Re: How many of you use foreign key constraints and References in your database schema?

[mbsoftwaresolutions]

On 2017-10-31 17:02, Charlie-gm wrote:
On 10/31/2017 4:26 PM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com 
wrote:
At the day gig, they use FK constraints and References in their Oracle 
database schema.  Honestly, I got into that years ago with VFP but 
then kinda fell off that wagon over the years, preferring to just 
handle some things in the BizObj of the solution rather

For large applications (500+ tables) I usually require it. Smaller
apps... eh... I think there would still be benefits but I'm usually
building them so fast that end users won't take the time to provide a
complete enough picture to drive all RI rules. Sure, I could still do
them on my "internal design only" tables, but like you said, there is
some overhead associated. So in the smaller cases it's pretty
situational as to whether or not I use it.

My attitude is, generally, the more you can put "into" the database,
that "belongs" in the database, the better flexibility,
maintainability, and stability you'll get.



I am using triggers in one of my apps (FabNet) to make sure keys have 
cascading updates/deletes elsewhere as needed.


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Re: How many of you use foreign key constraints and References in your database schema?

[Stephen Russell]

Constraints stop some devs cold when they are trying to "clean up" their
data.

It is in the correct space in the database because it protects the data
there.  Compliance auditors like it as well.



On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 3:26 PM, <
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:

> At the day gig, they use FK constraints and References in their Oracle
> database schema.  Honestly, I got into that years ago with VFP but then
> kinda fell off that wagon over the years, preferring to just handle some
> things in the BizObj of the solution rather than put more rules in the
> backend database.  The idea was that if I changed backend databases, I
> wouldn't need to rewrite a whole bunch of specific DBMS code.
>
> Where's your preference in design with these in mind?
>
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Re: How many of you use foreign key constraints and References in your database schema?

[Charlie-gm]

On 10/31/2017 4:26 PM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
At the day gig, they use FK constraints and References in their Oracle 
database schema.  Honestly, I got into that years ago with VFP but 
then kinda fell off that wagon over the years, preferring to just 
handle some things in the BizObj of the solution rather
For large applications (500+ tables) I usually require it. Smaller 
apps... eh... I think there would still be benefits but I'm usually 
building them so fast that end users won't take the time to provide a 
complete enough picture to drive all RI rules. Sure, I could still do 
them on my "internal design only" tables, but like you said, there is 
some overhead associated. So in the smaller cases it's pretty 
situational as to whether or not I use it.


My attitude is, generally, the more you can put "into" the database, 
that "belongs" in the database, the better flexibility, maintainability, 
and stability you'll get.


-Charlie

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How many of you use foreign key constraints and References in your database schema?

[mbsoftwaresolutions]

At the day gig, they use FK constraints and References in their Oracle 
database schema.  Honestly, I got into that years ago with VFP but then 
kinda fell off that wagon over the years, preferring to just handle some 
things in the BizObj of the solution rather than put more rules in the 
backend database.  The idea was that if I changed backend databases, I 
wouldn't need to rewrite a whole bunch of specific DBMS code.


Where's your preference in design with these in mind?

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RE: [NF] Open systems Drive you crazy

[Kurt Wendt]

Steve - pretty Cool Arse video! I especially got a kick out of one shot about 
1:40 in which shows Zortrax 3D Printers being used for his devices. I will 
continue to watch the rest of the video piecemeal - as its definitely 
interesting!

-K-

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Subject: [NF] Open systems Drive you crazy

Great watch here.

Super Hacker George Hotz: I Can Make Your Car Drive Itself for Under $1,000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqdYbwY9vPU
I like how he looks at a problem.
--
Stephen Russell

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[NF] Open systems Drive you crazy

[Stephen Russell]

Great watch here.

Super Hacker George Hotz: I Can Make Your Car Drive Itself for Under $1,000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqdYbwY9vPU

I like how he looks at a problem.

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Sr. Analyst
Ring Container Technology
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Re: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

[AndyHC]

+1

On 31-Oct-2017 6:08 PM, Dave Crozier wrote:

Thanks w00dy,
As usual an excellent answer to many questions that lots of VFPers will have

Dave



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Basically, the moniker "VFPA" is three things:

a) the regular 32Bit VFP9 enginge, patched with 30+ bugfixes
b) same as a), but with a 64bit engine
c) a true 64bit compiler, which doesn't need the runtime etc

BTW, the "A" in VFPA is the next HEX sign after 9, or a 10 in Dec. But it also fits with 
the "Advanced" tag :)

VFPA is already around since several years, and Mr.Chen seems to be very 
knowledgable with Assembler and debugging C++ machinecode :)

Personally I use the regular 32bit version without any problems at my customers site. It 
behaves just as a usual VFP9 without some quirks. I was bitten by those report-engine 
bugs as well as the Grid-Optimize problem, and with VFPA this stuff just works.  You just 
do a "recompile all" on your project, put your EXE and that single VFPAR.DLL to 
your customer and that's all.  One caveat: VFPA hast he language-Resource-DLL included, 
thus you need different VFPAR.dll for different langauges. (Personally I don't like that 
approach, since you can't run in a multi-language scenario anymore, where VFP picks the 
language DLL according to the user settings)

Also I'm not really convinced about the need for the 64bit version. At least 
not for existing desktop applications. As soon as you have some FLLs or OCXs 
included, you're basically toasted, since you need those as a 64bit version.
Since most of the VFP specific addons are already 15 years old,  the chances to 
get those vendors to compile their old stuff into a 64bit version are somewhat 
desillusional.

Then: what do you gain from a 64bit version? You don't get over the 2Gb limit 
for DBFs, it's just that it can address more RAM. Ok, when did you ran out of 
RAM with a VFP version, where the engine was built to work even on
PCs with as little as 64MB RAM?You also have a marketing plus, because
you're now a native 64bit app. And it may run a little bit faster because of 
the unneeded 32Bit layer in Windows.  As long as you don't need any of your old 
addons

But it does have a valid usecase for Middle-tier applications, like 
ActiveFoxProPages or AFPX or FIC, where the VFP engine connects directly to 
64bit WebServers.
BTW: @ChristofWollenhaupt: did you already compiled the AFP engine with VFPA?

The third option, a true compiler, is stil work in progress. It does work, but 
stil has the same restrictions as option b). Mr.Chen is working to enhance the 
limitations at various parts like max. Stringlength, max DBF size etc, but 
there are a lot of complications.

woOdy




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Re: [NF] INT vs MEDIUMINT vs SMALLINT vs TINYINT

[Stephen Russell]

Here is a good video for B+ tree, and how they operate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY9xu3vuZ10

About 5 min in it gets to the demonstration of the science. The creation of
leaves and how things can bounce around you insert.  Just think of Guid,
where you are inserting into branches that have 50 or 5,000 are all
different,   C7948B8E-9B98-48C0-B2EA-11DB5474A99D,
0639AB12-9B34-4A86-9C76-13A38B587C20, 0D14D7A2-DFBA-41C4-9102-14AAB2F77F6D
and
A59F2BA2-4CBF-4E70-B5E3-20F4E7C577DA.  Adding data to the end of the index
has a little performance, but adding all over the place you can get into
leaf/page tears and resetting of headers on leaves.  This is the
performance I was referring to.

In SQL you can define your fillfactor that is "free-space" in your index as
it rebuilds.  Some tables will do well for a lower fillfactor, or more free
space for future inserts when you have any sort of character data.  A
higher value for auto inc column of INT.

When you get an analysis of queries and it says Index Seek, Index Scan the
Seek used the these b+tree headers to find the location, and the index scan
scans the entire index to find the data you desire.  Redundant values in a
status column are a seek and not a scan because the variety of OPEN/Closed
is very limited.

You can seriously spend way too much time attempting to tune these suckers
and as they grow over time you have to come back and tune again.  :)
Tuning with 5,000 rows and in two years you have 1,500,000 rows you may
need to come back and verify a process is still in good shape.



On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 6:33 AM, Frank Cazabon 
wrote:

> Morning Stephen,
>
> What do you mean by "pound script this"? Do you mean to run it over and
> over?
>
> I did that I get the SeqCol coming out in order increasing as per your
> example with the first couple characters in the SeqCol changing and the
> rest the same.
>
> I still don't understand your last 2 paragraphs. As I understood this when
> I researched it each new insert means it goes to the end so is always being
> added at the end so no paging complexity is involved. Could you clarify
> this for me, please?
>
> Frank.
>
> Frank Cazabon
>
>
> On 30/10/2017 03:26 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
>
>> Frank, that puts the logic at the rdbms engine and no longer in your app,
>> in-front of your data.
>>
>> In reality, you get data all over the place but this bunch will be close.
>> Pound script this a few times and you will see the leading values are what
>> changes an not the last 4-5-6 characters.
>>
>> CREATE TABLE GUID_Example
>> (
>> SeqCol uniqueidentifier DEFAULT NewSequentialID()
>> ,IDCol uniqueidentifier DEFAULT NEWID(),)
>> Inserting five default values in table
>> INSERT INTO GUID_Example DEFAULT
>> VALUES
>> INSERT INTO GUID_Example DEFAULT
>> VALUES
>> INSERT INTO GUID_Example DEFAULT
>> VALUES
>> INSERT INTO GUID_Example DEFAULT
>> VALUES
>> -
>> SELECT *
>> FROM GUID_Example
>>
>> Clean up database
>>
>> DROP TABLE GUID_Example
>>
>> I got this as output :
>> SeqCol
>>   IDCol
>> 1E54CB01-A7BD-E711-9C54-D481D71992B4 120C2AD7-ECF1-487F-BE56-0FD36A78237F
>> 1F54CB01-A7BD-E711-9C54-D481D71992B4 E6F5D7B5-61F8-4FD3-988B-F0949A029E29
>> 2054CB01-A7BD-E711-9C54-D481D71992B4 B5C05851-FBA5-4DD7-864A-133EE1BC6C68
>> 2154CB01-A7BD-E711-9C54-D481D71992B4 638865DA-F2E4-4101-9534-E3DB83A0008E
>>
>> When the performance goes to insert all over the index pages where there
>> is
>> a lot of available room you may not have a performance hit at all.  On the
>> flip side using the newsequentialID it may make a compound insert into a
>> page that was starting to get tight and now is tight.
>>
>> Please remember folks that Fkey index is also a component in the insert
>> event as well.  The more indexes you maintain that you
>> really don't need, do get in your way on any platform.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Frank Cazabon 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I believe NewSequentialID() in SQL Server (or the UuidCreateSequential API
>>> call) avoids the paging problem behind Guids.
>>>
>>> Frank.
>>>
>>> Frank Cazabon
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30/10/2017 02:17 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
>>>
>>> Good URLs you presented.

 To me from a performance POV the INSERT of the GUID is the only downside
 with respect to the index.  It has to identify the page and add itself
 to
 there.  If need be it will tear the page and generate two pages with
 access
 holes to accept new index-data going forward.  Next. you look at the
 type
 of data you are presenting via a velocity of inserts.  Are your inserts
 per
 min to a table > 10,000?  If so the GUID may be the wrong thing.  Think
 of
 eBay in the closing seconds of an auction, or your stock trader in
 changes in the market generating A LOT of transactions.  These
 situations
 are where next int is best because it 

RE: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

[Dave Crozier]

Thanks w00dy,
As usual an excellent answer to many questions that lots of VFPers will have

Dave



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Basically, the moniker "VFPA" is three things:

a) the regular 32Bit VFP9 enginge, patched with 30+ bugfixes
b) same as a), but with a 64bit engine
c) a true 64bit compiler, which doesn't need the runtime etc

BTW, the "A" in VFPA is the next HEX sign after 9, or a 10 in Dec. But it also 
fits with the "Advanced" tag :)

VFPA is already around since several years, and Mr.Chen seems to be very 
knowledgable with Assembler and debugging C++ machinecode :)

Personally I use the regular 32bit version without any problems at my customers 
site. It behaves just as a usual VFP9 without some quirks. I was bitten by 
those report-engine bugs as well as the Grid-Optimize problem, and with VFPA 
this stuff just works.  You just do a "recompile all" on your project, put your 
EXE and that single VFPAR.DLL to your customer and that's all.  One caveat: 
VFPA hast he language-Resource-DLL included, thus you need different VFPAR.dll 
for different langauges. (Personally I don't like that approach, since you 
can't run in a multi-language scenario anymore, where VFP picks the language 
DLL according to the user settings)

Also I'm not really convinced about the need for the 64bit version. At least 
not for existing desktop applications. As soon as you have some FLLs or OCXs 
included, you're basically toasted, since you need those as a 64bit version.
Since most of the VFP specific addons are already 15 years old,  the chances to 
get those vendors to compile their old stuff into a 64bit version are somewhat 
desillusional.

Then: what do you gain from a 64bit version? You don't get over the 2Gb limit 
for DBFs, it's just that it can address more RAM. Ok, when did you ran out of 
RAM with a VFP version, where the engine was built to work even on
PCs with as little as 64MB RAM?You also have a marketing plus, because
you're now a native 64bit app. And it may run a little bit faster because of 
the unneeded 32Bit layer in Windows.  As long as you don't need any of your old 
addons

But it does have a valid usecase for Middle-tier applications, like 
ActiveFoxProPages or AFPX or FIC, where the VFP engine connects directly to 
64bit WebServers.
BTW: @ChristofWollenhaupt: did you already compiled the AFP engine with VFPA?

The third option, a true compiler, is stil work in progress. It does work, but 
stil has the same restrictions as option b). Mr.Chen is working to enhance the 
limitations at various parts like max. Stringlength, max DBF size etc, but 
there are a lot of 

AW: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

[Jürgen Wondzinski]

Basically, the moniker "VFPA" is three things:

a) the regular 32Bit VFP9 enginge, patched with 30+ bugfixes 
b) same as a), but with a 64bit engine
c) a true 64bit compiler, which doesn't need the runtime etc

BTW, the "A" in VFPA is the next HEX sign after 9, or a 10 in Dec. But it
also fits with the "Advanced" tag :)

VFPA is already around since several years, and Mr.Chen seems to be very
knowledgable with Assembler and debugging C++ machinecode :)

Personally I use the regular 32bit version without any problems at my
customers site. It behaves just as a usual VFP9 without some quirks. I was
bitten by those report-engine bugs as well as the Grid-Optimize problem, and
with VFPA this stuff just works.  You just do a "recompile all" on your
project, put your EXE and that single VFPAR.DLL to your customer and that's
all.  One caveat: VFPA hast he language-Resource-DLL included, thus you need
different VFPAR.dll for different langauges. (Personally I don't like that
approach, since you can't run in a multi-language scenario anymore, where
VFP picks the language DLL according to the user settings)

Also I'm not really convinced about the need for the 64bit version. At least
not for existing desktop applications. As soon as you have some FLLs or OCXs
included, you're basically toasted, since you need those as a 64bit version.
Since most of the VFP specific addons are already 15 years old,  the chances
to get those vendors to compile their old stuff into a 64bit version are
somewhat desillusional.  

Then: what do you gain from a 64bit version? You don't get over the 2Gb
limit for DBFs, it's just that it can address more RAM. Ok, when did you ran
out of RAM with a VFP version, where the engine was built to work even on
PCs with as little as 64MB RAM?You also have a marketing plus, because
you're now a native 64bit app. And it may run a little bit faster because of
the unneeded 32Bit layer in Windows.  As long as you don't need any of your
old addons 

But it does have a valid usecase for Middle-tier applications, like
ActiveFoxProPages or AFPX or FIC, where the VFP engine connects directly to
64bit WebServers.
BTW: @ChristofWollenhaupt: did you already compiled the AFP engine with
VFPA? 

The third option, a true compiler, is stil work in progress. It does work,
but stil has the same restrictions as option b). Mr.Chen is working to
enhance the limitations at various parts like max. Stringlength, max DBF
size etc, but there are a lot of complications.

woOdy
 


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RE: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

[Dave Crozier]

Just seen I was looking at the wrong prices and it does have a free version. 
I'll give it a look unless anyone has some review details of it.

Dave




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At nearly £1,200 pounds sterling it isn't exactly cheap for a product that 
isn't mainstream!

I didn't pay that for CA Visual Objects and that went the way of the software 
scrap bin.

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RE: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

[Dave Crozier]

At nearly £1,200 pounds sterling it isn't exactly cheap for a product that 
isn't mainstream!

I didn't pay that for CA Visual Objects and that went the way of the software 
scrap bin.

Dave




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> Another false dawn{  :-)  } and Craig seems to have unfortunately
> disappeared off the VFP scene over the last few years after producing
> some brilliant work.
>

You should look at XSharp as it's effectively what VFP Studio could have become.

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Re: [NF] INT vs MEDIUMINT vs SMALLINT vs TINYINT

[Frank Cazabon]

Morning Stephen,

What do you mean by "pound script this"? Do you mean to run it over and 
over?


I did that I get the SeqCol coming out in order increasing as per your 
example with the first couple characters in the SeqCol changing and the 
rest the same.


I still don't understand your last 2 paragraphs. As I understood this 
when I researched it each new insert means it goes to the end so is 
always being added at the end so no paging complexity is involved. Could 
you clarify this for me, please?


Frank.

Frank Cazabon

On 30/10/2017 03:26 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:

Frank, that puts the logic at the rdbms engine and no longer in your app,
in-front of your data.

In reality, you get data all over the place but this bunch will be close.
Pound script this a few times and you will see the leading values are what
changes an not the last 4-5-6 characters.

CREATE TABLE GUID_Example
(
SeqCol uniqueidentifier DEFAULT NewSequentialID()
,IDCol uniqueidentifier DEFAULT NEWID(),)
Inserting five default values in table
INSERT INTO GUID_Example DEFAULT
VALUES
INSERT INTO GUID_Example DEFAULT
VALUES
INSERT INTO GUID_Example DEFAULT
VALUES
INSERT INTO GUID_Example DEFAULT
VALUES
-
SELECT *
FROM GUID_Example

Clean up database

DROP TABLE GUID_Example

I got this as output :
SeqCol
  IDCol
1E54CB01-A7BD-E711-9C54-D481D71992B4 120C2AD7-ECF1-487F-BE56-0FD36A78237F
1F54CB01-A7BD-E711-9C54-D481D71992B4 E6F5D7B5-61F8-4FD3-988B-F0949A029E29
2054CB01-A7BD-E711-9C54-D481D71992B4 B5C05851-FBA5-4DD7-864A-133EE1BC6C68
2154CB01-A7BD-E711-9C54-D481D71992B4 638865DA-F2E4-4101-9534-E3DB83A0008E

When the performance goes to insert all over the index pages where there is
a lot of available room you may not have a performance hit at all.  On the
flip side using the newsequentialID it may make a compound insert into a
page that was starting to get tight and now is tight.

Please remember folks that Fkey index is also a component in the insert
event as well.  The more indexes you maintain that you
really don't need, do get in your way on any platform.







On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Frank Cazabon 
wrote:


I believe NewSequentialID() in SQL Server (or the UuidCreateSequential API
call) avoids the paging problem behind Guids.

Frank.

Frank Cazabon


On 30/10/2017 02:17 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:


Good URLs you presented.

To me from a performance POV the INSERT of the GUID is the only downside
with respect to the index.  It has to identify the page and add itself to
there.  If need be it will tear the page and generate two pages with
access
holes to accept new index-data going forward.  Next. you look at the type
of data you are presenting via a velocity of inserts.  Are your inserts
per
min to a table > 10,000?  If so the GUID may be the wrong thing.  Think of
eBay in the closing seconds of an auction, or your stock trader in
changes in the market generating A LOT of transactions.  These situations
are where next int is best because it always going to the last page of the
index.

If you are not in that type of data environment you can do either with no
problem.

M$ loves using GUID in their internal systems like CRM or SharePoint.  It
is Massive GUID driven in all of the tables.







On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:42 PM, <
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:

On 2017-10-30 11:09, Stephen Russell wrote:

Less efficient indexes?  Are you talking about space in a db compared to

an
int for a pointer or are you saying that the time to isolate the data on
that row because of the data type of the pointer?  The flip side is data
insertion.

Can you tell us why you use less efficient?


Not sure of your wording, if you meant exactly that or not, so let me

try
to respond:

I like the guid v(40) indexes because if ever I needed to combine data,
I'm not running into duplicate keys.  Plus, I like defining the key ahead
of time and having complete control so I can work with
parent/child/grandchild datasets easier (than if I had to contend with
auto-inc keys).  The negative of this approach as I understood it is that
the since the index is 4x larger in size than a 4-byte integer key, it
would not be as efficient in memory, and the index tree needs reindexing
more often so as to be balanced.

Plenty of good article on the interweb discussing both:
http://www.ovaistariq.net/733/understanding-btree-indexes-an
d-how-they-impact-performance/#.WfdQDHYpCJA
https://blog.codinghorror.com/primary-keys-ids-versus-guids/
http://web.archive.org/web/20150511162734/http://databases.
aspfaq.com/database/what-should-i-choose-for-my-primary-key.html

I think I'll stick with app-generated GUIDs though for the portability
and
no-collision benefit if I merged/move data.  I also want to do
replication
where their database is stored locally but then replicates to a master
database outside their office.


[excessive quoting removed by server]

Re: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

[Alan Bourke]

> Another false dawn{  :-)  } and Craig seems to have unfortunately
> disappeared off the VFP scene over the last few years after producing
> some brilliant work.
> 

You should look at XSharp as it's effectively what VFP Studio could have
become.

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Re: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

[AndyHC]

In my last job (as in last not previous ) I wrote an interface to a 
time recording system that sort of was and wasn't VFP - It was written 
in C, included the C libraries for all the VFP interface calls, and the 
rest was sort of VFP pseudo-code using function calls in place of VFP 
commands (a little bit reminiscent of Clipper).


On 31-Oct-2017 3:38 PM, Dave Crozier wrote:

Apologies, as pro_ext.h is obviously globally available if you wish to do any 
interfacing to VFP... I have used it before but years ago and in a very 
rudimentary way so access by Microsoft is obviously allowed.

Mr Chen must simply be a very, very intelligent and talented individual!!

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Re: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

[Paul Hemans]

Dave,
I saw a notification of a new message just as I had hit send. I have seen
some of the messages on foxite and the impression I get is that there are
some bug fixes in vfpA and better 64 support. However, it doesn't change
the core runtimes, but I could be wrong there.

Paul

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 9:13 PM, Dave Crozier  wrote:

> Paul,
> I was a little hasty in my response (see previous post which pre-empted
> yours) and stand corrected.
>
> As stated I did some work interfacing C++ into VFP 7 but is was a lifetime
> ago ... or seems like that!
>
> Even the thought of it brings shudders to my spine.
>
> Dave
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>
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> Sent: 31 October 2017 10:10
> To: ProFox Email List 
> Subject: Re: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt
>
> Dave
> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa975726(v=vs.71).aspx
>
> To use the header file and create a compiled library, you need:
>
>- The header file Pro_ext.h. You can print this file to see the function
>declarations, typedefs, and structs used in the Visual FoxPro API.
>- The file Winapims.lib.
>
> Both of these files are installed in the API subdirectory when you install
> Visual FoxPro.
>
> Nothing fishy there.
>
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 8:57 PM, Dave Crozier 
> wrote:
>
> > Posts from 'Mr Chen' in Foxite... he/she obviously know their stuff
> > and have been developing for a good while.
> >
> > https://www.foxite.com/members/default.aspx?id=4e637c9c-b764-4c9d-99d8
> > -
> > 0dfddba20427
> >
> >
> > if you look at his post on the Report Footer fix
> >
> > http://www.baiyujia.com/vfpdocuments/f_vfp9fix.asp
> >
> > he actually shows code to "pro_ext.h" with Copyright to Microsoft
> > Corporation. Surely this code wouldn't be legitimately available for
> > duplication or modification. Hence my suspect mind as to how the code
> > was obtained. Either that or I'm becoming a very cynical human being!!
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
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RE: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

[Dave Crozier]

Wow,
Just looked and Craig's VFP Studio in association with Bo Durban was almost 10 
years ago!!!

Dave




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Sent: 31 October 2017 10:32
To: ProFox Email List 
Subject: RE: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

Andy,
Yes it has started a bit of a buzz. However I remember the sadly departed Allen 
and myself having a similar discussion about a similar product from a company 
called Ecologica (I think) which seemed to fizzle out about the same time that 
Craig Boyd announced that his VFP Studio product would be about 4 months away!.

https://www.sweetpotatosoftware.com/blog/index.php/2008/02/20/vfp-studio-code-editor-screencast/

Another false dawn{  :-)  } and Craig seems to have unfortunately disappeared 
off the VFP scene over the last few years after producing some brilliant work.

Dave




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RE: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

[Dave Crozier]

Andy,
Yes it has started a bit of a buzz. However I remember the sadly departed Allen 
and myself having a similar discussion about a similar product from a company 
called Ecologica (I think) which seemed to fizzle out about the same time that 
Craig Boyd announced that his VFP Studio product would be about 4 months away!.

https://www.sweetpotatosoftware.com/blog/index.php/2008/02/20/vfp-studio-code-editor-screencast/

Another false dawn{  :-)  } and Craig seems to have unfortunately disappeared 
off the VFP scene over the last few years after producing some brilliant work.

Dave




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From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of AndyHC
Sent: 31 October 2017 10:25
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

Dave, don't forget there's a lot of stuff in xsource.

 and it's good to see I stirred up some interest in baiyujia.com

On 31-Oct-2017 3:27 PM, Dave Crozier wrote:
> Posts from 'Mr Chen' in Foxite... he/she obviously know their stuff and have 
> been developing for a good while.
>
> https://www.foxite.com/members/default.aspx?id=4e637c9c-b764-4c9d-99d8-0dfddba20427
>
>
> if you look at his post on the Report Footer fix
>
> http://www.baiyujia.com/vfpdocuments/f_vfp9fix.asp
>
> he actually shows code to "pro_ext.h" with Copyright to Microsoft 
> Corporation. Surely this code wouldn't be legitimately available for 
> duplication or modification. Hence my suspect mind as to how the code was 
> obtained. Either that or I'm becoming a very cynical human being!!
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> ---
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Dave Crozier
> Sent: 31 October 2017 09:29
> To: ProFox Email List 
> Subject: RE: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt
>
> Either these guys are very, very, very bright or there just COULD have been 
> some industrial espionage going on here I think.
>
> They do seem to have so much in depth information about the inner workings of 
> VFP and the layout/composition of the existing VFP Code Base.
>
> Just a thought but not complaining though if it works!
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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Re: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

[AndyHC]

Dave, don't forget there's a lot of stuff in xsource.

 and it's good to see I stirred up some interest in baiyujia.com

On 31-Oct-2017 3:27 PM, Dave Crozier wrote:

Posts from 'Mr Chen' in Foxite... he/she obviously know their stuff and have 
been developing for a good while.

https://www.foxite.com/members/default.aspx?id=4e637c9c-b764-4c9d-99d8-0dfddba20427


if you look at his post on the Report Footer fix

http://www.baiyujia.com/vfpdocuments/f_vfp9fix.asp

he actually shows code to "pro_ext.h" with Copyright to Microsoft Corporation. 
Surely this code wouldn't be legitimately available for duplication or modification. 
Hence my suspect mind as to how the code was obtained. Either that or I'm becoming a very 
cynical human being!!

Dave




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Either these guys are very, very, very bright or there just COULD have been 
some industrial espionage going on here I think.

They do seem to have so much in depth information about the inner workings of 
VFP and the layout/composition of the existing VFP Code Base.

Just a thought but not complaining though if it works!

Dave




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Subject: Re: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

I was surprised to read about this today - had not even heard of it till now.

Very interesting indeed!

-K-


On 10/30/2017 1:05 PM, Dave Crozier wrote:

About time we had a discussion section for this.
Must admit it had flown under my radar until the reference to it was posted 
here.
Any more information from anyone may be welcome to us all.
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RE: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

[Dave Crozier]

Apologies, as pro_ext.h is obviously globally available if you wish to do any 
interfacing to VFP... I have used it before but years ago and in a very 
rudimentary way so access by Microsoft is obviously allowed.

Mr Chen must simply be a very, very intelligent and talented individual!!

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From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Dave Crozier
Sent: 31 October 2017 09:57
To: ProFox Email List 
Subject: RE: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

Posts from 'Mr Chen' in Foxite... he/she obviously know their stuff and have 
been developing for a good while.

https://www.foxite.com/members/default.aspx?id=4e637c9c-b764-4c9d-99d8-0dfddba20427


if you look at his post on the Report Footer fix

http://www.baiyujia.com/vfpdocuments/f_vfp9fix.asp

he actually shows code to "pro_ext.h" with Copyright to Microsoft Corporation. 
Surely this code wouldn't be legitimately available for duplication or 
modification. Hence my suspect mind as to how the code was obtained. Either 
that or I'm becoming a very cynical human being!!

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RE: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

[Dave Crozier]

Paul,
I was a little hasty in my response (see previous post which pre-empted yours) 
and stand corrected.

As stated I did some work interfacing C++ into VFP 7 but is was a lifetime ago 
... or seems like that!

Even the thought of it brings shudders to my spine.

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From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hemans
Sent: 31 October 2017 10:10
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Subject: Re: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

Dave
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa975726(v=vs.71).aspx

To use the header file and create a compiled library, you need:

   - The header file Pro_ext.h. You can print this file to see the function
   declarations, typedefs, and structs used in the Visual FoxPro API.
   - The file Winapims.lib.

Both of these files are installed in the API subdirectory when you install 
Visual FoxPro.

Nothing fishy there.

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 8:57 PM, Dave Crozier  wrote:

> Posts from 'Mr Chen' in Foxite... he/she obviously know their stuff
> and have been developing for a good while.
>
> https://www.foxite.com/members/default.aspx?id=4e637c9c-b764-4c9d-99d8
> -
> 0dfddba20427
>
>
> if you look at his post on the Report Footer fix
>
> http://www.baiyujia.com/vfpdocuments/f_vfp9fix.asp
>
> he actually shows code to "pro_ext.h" with Copyright to Microsoft
> Corporation. Surely this code wouldn't be legitimately available for
> duplication or modification. Hence my suspect mind as to how the code
> was obtained. Either that or I'm becoming a very cynical human being!!
>
> Dave
>
>
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Re: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

[Paul Hemans]

Dave
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa975726(v=vs.71).aspx

To use the header file and create a compiled library, you need:

   - The header file Pro_ext.h. You can print this file to see the function
   declarations, typedefs, and structs used in the Visual FoxPro API.
   - The file Winapims.lib.

Both of these files are installed in the API subdirectory when you install
Visual FoxPro.

Nothing fishy there.

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 8:57 PM, Dave Crozier  wrote:

> Posts from 'Mr Chen' in Foxite... he/she obviously know their stuff and
> have been developing for a good while.
>
> https://www.foxite.com/members/default.aspx?id=4e637c9c-b764-4c9d-99d8-
> 0dfddba20427
>
>
> if you look at his post on the Report Footer fix
>
> http://www.baiyujia.com/vfpdocuments/f_vfp9fix.asp
>
> he actually shows code to "pro_ext.h" with Copyright to Microsoft
> Corporation. Surely this code wouldn't be legitimately available for
> duplication or modification. Hence my suspect mind as to how the code was
> obtained. Either that or I'm becoming a very cynical human being!!
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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> -Original Message-
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> Sent: 31 October 2017 09:29
> To: ProFox Email List 
> Subject: RE: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt
>
> Either these guys are very, very, very bright or there just COULD have
> been some industrial espionage going on here I think.
>
> They do seem to have so much in depth information about the inner workings
> of VFP and the layout/composition of the existing VFP Code Base.
>
> Just a thought but not complaining though if it works!
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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> adequate virus 

RE: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

[Dave Crozier]

Posts from 'Mr Chen' in Foxite... he/she obviously know their stuff and have 
been developing for a good while.

https://www.foxite.com/members/default.aspx?id=4e637c9c-b764-4c9d-99d8-0dfddba20427


if you look at his post on the Report Footer fix

http://www.baiyujia.com/vfpdocuments/f_vfp9fix.asp

he actually shows code to "pro_ext.h" with Copyright to Microsoft Corporation. 
Surely this code wouldn't be legitimately available for duplication or 
modification. Hence my suspect mind as to how the code was obtained. Either 
that or I'm becoming a very cynical human being!!

Dave




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Subject: RE: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

Either these guys are very, very, very bright or there just COULD have been 
some industrial espionage going on here I think.

They do seem to have so much in depth information about the inner workings of 
VFP and the layout/composition of the existing VFP Code Base.

Just a thought but not complaining though if it works!

Dave




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RE: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

[Dave Crozier]

Either these guys are very, very, very bright or there just COULD have been 
some industrial espionage going on here I think.

They do seem to have so much in depth information about the inner workings of 
VFP and the layout/composition of the existing VFP Code Base.

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-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt at VR-FX
Sent: 30 October 2017 17:37
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: VFP10 Advanced was FoxPro DevCon in Frankfurt

I was surprised to read about this today - had not even heard of it till now.

Very interesting indeed!

-K-


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> About time we had a discussion section for this.
> Must admit it had flown under my radar until the reference to it was posted 
> here.
> Any more information from anyone may be welcome to us all.
> Dave
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