Johm Weller said Just going through my emails on my return from visiting
my mother ...
just got *back* to Manchester after ditto - 45mpg in my Audi A6
oilburner** - 120 miles of motorway driving and I was clearly reminded of
why I chose an older bigger car instead of a newer smaller one!
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Johm Weller said Just going through my emails on my return from visiting
my mother ...
just got *back* to Manchester after ditto - 45mpg
Which is 75% tax as I said. However we've gone OT so 'nuff said.
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About 75% I think.
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That's criminal to pay
Michael Madigan wrote:
That's criminal to pay that much. How much of that is taxes?
It could be healthcare, schools, roads, and housing.
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That's criminal to pay that much. How much of that is taxes
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That's criminal to pay that much. How much of
that is
taxes?
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Just going through my emails on my return from
visiting my mother in
Manchester. A journey that returned 44 mpg
Fact Checking, as usual it's not as simple as a sound bite:
15% VAT tax (think sales tax)
60% Duty
20% Refiner
5% Retailer
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/world/2000/world_fuel_crisis/933648.stm
Fuel duty is higher in the UK than most other EU countries but the full
basket of motoring
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That's criminal to pay that much. How much of
that is
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About 75% I think.
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Just going through my emails on my return from visiting my mother in
Manchester. A journey that returned 44 mpg in my Toyota Avensis - which is
just as well as we are paying nearly $2 per litre for petrol, nearly $9 per
UK gallon.
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That's criminal to pay that much. How much of that is
taxes?
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Manchester. A journey that returned 44 mpg in my
Toyota Avensis - which is
just as well as we are paying nearly $2
On Thursday 29 March 2007 1:33 pm, Chet Gardiner wrote:
Not when you don't have to factor in the cost of a bloated military to
insure that we continue get OUR cheap oil... ;-)
Also neither the environmental cost nor the health costs of burning
petroleum in cars and trucks are paid for in the
Depends on altitude/relative density of the atmosphere.
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Depends on altitude/relative density of the atmosphere.
Hence 'or there abouts'...
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Depends on altitude/relative density of the atmosphere.
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On Mar 30, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Dave Crozier wrote:
That's why it is impossible to have a boiled egg when you are climbing
Everest. One good reason why I don't want to go. BG
Boil 'em before starting the climb. Makes the eggs a bit more
durable, too.
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What happens to a boiled egg when you climb Everest? :-)
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Michael,
That's why it is impossible to have a boiled egg when you are climbing
Everest. One good reason why I don't want to go. BG
Can't you simply boil the egg BEFORE you go, and keep it warm in a
vacuum container? :-)
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Bit chewy?
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The egg can never cook because the water boils at about 91 degrees. Hence
SNOTTY eggs!
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That's why it is impossible to have a boiled egg when you are climbing
Everest.
The egg can never cook because the water boils at about 91 degrees. Hence
SNOTTY eggs!
The post says have, not cook...
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The egg can never cook because the water boils at about 91 degrees. Hence
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How can I tell it's Friday afternoon ;-)
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The egg can never cook because the water boils at about 91 degrees. Hence
SNOTTY eggs!
How can I tell it's Friday afternoon ;-)
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1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90%
efficient. The gasoline engine is 30%
and the engine that generates the electricty? 40% - 60% at best (in a
combined power/heat setup, but they're rare). Then the *best* chargers are
around 85% efficient; say 45% overall *at best*.
2. The Tesla
Detroit is also developing the same technology.
of course thay are - they would hardly ignore all that 'non-polluting
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Chet said:
I predict $4 per gallon gas by the end of '07.
I make that around £0.54 / litre - we're paying around twice that in the UK
- most of europe is comparable.
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Yeah, but driving cross-country is about 100 miles. Here it's thousands!
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On 3/29/07, john harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, but driving cross-country is about 100 miles. Here it's thousands!
May i suggest that when you're travelling thousands of miles a car
might not be the appropriate mode of transport ?
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Recycle aspects of batteries is a big business. I tried to do a custom app
for one who works with forklifts. They only wanted to pay 1000. in total.
Said replacing their novel 3.12 box was getting expensive as well as this
new program.
LOL! Yeah, we just had a company who makes over a
Derek Kalweit wrote:
$1M gross income isn't always that much money... Depends on # of
employees, cost of other expenses, etc.
True...true
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Not when you don't have to factor in the cost of a bloated military to
insure that we continue get OUR cheap oil... ;-)
Also neither the environmental cost nor the health costs of burning
petroleum in cars and trucks are paid for in the cost of OUR gasoline...
Europe was stupid enough to
On 3/29/07, Chet Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Europe was stupid enough to invest in a great inter-city rail system
including in many cases high-speed rail. The great cities of Europe are
also laid out in such a way that most of the time one doesn't need a car
around town either...silly
, with all of its
strange spellings
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Chet, why are you moving to Tuscon instead of Europe? Seems you like
everything there better...
There are terrorists over there, cuz they do not have a wonderful leader
like our very own, home grown g, GW Bush to save them. Hence, it is
unsafe to be in Europe, anywhere else in fact other
Where do you read that???
Silly Derek...
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On 3/29/07, Chet Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Europe was stupid enough to invest in a great inter-city rail system
including in many cases high-speed rail. The great cities of Europe are
also laid out in such a way that
Tucson Average Temperatures
Jan: 51.3
Feb: 54.4
Mar: 58.7
Apr: 65.8
May: 74
Jun: 83.8
Jul: 86.6
Aug: 84.5
Sep: 80.4
Oct: 70.4
Nov: 70.4
Dec: 52
Chet Comfort Zone: 85% to 100% F Ambient
I'm worried about the cold winters though.
Europe's too cold...
As for the spelling: think Tuck Son
Derek
Tucson Average Temperatures
Jun: 83.8
Jul: 86.6
Aug: 84.5
Yep, which means 90's and 100's during the day, eh?
Avg highs:
June: 100º
july: 99º
August: 97º
Overall high: 117º
Chet Comfort Zone: 85% to 100% F Ambient
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Chet said:
I predict $4 per gallon gas by the end of '07.
I make that around £0.54 / litre - we're paying around twice that in the UK
- most of europe is comparable.
Lucky me, we are paying around U$ 0.50/Litre. And still we complain!
Derek Kalweit wrote:
Tucson Average Temperatures
Jun: 83.8
Jul: 86.6
Aug: 84.5
Yep, which means 90's and 100's during the day, eh?
Avg highs:
June: 100º
july: 99º
August: 97º
Overall high: 117º
Wow! You really have high temperatures over there. Around here water
boils at
Chet Gardiner wrote:
Tucson Average Temperatures
Jan: 51.3
Feb: 54.4
Mar: 58.7
Apr: 65.8
May: 74
Jun: 83.8
Jul: 86.6
Aug: 84.5
Sep: 80.4
Oct: 70.4
Nov: 70.4
Dec: 52
Chet Comfort Zone: 85% to 100% F Ambient
I'm worried about the cold winters though.
Europe's too cold...
You got that right. Tucson downtown is at about 2600' -- then there's
where the rich folks live up the mountain -- much higher...
They had one storm last winter with about 2 of snow that stuck on the
ground (and took out a LOT of foliage).
But I can always head south into Mexico for the
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1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90%
efficient. The gasoline engine is 30%
2. The Tesla uses no gasoline, just electric and
batteries. When you charge batteries, they don't get
heavier. When you fill up a car, it gets heavier.
3. Battery technology has gotten much better lately.
Michael Madigan wrote:
1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90%
efficient. The gasoline engine is 30%
2. The Tesla uses no gasoline, just electric and
batteries. When you charge batteries, they don't get
heavier. When you fill up a car, it gets heavier.
3. Battery technology
Would it be safe to say that Big Oil and Detroit are going to do
whatever they can to suppress Tesla and others like them?
Detroit? What year do you think this is? ;-)
I'd say the Tesla's price will be restrictive enough to keep
wide-spread adoption. Maybe once they figure out a way to make it
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No, because Detroit is also developing the same
technology.
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1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90%
efficient. The gasoline engine is 30%
2. The Tesla uses no gasoline, just electric and
batteries.
They're going to be making a sedan that will be under
50k
I think they want to make a splash with a
high-performance car and sell those cars to
celebrities with high profiles.
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Would it be safe to say that Big Oil and Detroit
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At least Elvis is still here.
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You heard it here first.
I predict $4 per gallon gas by the end of '07.
I predict $6+ per gallon by the time of the next inauguration in '09
(with a slight dip in the weeks before the '08 election so the oil
companies can try to elect a republican again).
Gasoline will be well over $15 per
Yes, and you're predictions are so uncannily accurate
let's see:
Karl Rove would be indicted
Gen Haden would be indicted
George Bush would be indicted
Dick cheney would be indicted
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Looks like you went 0 for 4.
I better start stocking up on my
Michael Madigan wrote:
1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90% efficient. The
gasoline engine is 30%
2. The Tesla uses no gasoline, just electric and batteries. When
you charge batteries, they don't get heavier. When you fill up a
car, it gets heavier.
3. Battery
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Michael Madigan wrote:
1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90% efficient. The
gasoline engine is 30%
2. The Tesla uses no gasoline, just electric and batteries. When
you charge batteries, they don't get heavier. When you fill up a
car, it gets
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You heard it here first.
I predict $4 per gallon gas by the end of '07.
I predict $6+ per gallon by the time of the next inauguration in '09
(with a slight dip in the weeks before the '08 election so the oil
companies can try to elect a republican again).
Gasoline
Stephen the Cook wrote:
Recycle aspects of batteries is a big business. I tried to do a custom app
for one who works with forklifts. They only wanted to pay 1000. in total.
Said replacing their novel 3.12 box was getting expensive as well as this
new program.
LOL! Yeah, we just had a
Eugene Vital wrote:
Stephen the Cook wrote:
Michael Madigan wrote:
1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90% efficient. The
gasoline engine is 30%
2. The Tesla uses no gasoline, just electric and batteries. When
you charge batteries, they don't get heavier. When you fill up
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There goes the neighbourhood. :)
Isn't this the same Darcy from the prior list? Or am I confused :)
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