Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-02-11 Thread Pete Theisen
On Thursday 08 February 2007 2:57 am, Michael Madigan wrote: I thought you WERE a TV. Hi Michael! Really? How, from my web picture? -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance:

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-02-11 Thread Michael Madigan
Not you, Dicardo. --- Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 08 February 2007 2:57 am, Michael Madigan wrote: I thought you WERE a TV. Hi Michael! Really? How, from my web picture? -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-02-08 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: I thought you WERE a TV. Now Mike, why would you say that of Pete? --- Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 26 January 2007 10:21 am, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: Jean Laeremans wrote: On 1/26/07, Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hahahaha! Good

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-02-07 Thread Pete Theisen
On Thursday 25 January 2007 5:50 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: snip Not exactly, the teaching says that the Pope is always right when he speaks about dogma (or something like that. Anyone with better info?). Hi Ricardo! That's close to it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility --

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-02-07 Thread Pete Theisen
On Friday 26 January 2007 6:57 pm, Jean Laeremans wrote: On 1/26/07, Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hahahaha! Good one! But you're wrong, he's the missing link between ape and Pete. No need to stoop to their level though Hi Jean! That you two should be so superior to Mike and

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-02-07 Thread Pete Theisen
On Friday 26 January 2007 10:21 am, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: Jean Laeremans wrote: On 1/26/07, Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hahahaha! Good one! But you're wrong, he's the missing link between ape and Pete. No need to stoop to their level though Why not! It's so funny! And

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-02-07 Thread Michael Madigan
I thought you WERE a TV. --- Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 26 January 2007 10:21 am, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: Jean Laeremans wrote: On 1/26/07, Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hahahaha! Good one! But you're wrong, he's the missing link between ape and Pete.

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-02-06 Thread Pete Theisen
On Monday 22 January 2007 8:21 pm, Ed Leafe wrote: snip Recalling my catechism from my childhood, I knew that baptized babies who died before the age of 7 were supposed to go straight to heaven, as they didn't have the capacity to distinguish right from wrong until that age, so they

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 07:47 PM 1/25/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: You are a Christian based on what is in your heart. If you go to a Christian Church every Sunday, donate a lot to charity, help the poor, and offer kindness to strangers, by all outward appearances you are a Christian. However, if while

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 03:13 AM 1/26/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: Charlie, Watch: http://www.thegodmovie.com Then think. I viewed the trailer. It appears it's a movie that claims Jesus never existed. This attack on Christianity is not new. It has been introduced, debunked, re-introduced, re-debunked many times in

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 07:53 PM 1/25/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: I don't know. During this discussion I imagined how I would feel if my children were killed. Either by some tragedy or by another person. All I can say is that I'd be grief-stricken. Maybe because I'll miss them in the few years I have

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Helio W.
Charlie, What are you coming up next? That evolution has already been debunked too? I hear all the time religious people claiming that there're plenty of scientific evidence pointing to criationism and that simply is not true. Criationism is a ludicrous lie. I've watched the documentary The God

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Michael Madigan
Jesus is a prophet in Islam. Jesus is the Messiah in Christianity To say that Jesus never existed is silly. --- Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 03:13 AM 1/26/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: Charlie, Watch: http://www.thegodmovie.com Then think. I viewed the trailer. It

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 07:57 PM 1/25/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: ... Hey! Didn't you say we have no control whatsoever over 'god's grace'? So if there's nothing you can do to get it, then there's nothing you can do to refuse it. Or do you question god's omnipotence? ... I don't recall saying that.

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Michael Madigan
Well if Creationism is ludicrous, where's the missing link between ape and man? I happen to believe in evolution and don't find it troubling at all. I believe Adam and Eve were a parable, as well as Noah and the Ark. This doesn't disprove God in any way for me. --- Helio W. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 08:07 PM 1/25/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: ... For even more fun, do you deny that God could limit Himself if He so chose? In other words, if He made a Covenant with humans, do you think He would stick to it? If he is really omnipotent, and always tells the truth (though that

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 02:57 AM 1/26/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: I believe God is real, and the Christian religion is right, based on faith, what I've researched, and what He's done in my life. Billions of Muslims and Hindus (among others) can say exactly the same thing. Your God is no more real than theirs

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Helio W.
Wow, they certainly taught you how NOT TO THINK very well... On 1/26/07, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I'm a infidel. I don't believe in God for the exact same reasons I don't believe in Zeus, Vishnu, Osiris, etc. OK. What are those reasons? --- StripMime Report --

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 03:40 PM 1/26/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: Wow, they certainly taught you how NOT TO THINK very well... No need to be insulting. Maybe I should have been more verbose in my question, so I'll restate it. So you say you reject God for the exact reasons you reject the concept of Zeus, Vishnu,

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 03:12 PM 1/26/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: Charlie, What are you coming up next? That evolution has already been debunked too? I hear all the time religious people claiming that there're plenty of scientific evidence pointing to criationism and that simply is not true. Criationism is a

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Helio W.
Charlie, The Bible is a piece of FOLKLORE, written by HUMANS. Jesus' life, as told by the gospels, have an uncanny similarity with folklore tales from other cultural traditions. It's pretty clear it's all made up. HW On 1/26/07, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. I'm not

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Helio W.
Charlie, The very likely probability of Jesus' life being (mostly) a work of fiction has been refuted many times, I know. But usually it has been refuted in the same way as evolutionism has been refuted, usually with silly and non-scientific arguments. For example, you're claiming that

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 1/26/07, Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well if Creationism is ludicrous, where's the missing link between ape and man? Had a look in the mirror lately ? A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance:

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Charlie Coleman wrote: At 07:47 PM 1/25/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: You are a Christian based on what is in your heart. If you go to a Christian Church every Sunday, donate a lot to charity, help the poor, and offer kindness to strangers, by all outward appearances you are a Christian.

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Charlie Coleman wrote: At 07:57 PM 1/25/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: ... Hey! Didn't you say we have no control whatsoever over 'god's grace'? So if there's nothing you can do to get it, then there's nothing you can do to refuse it. Or do you question god's omnipotence? ... I don't

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Michael Madigan
Pretty interesting how that folklore held on for 2000+ years. Pretty powerful folklore. --- Helio W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charlie, The Bible is a piece of FOLKLORE, written by HUMANS. Jesus' life, as told by the gospels, have an uncanny similarity with folklore tales from other

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: Well if Creationism is ludicrous, where's the missing link between ape and man? I can see I shamed you enough so you won't be laying your finger over language mistakes. Good! I happen to believe in evolution and don't find it troubling at all. I believe Adam and Eve

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Michael Madigan
God I'm good looking! But answer my question Frenchy. --- Jean Laeremans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/26/07, Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well if Creationism is ludicrous, where's the missing link between ape and man? Had a look in the mirror lately ? A+ jml

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Charlie Coleman wrote: At 08:07 PM 1/25/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: ... For even more fun, do you deny that God could limit Himself if He so chose? In other words, if He made a Covenant with humans, do you think He would stick to it? If he is really omnipotent, and always tells the

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Charlie Coleman wrote: At 03:12 PM 1/26/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: Charlie, What are you coming up next? That evolution has already been debunked too? I hear all the time religious people claiming that there're plenty of scientific evidence pointing to criationism and that simply is not

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Jean Laeremans wrote: On 1/26/07, Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well if Creationism is ludicrous, where's the missing link between ape and man? Had a look in the mirror lately ? Hahahaha! Good one! But you're wrong, he's the missing link between ape and Pete. A+ jml

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 1/26/07, Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hahahaha! Good one! But you're wrong, he's the missing link between ape and Pete. No need to stoop to their level though A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance:

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Charlie Coleman wrote: At 03:40 PM 1/26/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: Wow, they certainly taught you how NOT TO THINK very well... No need to be insulting. Maybe I should have been more verbose in my question, so I'll restate it. So you say you reject God for the exact reasons you reject

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Michael Madigan
Stoop? You need a ladder to get to my ankles. --- Jean Laeremans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/26/07, Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hahahaha! Good one! But you're wrong, he's the missing link between ape and Pete. No need to stoop to their level though A+ jml

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Jean Laeremans wrote: On 1/26/07, Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hahahaha! Good one! But you're wrong, he's the missing link between ape and Pete. No need to stoop to their level though Why not! It's so funny! And they get so disoriented. Beats the TV A+ jml [excessive

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: Stoop? You need a ladder to get to my ankles. So your neighbors finally hanged you by your ankles like they did to Mussolini? --- Jean Laeremans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/26/07, Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hahahaha! Good one! But you're wrong,

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 1/27/07, Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your sister said I was hung, I guess that's the same thing. How low can you go ? A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Helio W.
Charlie, I already said: it's a FACT that the Christian bible is a work written by many different men, (who frequently contradicted themselves), re-told myths from different cultural traditions, with loose links to historical events and facts, all build up from another religion (as is always the

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 04:06 PM 1/24/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: Charlie, Do you think the ancient Greeks, with their spectacular achievements, were all fooling themselves by believing in Zeus, Poseidon, Apollo, etc? What about ancient Egyptians? What about thousands of years of chinese history and cultural

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 08:29 PM 1/23/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: ... I think it has been asked of you many times in this thread, but considering you are seemingly contradicting your statements I'll ask you once more. ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IN CHRISTIAN PRECEPTS OR BECAUSE YOU ACT ACCORDING TO

RE: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread David Crooks
On Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:03 PM Charlie Coleman wrote: First, wouldn't you agree that in general everyone that has beliefs view others with opposing beliefs as wrong? The Hindus, Muslims, ancient Greeks, etc would all view my beliefs as wrong just as I view their beliefs as wrong. That is

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 08:56 PM 1/23/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: Of course that's not correct. You have to be sincere in your confession and avoid doing the same wrong things. Just ignorant bullshit. There have been Popes that granted certified pardons for all sins in exchange for money or some

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 08:39 PM 1/23/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: ... First, we are still human. What happens in our physical life hits us just like it does anyone else. Next, Christian belief is that life is sacred. When tragedies strike, our spirit mourns for the loss. But if there's no loss, nor

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 08:42 PM 1/23/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: ... Nope. By my definition you are not a Christian because you refuse to accept God's Grace into your heart. Hey! Didn't you say we have no control whatsoever over 'god's grace'? So if there's nothing you can do to get it, then there's

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 08:51 PM 1/23/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: Some things in Biblical teaching don't sound 'fair' to me. But I will submit my sense of fairness to God's, Nnnnope! You will submit your sense of fairness to the biblical teachings. Not necessarily the same thing. Wait. I believe Biblical

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 03:13 PM 1/24/2007 -0500, Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 24, 2007, at 12:36 PM, Charlie Coleman wrote: I'm simply doing what I'm called to do by my faith. I bet you love it when others do what they are called to do by their faith, too! Jihad, anyone? ;-) Well, you should be

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 03:16 PM 1/24/2007 -0500, Ed Leafe wrote: At that time I think I said doing good deeds is meaningless in terms of salvation, but that doing good deeds is still a commendable thing. Whether or not there is a God we should all try to do good deeds when we can. Well, uh...

RE: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Alan Lukachko
Coleman Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:22 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle At 08:56 PM 1/23/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: Of course that's not correct. You have to be sincere in your confession and avoid doing the same wrong things. Just

RE: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 03:18 PM 1/25/2007 -0500, David Crooks wrote: First, wouldn't you agree that in general everyone that has beliefs view others with opposing beliefs as wrong? The Hindus, Muslims, ancient Greeks, etc would all view my beliefs as wrong just as I view their beliefs as wrong. That is

RE: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread David Crooks
On Thursday, January 25, 2007 4:33 PM Charlie Coleman wrote: snipped In a general sense, a lot of religions describe similar 'good deeds' that should be done by the believers. That's about it where the similarity ends. Some of them call for forced conversion of non-believers, others say simply to

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Charlie Coleman wrote: At 08:29 PM 1/23/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: ... I think it has been asked of you many times in this thread, but considering you are seemingly contradicting your statements I'll ask you once more. ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IN CHRISTIAN PRECEPTS OR

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Charlie Coleman wrote: At 08:56 PM 1/23/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: Of course that's not correct. You have to be sincere in your confession and avoid doing the same wrong things. Just ignorant bullshit. There have been Popes that granted certified pardons for all sins in exchange for

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Charlie Coleman wrote: At 08:39 PM 1/23/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: ... First, we are still human. What happens in our physical life hits us just like it does anyone else. Next, Christian belief is that life is sacred. When tragedies strike, our spirit mourns for the loss. But if

RE: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Michael Madigan
This Good deeds vs saved by grace argument is mostly moot because I can't think of anyone who was saved by grace and wasn't doing good deeds. Additionally, a Catholic doing good deeds is probably already saved by grace. The only time this comes into play is when an Atheist or pagan does good

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Charlie Coleman wrote: At 08:42 PM 1/23/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: ... Nope. By my definition you are not a Christian because you refuse to accept God's Grace into your heart. Hey! Didn't you say we have no control whatsoever over 'god's grace'? So if there's nothing you can do to

RE: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Michael Madigan
Jesus didn't choose his religion. He was born a Jew because God chose to have him be a Jew. --- David Crooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, January 25, 2007 4:33 PM Charlie Coleman wrote: snipped In a general sense, a lot of religions describe similar 'good deeds' that should be

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Charlie Coleman wrote: At 08:51 PM 1/23/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: Some things in Biblical teaching don't sound 'fair' to me. But I will submit my sense of fairness to God's, Nnnnope! You will submit your sense of fairness to the biblical teachings. Not necessarily the same thing.

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Charlie Coleman wrote: At 03:13 PM 1/24/2007 -0500, Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 24, 2007, at 12:36 PM, Charlie Coleman wrote: I'm simply doing what I'm called to do by my faith. I bet you love it when others do what they are called to do by their faith, too! Jihad, anyone?

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Michael Madigan
Satan was created by God and given free will. --- Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charlie Coleman wrote: At 08:51 PM 1/23/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: Some things in Biblical teaching don't sound 'fair' to me. But I will submit my sense of fairness to God's, Nnnnope!

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: This Good deeds vs saved by grace argument is mostly moot because I can't think of anyone who was saved by grace and wasn't doing good deeds. So if your 'big' brain can't think of it then it is out of god's power. Additionally, a Catholic doing good deeds is

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: Jesus didn't choose his religion. He was born a Jew because God chose to have him be a Jew. And seemingly god chose you to be an (I should end it here) ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Michael Madigan
Hmmm gloating over a man who killed millions upon millions of people doesn't strike me as being wrong. And I don't think the tears that you shed for him strikes me as being right. Laughing at your shortcomings is downright funny. you going down for sure. I not be going down, my brotha

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Michael Madigan
And God gave you free will to try to lure other people to Hell. Atheists and Satanists work for the same boss. --- Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Madigan wrote: Jesus didn't choose his religion. He was born a Jew because God chose to have him be a Jew. And

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: Satan was created by God and given free will. Actually the angel's name was Lucifer. I think Satan comes from the arab word Shaitan which means demon. --- Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charlie Coleman wrote: At 08:51 PM 1/23/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: Hmmm gloating over a man who killed millions upon millions of people doesn't strike me as being wrong. Wrong? I was talking about christian or un-christian. And it is a very un-christian attitude. And I don't think the tears that you shed for him strikes me as being

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: And God gave you free will to try to lure other people to Hell. Atheists and Satanists work for the same boss. I should point I am a monarchical anarchist, it's very difficult for me to take a master. --- Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Madigan

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Helio W.
I believe God is real, and the Christian religion is right, based on faith, what I've researched, and what He's done in my life. Billions of Muslims and Hindus (among others) can say exactly the same thing. Your God is no more real than theirs because of your arguments. Yes, I'm a infidel. I

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-25 Thread Helio W.
LOL http://russellsteapot.com/images/rsgallery/original/Image54.jpg --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-24 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Stephen the Cook wrote: Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 23, 2007, at 10:05 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: Nope. By my definition you are not a Christian because you refuse to accept God's Grace into your heart. You flat out reject there is a God at all (IIRC). Of course, these are my assumptions based

RE: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-24 Thread Stephen the Cook
Ricardo Aráoz wrote: There are two meanings of 'love all'. One would be 'Love none', the other would be love every single person. If that's the case, if follows you love me. Speaking of which... I'm short of money right now I haven't won the powerball either :( Stephen Russell

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-24 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 08:07 PM 1/23/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: ... No no no. I was not trying to say or imply that all Christians are good. In fact, I think I made that very clear later on. It seemed to me someone (Richardo?) Nope. 'Richardo' is innocent of what you claim. Blaming the wrong

RE: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-24 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 09:12 PM 1/23/2007 -0600, Stephen the Cook wrote: ... Did anyone feel the earth quake? Charlie and I agree. LOL! And for those of you who have said they've never witnessed miracle, well, you just have. :-) It's the personal relationship with god that creates the Christian, and not the

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-24 Thread Helio W.
You sure do have bad memory, Charlie. On 1/24/07, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:07 PM 1/23/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: ... No no no. I was not trying to say or imply that all Christians are good. In fact, I think I made that very clear later on. It seemed to

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-24 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 24, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: That's fine, but it sure isn't what Charlie is stating. According to him, you can love all, but if you accept his personal view of things, you will burn in Hell. Exactly the opposite of what you state. Whoa! Have I been that

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-24 Thread Helio W.
You can't be wrong Charlie. You must believe, otherwise you're unfaithful and will burn in hell. BTW, do you think that billions of hindus, buddhists, etc are all deluded persons? On 1/24/07, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:38 PM 1/23/2007 -0500, Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 23,

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-24 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 10:55 AM 1/24/2007 -0500, Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 24, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: That's fine, but it sure isn't what Charlie is stating. According to him, you can love all, but if you accept his personal view of things, you will burn in Hell. Exactly the opposite

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-24 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 01:42 PM 1/24/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: You sure do have bad memory, Charlie. ... Heh. Yep. Thanks for reminding me. I forgot about that. :-) -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance:

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-24 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 02:03 PM 1/24/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote: You can't be wrong Charlie. You must believe, otherwise you're unfaithful and will burn in hell. BTW, do you think that billions of hindus, buddhists, etc are all deluded persons? I don't mean to sound cruel, but yes, I do believe the beliefs of the

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-24 Thread Helio W.
Charlie, Do you think the ancient Greeks, with their spectacular achievements, were all fooling themselves by believing in Zeus, Poseidon, Apollo, etc? What about ancient Egyptians? What about thousands of years of chinese history and cultural tradition, human beings doing good and bad things

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-24 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 24, 2007, at 12:36 PM, Charlie Coleman wrote: I'm simply doing what I'm called to do by my faith. I bet you love it when others do what they are called to do by their faith, too! Jihad, anyone? ;-) -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-24 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 24, 2007, at 12:29 PM, Charlie Coleman wrote: At that time I think I said doing good deeds is meaningless in terms of salvation, but that doing good deeds is still a commendable thing. Whether or not there is a God we should all try to do good deeds when we can. Well,

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2007-01-24 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: They'll all have their chance to accept Christ right before the end. Wow! That's wonderful! Please let me know where you've been sent before I make my decision. --- Helio W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can't be wrong Charlie. You must believe, otherwise you're

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2007-01-24 Thread Helio W.
I still doesn't understand why a so loving god would prefer to burn us alive rather than simply ignore us. On 1/24/07, Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Madigan wrote: They'll all have their chance to accept Christ right before the end. Wow! That's wonderful! Please let me

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2007-01-24 Thread Helio W.
Fixed: I still don't understand why a so loving god would prefer to burn us alive rather than simply ignore us. On 1/24/07, Helio W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still doesn't understand why a so loving god would prefer to burn us alive rather than simply ignore us. On 1/24/07, Ricardo

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-24 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 24, 2007, at 6:43 PM, Helio W. wrote: I still doesn't understand why a so loving god would prefer to burn us alive rather than simply ignore us. Or deliberately make us ignorant of the one thing we need to save ourselves, and then punish us for his own design choices. --

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2007-01-24 Thread Michael Madigan
I'm sure you're too arrogant to take the offer. --- Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Madigan wrote: They'll all have their chance to accept Christ right before the end. Wow! That's wonderful! Please let me know where you've been sent before I make my decision.

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2007-01-24 Thread Michael Madigan
I still doesn't understand why you doesn't understand. --- Helio W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still doesn't understand why a so loving god would prefer to burn us alive rather than simply ignore us. On 1/24/07, Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Madigan wrote:

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2007-01-24 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: I'm sure you're too arrogant to take the offer. Unless you're going to hell... --- Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Madigan wrote: They'll all have their chance to accept Christ right before the end. Wow! That's wonderful! Please let me know

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2007-01-24 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: I still doesn't understand why you doesn't understand. Wow! You caught Helio, who is Brazilian, making a mistake while writing in english. Wonder how are your portuguese lessons going. BTW, will you be as unforgiving when an english speaking person makes some other

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2007-01-24 Thread Michael Madigan
I try to stay out of the Portugese mail groups. --- Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Madigan wrote: I still doesn't understand why you doesn't understand. Wow! You caught Helio, who is Brazilian, making a mistake while writing in english. Wonder how are your portuguese

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2007-01-24 Thread Helio W.
Funny thing is that Madandgay all the time writes things like precidensy and isn't even aware of it... LOL Well, not a surprise coming from a guy who clearly is uneducated but who tries to teach science lessons to Krystine and Ed (both REALLY trained in science)... Probably Madandgay has a

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2007-01-24 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: I try to stay out of the Portugese mail groups. Are you afraid of answering a simple question? Will you be as unforgiving when an english speaking person makes some other mistake, or will they be forgiven? --- Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Madigan

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2007-01-24 Thread Helio W.
What language is Portugese? LOL On 1/24/07, Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Madigan wrote: I try to stay out of the Portugese mail groups. Are you afraid of answering a simple question? Will you be as unforgiving when an english speaking person makes some other mistake, or

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2007-01-24 Thread Michael Madigan
I think it's some third-world language. --- Helio W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What language is Portugese? LOL On 1/24/07, Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Madigan wrote: I try to stay out of the Portugese mail groups. Are you afraid of answering a simple

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-23 Thread Paul Hill
On 1/23/07, Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hellatio, Yes Atheists have a long history of evil. Stallin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, in fact the most evil in history. Torquemata is the only really evil Christian that comes to mind. LOL! Looking back through history most evil acts have

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2007-01-23 Thread Michael Madigan
Not by Christians, however. --- Paul Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/23/07, Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hellatio, Yes Atheists have a long history of evil. Stallin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, in fact the most evil in history. Torquemata is the only really evil

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2007-01-23 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 22, 2007, at 6:20 PM, Charlie Coleman wrote: Ok. Just a second. Let me ask this simple question: Do you think Stalin was an atheist? Yes. Oh. Ok. Now that makes more sense. From your earlier email I didn't gather that you actually agreed he was an atheist.

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2007-01-23 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 22, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: But of course. What's more. I never understood why do christians get so angry when someone kills their children. After all they are innocent, they'll go straight to heaven. And this wonderful killer who sacrifices his

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2007-01-23 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: Hellatio, Yes Atheists have a long history of evil. Stallin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, in fact the most evil in history. Torquemata is the only really evil Christian that comes to mind. Hey matey! It's Torquemada, and he was a defender of the faith. The only evil

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2007-01-23 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: I proudly believe in the Resurrection. It's not too late for you. Oh well! If you 'proudly' believe then it's ok. For a moment I thought you just believed. But 'proudly' believe... that's the real thing. --- Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Madigan

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