On Apr 19, 2007, at 4:39 PM, Derek Kalweit wrote:
>>> Still no luck finding any funding for Dabo?
>
>> I haven't been looking. That in itself would be a full-
>> time pursuit.
>
> Any significant contributors other than Paul and yourself?
Yes, there are several people who have co
> > Today, yes. Someone mentioned 50 years from now...
> Oh, geez. You going to guarantee that we'll be using anything like
> we are today in that time frame? 50 years ago computing as we know it
> didn't even exist.
Exactly. I certainly won't care in 50 years, nor will most here I'm gues
On Apr 19, 2007, at 4:09 PM, Derek Kalweit wrote:
> Today, yes. Someone mentioned 50 years from now...
Oh, geez. You going to guarantee that we'll be using anything like
we are today in that time frame? 50 years ago computing as we know it
didn't even exist.
> Still no luck finding a
On Apr 19, 2007, at 4:01 PM, Robert Jennings wrote:
> Ouch that sounds painful!
It's really no different than most 'shopping cart' designs. Bizobjs
are pretty lightweight, so it wouldn't be too much of a burden to
keep lots of them around.
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> > You're still assuming the Python language developers
> > won't lose interest(or die off, or be bought off, etc.) during the
> > lifetime of your app-- and if so, hope that others pick up the torch
> > and continue... Python is far bigger than most, but there are a
> > **LOT** of dead open sourc
On Apr 19, 2007, at 3:52 PM, Derek Kalweit wrote:
> The same can happen to open source. Those writing code in python
> aren't necessarily able to write and maintain the language itself.
> Python itself evaluates to machine code at some point-- likely the
> core parts of Python are written in C(I'm
Ouch that sounds painful!
Rob
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> We are not putting all our eggs (if any) into .NET as we may end up in
> the same position in another 15 years time. I think that long term, Open
> Source is the way to go. Then you know that your code is going to work
> in 50 years time! If you've got the head for it, you can recompile the
> run
On Apr 19, 2007, at 3:41 PM, Ted Roche wrote:
> And, of course, you're still stuck with the problem of a
> single-sourced vendor platform.
Unfortunately, most don't recognize that as a problem; they see it
as a positive thing.
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On Apr 19, 2007, at 3:31 PM, Robert Jennings wrote:
> I was thinking that I would have to program in the ability to do
> below.
> We've got it working very simply, the Eva Webserver maintains session
> state I think, but we put enough information into the links to get
> back
> to where you wer
> > Hopefully they get it right. And then you can use it with Mono on Linux...
> There's a lot of assumptions piled on other assumptions. Python does,
> now, run on a variety of platforms. That seems like a more solid
> choice for me.
Yes, there's some assumptions. Assumptions as to Mono working
On 4/19/07, Derek Kalweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Seems like a tool that compiles VFP code into .NET code would provide
> better ROI versus re-writing in DABO/Python...
Seems like an interesting exercise in risk management. VFP is so
idiomatic, it will be nteresting to see how true a transla
mpile the
runtimes to run in any OS and then have your app run on the runtime.
Robert
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On 4/19/07, Robert Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wouldn't you be able to include web functionality
On Apr 19, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Derek Kalweit wrote:
> Anyone try it on Solaris yet?
No, not that I know of. I do know that both Python, Gtk and wxPython
run great on Solaris, so I don't see why there would be any problems.
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> To think the M$ asked me if my roadmap included re-writing everything to
> take advantages of new features in new languages (i.e. .NET)! The answer
> is NO, my apps and code work fine, Sell them, don't re-write the whole
> bloody lot. Where is the business sense in that?
>
> Still, I think the mo
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On Apr 19, 2007, at 3:16 PM, Robert Jennings wrote:
> Wouldn't you be able to include web functionality whilst providing a
> desktop app?
On 4/19/07, Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Or on any of the other platforms that Dabo works on: Mac OS X,
> Solaris, Windows,...
Anyone try it on Solaris yet?
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On 4/19/07, Robert Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wouldn't you be able to include web functionality whilst providing a
> desktop app?
Sure, but that's not the focus of the dabodev effort. As Ed/Paul say,
there are lots of good web frameworks out there. At this point you
could certainly sha
On Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:16 PM Robert Jennings wrote:
>Wouldn't you be able to include web functionality whilst providing a
desktop app?
>I've managed to get a webserver running in my app to serve out pages to
users with browsers.
>Using the tiered approach, would it not be possible to pass
On Apr 19, 2007, at 2:54 PM, David Crooks wrote:
> What is the level of effort to have it run on the web?
See my other reply.
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On Apr 19, 2007, at 3:16 PM, Robert Jennings wrote:
> Wouldn't you be able to include web functionality whilst providing a
> desktop app?
>
> I've managed to get a webserver running in my app to serve out
> pages to
> users with browsers.
>
> Using the tiered approach, would it not be possible t
On Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:09 PM Ted Roche wrote:
>Quoting dabodev.com:
>"Desktop applications. That's what Dabo does. It's not YAWF (yet
another web framework). There are plenty of
> excellent web frameworks out there, so if that's what you are looking
for, Dabo isn't for you.
>But there are
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On 4/19/07, David Crooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> What is the level of effort to have it run on the web?
&
Ted,
I'll get with it soon! lol
Robert
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On 4/19/07, David Crooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> What is the level of effort to have it run on the web?
>
Quoting dabodev.com:
"Desktop applications. That's what Dabo does. It's not YAWF (yet
another web framework). There are plenty of excellent web frameworks
out there, so if that's what
On 4/19/07, Robert Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for the tip, I've never really looked into WSH, but if I get time
> I might take a delve into it. (Then again, thanks to MS killing VFP, a 9
> man year re-write of all my applications in Dabo might not give me any
> spare time! ;o)
A
Ed,
I thought it would run everywhere ;o)
Rob
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On Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:52 PM Ed Leafe wrote:
> JIC you didn't know - no need to run Dabo on Linux. It runs
great on Windows, too!
What is the level of effort to have it run on the web?
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On Apr 19, 2007, at 2:42 PM, Robert Jennings wrote:
> Still, I think the move to DABO/Python will give us an advantage when
> everyone moves over to Linux, specially in the business world where
> they
> can save on licensing fees for their Oses.
JIC you didn't know - no need to run Dabo
e another thread?
Robert
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Hullo
Hullo Robert -
here's my SWAG (Scientific Wild @ss Guess)
Given:
1. That backup program is mostly brain dead when it comes to handling open
files.
2. AD runs as a service and can be stopped either interactively or
programmatically via WSH.
3. When AD is not running, the files it uses are not
rsday, April 19, 2007 4:27 AM
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> Gil,
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> Yes the cost of LTO's is quite high, but I like the fact that I can do a
> Daily FULL backup during the afternoon, pop the tapes out and take them
> home. If
ages. Awful thought, eh?
Gil
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> Gil,
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peace with the world now and I can ride around
without a conscience.
Dave Crozier
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Gil,
Yes the co
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Oh yeah, VSS is apparently quite fragile. I have read somewhere that
when it works it works great, and when it breaks it is a bitch to get
fixed. I had VSS fail on one of
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Gil,
Thanks.
I've had trouble with VSS before and I restarted the service before a
backup to get over it. I've n
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> Gil,
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> Thanks.
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> I've had trouble with VSS before and I restarted the service before
7;ll try the restarting VSS
service before I try the backup tomorrow as I'm off home now.
Robert
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tion, it is a good
thing to be aware of for general backup strategies.
Good luck!
Gil
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Hi all,
I can't find any information on this exact problem on Technet.
I'm using the SBS2003 backup utility and it's failing on Backup when it
gets to the AD.
Details Application Event Log has the following
Event Type: Error
Event Source: NTBackup
Event Category: None
Event ID: 8012
Date: 18
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