Leland,
http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn27/rapture.htm
That was an interesting discussion. Thank you!
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Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
What if God made it His business to create a soul upon human
conception, or to put it another way, past the age of conception?
There is no way to know if He has or has not, but to assume that He
has not is meddling in God's business, is it not? This is what the
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
Charlie,
However, the Bible is pretty clear about
the requirement for Salvation: accepting
Christ, the Son of God, as your personal
savior.
There is nothing in the texts about accepting Christ as your personal
savior. This is a stitched together point of
At 09:24 PM 8/10/2006 -0400, Ed Leafe wrote:
In terms of being 'saved' and going to heaven, just doing good
works will not cut it. Accepting that Christ died and rose from the
dead to be the sacrifice for our sins is the key to salvation.
Am I correct in inferring then that if you do
On Aug 11, 2006, at 4:04 PM, Charlie Coleman wrote:
I think I can understand why you're critical of organized
Christianity. It seems from your past posts that you may not have,
in fact, ever dealt with a Christian. Or, that perhaps all the
Christians you've dealt with were not actual
Charlie,
If that doesn't clear it up I'll go try to find the verses
that refer to this.
I've been a Christian for nearly 40 years and haven't ever been willing to
swallow the evangelical story line whole even when I was 14 years old. If
you really think you can convince me of something by
Charlie,
As an example, I believe Kris has met
several non-Christian Christians.
I don't know whether they are or not. I just know they are not walking the
walk anywhere near me.
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Ed,
Right here on this list there are many who
call themselves Christians who are in favor
of torture and dropping nukes to wipe out
entire countries.
And then there are others of us that are really annoyed by that group...
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Yep, and it's interesting that the ones with a Armageddon now - nuke up
all attitude are labeling the peacemakers who want a stop to the
pointless ME war as left wing extremist. Talking about upside down LOL
Regards,
LelandJ
Ed Leafe wrote:
On Aug 11, 2006, at 4:04 PM, Charlie Coleman
At 04:15 PM 8/11/2006 -0400, Ed Leafe wrote:
I think I can understand why you're critical of organized
Christianity. It seems from your past posts that you may not have,
in fact, ever dealt with a Christian. Or, that perhaps all the
Christians you've dealt with were not actual Christians.
Leland,
Yep, and it's interesting that the ones with a
Armageddon now - nuke up all attitude are
labeling the peacemakers who want a stop to the
pointless ME war as left wing extremist.
Talking about upside down LOL
They annoy me too. I've been quieter than I should have been and I am not
Both the Jewish people and Christians are watching for the coming of the
Messiah. John Hagee recently organized a meeting of more than 3,000
pro-Israel evangelical to pressure the Bush Administration to lend more
support to Israel. A Jewish Rabi was interviewed by ABC news during the
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
snip
I don't actually know how many living things have a soul. I believe
that humans past some age do have a soul, but I suspect that there
are other living things as well that have souls or spirits. Again,
that falls into #3 -- God's business.
Hi Kris!
What if God
Leland Jackson wrote:
snip
The promise of God found in the Bible regarding eternal life is an
unsolved mystery, but Got either is, or Gos is not. I have faith that
God is.
Hi Leland!
The $8 spell checker must have Dot, DOS and Dog versions. The Windows
version most likely just the DOS one
Leland Jackson wrote:
Hi Leland!
You proofread *after* you send? Curious.
Regards,
Pete
Whoops, sorry Pete. s I guess I had better correct this. It should
read:
The promise of God found in the bible regarding eternal life is an
unsolved mystery, but God is, or God is not. I have
Leland Jackson wrote:
snip
A Jewish Rabi was interviewed by ABC news during the conference, and
asked about the close alliance between the US and Israel, considering
that the Jewish people have never accepted Jesus Christ. His reply
to the statement was disarming. He said, when we meet with
On Aug 10, 2006, at 2:08 PM, Wolfe Stephen S GS-11 6 MDSS/SGSI wrote:
In any event, this is one of the core differences
between Christianity and other religions: you don't do good works to
*get*
saved, you do good works *because* you are saved (i.e. you *want* to
please God because you
From: Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So good works are unimportant unless you're doing them for God? IOW,
if you're doing them because you have a conscience, and not because
you're trying to please God, those acts don't matter?
I hope that's not what you're saying, because that's
On Aug 10, 2006, at 3:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You can't buy your way into heaven Ed. That is what they were
trying to
say. Doing good things is the best thing to do. If your doing them
with ulterior motives, bad person!
Well, that contradicts Charlie's assertion that people like
From: Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can't buy your way into heaven Ed. That is what they were
trying to
say. Doing good things is the best thing to do. If your doing them
with ulterior motives, bad person!
Well, that contradicts Charlie's assertion that people like Ghandi,
On Aug 10, 2006, at 4:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sure that Ghandi is in Heaven. More because it's your soul and
sin
that is the indicator and not your beliefs. I am pretty certain that
God is scratching his/her/it's head in creating man who is nothing
better then a child in the
On Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:02 PM Stephen Russell wrote:
I'm sure that Ghandi is in Heaven. More because it's your soul and sin
that is the indicator and not your beliefs. I am pretty certain that
God is scratching his/her/it's head in creating man who is
nothing better then a child in the
At 03:12 PM 8/10/2006 -0400, Ed Leafe wrote:
In any event, this is one of the core differences between Christianity
and other religions: you don't do good works to *get*
saved, you do good works *because* you are saved (i.e. you *want* to
please God because you recognize what He's done for
On Aug 10, 2006, at 8:29 PM, Charlie Coleman wrote:
In terms of being 'saved' and going to heaven, just doing good
works will not cut it. Accepting that Christ died and rose from the
dead to be the sacrifice for our sins is the key to salvation.
Am I correct in inferring then that if you
Charlie,
However, the Bible is pretty clear about
the requirement for Salvation: accepting
Christ, the Son of God, as your personal
savior.
There is nothing in the texts about accepting Christ as your personal
savior. This is a stitched together point of view that is a recent creation
in the
At 11:16 PM 8/5/2006 -0700, Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
...
The eternal roasting stuff is something that was added by some Christian
groups after the fact. I never saw it in the Bible, and I've been through it
many times. Forgiveness at the last moment has a precedent in the story of
...
I'm not
Charlie,
I'm not precisely sure which Christian groups you're
referring to, but
there are some references to 'fire' being part of 'hell' in
the Bible. The
story of Lazarus and the rich man (Luke 16:19-31). And then there are
various references to the Lake of Fire. So there is some
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
snip
there is some basis for thinking that in hell there will be burning
torment.
I disagree. Some hold that the references to fire refer to the kind
of fire like in a trash dump or a cremation, which leaves nothing but
ash. I take exception to the idea of an eternal,
Pete,
Where in the first five books does the bible speak of
eternal fire, and escaping it by saying a prayer
before dying? Or do you mean the fundamentalists
are reading that in to something that says
something else?
The eternal roasting stuff is something that was added by some Christian
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
Pete,
Where in the first five books does the bible speak of
eternal fire, and escaping it by saying a prayer
before dying? Or do you mean the fundamentalists
are reading that in to something that says
something else?
The eternal roasting stuff is something that
Pete,
What about the thief who continued to mock Jesus?
Are you just trying to bait me?
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Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
Pete,
What about the thief who continued to mock Jesus?
Are you just trying to bait me?
Hi Kris!
Why, you know me better than that? s I would really like to know what
you think happened to him. He clearly didn't say a prayer before he
died, more on the order
petetheisen wrote:
Hi Lel . . . uh, Ed!
Angles would be problematical. Angels, on the other hand, all that
there are can be on the head of any pin, none of them take up any
space.
Angles the first SPAM.
Stephen Russell
DBA / Operations Developer
Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159
Ed,
It's the same principle as those who see abstaining
from sex as a virtue. God gave you genitals, but *good*
people don't use them unless they have to. Same thing
with the brain.
I know my viewpoints are unpopular among evangelicals. They all talk to each
other exclusively to the
Pete,
No, they are not in conflict at all. This is why I can hardly believe
that you don't believe the Word of God. Have you some reason to not
believe in the Word, Got notwithstanding?
I don't believe that the text we have today is the complete word that God
wanted us to hear. The first 5
Stephen the Cook wrote:
snip
Angles the first SPAM.
Stephen Russell
DBA / Operations Developer
Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159
http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/
Hi Stephen!
I don't understand the part about Angles the first SPAM. What do you
mean by that?
Regards,
Pete
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
Pete,
How do you know, did God tell you that He didn't say anything?
That is the kind of argument that goes around and around and never goes
anywhere. Faith and reason are not in conflict.
Hi Kris!
No, they are not in conflict at all. This is why I can hardly
On Aug 5, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
Try reason. Got gave you a brain. Perhaps you were supposed to USE it.
It's the same principle as those who see abstaining from sex as a
virtue. God gave you genitals, but *good* people don't use them
unless they have to. Same thing
Madigan,
Fornication falls under the Adultery banner.
Abortion comes under murder, dumbass
No, they do not. Murder is a special class of killing. Lots of types of
killing are not murder. Fornication is not adultery. Recall that in the Big
10, adultery is not called adultery, it is called
petetheisen wrote:
I don't understand the part about Angles the first SPAM. What do you
mean by that?
Messengers.
Stephen Russell
DBA / Operations Developer
Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159
http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/
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Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
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No, they are not in conflict at all. This is why I can hardly
believe that you don't believe the Word of God. Have you some
reason to not believe in the Word, Got notwithstanding?
I don't believe that the text we have today is the complete word that
God wanted us
Ed Leafe wrote:
On Aug 5, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
Try reason. Got gave you a brain. Perhaps you were supposed to USE
it.
It's the same principle as those who see abstaining from sex as a
virtue. God gave you genitals, but *good* people don't use them
unless they have
The whole idea of not using your genitals is to
prevent unwanted pregnancies. But some people feel
they know best.
--- petetheisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ed Leafe wrote:
On Aug 5, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Kristyne McDaniel
wrote:
Try reason. Got gave you a brain. Perhaps you
were supposed
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
snip)
It's the same principle as those who see abstaining from sex as a
virtue. God gave you genitals, but *good* people don't use them
unless they have to. Same thing with the brain.
I know my viewpoints are unpopular among evangelicals. They all talk
to each other
Stephen the Cook wrote:
petetheisen wrote:
I don't understand the part about Angles the first SPAM. What do you
mean by that?
Messengers.
Hi Stevphen!
Ok, but angels not angles.
Regards,
Pete
Stephen Russell
DBA / Operations Developer
Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
Madigan,
Fornication falls under the Adultery banner.
Abortion comes under murder, dumbass
No, they do not. Murder is a special class of killing. Lots of types
of killing are not murder. Fornication is not adultery. Recall that
in the Big 10, adultery is not
Stephen the Cook wrote:
snip
Fornication falls under the Adultery banner.
Abortion comes under murder, dumbass
No, they do not. Murder is a special class of killing. Lots of types
of killing are not murder. Fornication is not adultery. Recall that
in the Big 10, adultery is not called
On Aug 4, 2006, at 5:38 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
The earliest periods diagrammed in the timeline represent a fusion
between the two positions. Most scholarly assessments categorize the
early books of the Hebrew Bible as legend. Fundamentalists consider
them
to be real history. The diagrams
From: Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oh, this changes how I live my life, and what I hold to be important!!
I can't wait until he comes out with the Angles On The Head Of A Pin
chart!!
I like how it meshes the events across a variety of civilizations in the
time line. Impressive job
Ed, Stephen,
... early books of the Hebrew Bible as legend.
Fundamentalists consider them to be real history.
FWIW, I consider that point of view to simply be the belief system of a
person too lazy to reconcile fact and truth, and to understand what they
really are. Fact is what you get when
You haven't figured out that you're delutional
--- Kristyne McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ed, Stephen,
... early books of the Hebrew Bible as legend.
Fundamentalists consider them to be real history.
FWIW, I consider that point of view to simply be the
belief system of a
person
Ed Leafe wrote:
On Aug 4, 2006, at 5:38 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
The earliest periods diagrammed in the timeline represent a fusion
between the two positions. Most scholarly assessments categorize the
early books of the Hebrew Bible as legend. Fundamentalists consider them
to be real
Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
snip
There is no such thing as a God said it, I believe it, that settles it
truth or fact basis for life.
Hi Kris!
How do you know, did God tell you that He didn't say anything?
Regards,
Pete
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