My bad. Eric On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Eric Selje wrote: > /Transpile to .js/ > > Rich Hassler modified Feltman's F1's code generator to create JavaScript > forms, and it works surprisingly

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/Transpile to .js/ Rich Hassler modified Feltman's F1's code generator to create JavaScript forms, and it works surprisingly well (though not perfect). Of course that's only the UI but if everything is separated you can keep the back end on Fox and make web calls. I'm trying to persuade him to

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I'm convinced that although Vista had serious issues, the perception that Vista was terrible was made worse because of the major changes to the UI. Nobody likes change and inertia being what it is, our nature is to resist any attempt to make us change. And yes I am including myself in that

Re: [NF] learn more about what you hate so much.

I have seen a few potential projects that the replacement had to be identical to the former product, only on a new platform. Instead of making an app that fit the platform first and doing what is needed as well. On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 4:39 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: > On

Re: [NF] learn more about what you hate so much.

On Thu, 5 Oct 2017, at 10:42 PM, Darren wrote: > I know of a bank that spent upwards of 30M trying to port a VFP app, that > had been developed over 15+ years with a group of developers, to .NET - > all got dumped. 30M+ wasted None of these are a necessarily a .NET problem though, you can point

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Thierry, I think you are onto something, though my perspective is not so much on the interface but rather the business rules. That is where I see the intangibles. Foxers have accumulated a library of business domain knowledge and some are now retiring. All that knowledge is going to be lost. What

Re: [NF] learn more about what you hate so much.

I advocate that JavaScript will be tomorrow's big thing since 2005… A transpiler would have a very hard time understanding language-specific concepts like SET, cursors, etc. and translate them into a different language; it could obviously cope with expressions and functions, and some

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To me the value is not so much in VFP, but in the intelligence accumulated (capitalized) into the software along the years, what finance people call 'intangible'. That's where the value really is, as we've written this back in 2010 (http://foxincloud.com/why.php). Balmer betting on a 'savior'