On 6/14/2011 2:55 AM, Thierry Nivelet wrote:
Doing so, IMHO, is influenced by the 'serious dev' marketing, the same who
consider loose typed and dynamic languages as second-class citizens.
LOL! Reminds me of them bashing VFP for being Late-binding instead of
good ol' VB6's early-binding.
Very interesting article indeed and, it seems, reasonably independent.
Amazing to me is the belief, expressed in the article and this thread, that
HTML/JS would be a 'mere' solution compared to thick client.
HTML5/CSS/JS offer exactly the same graphic look and feel as silverlight, flash
and
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Ed Leafe e...@leafe.com wrote:
What happened to fool me once, shame on you; ...
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Replaced by 'once bitten, twice shy ' ?
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:55 +0200, Thierry Nivelet
tnive...@foxincloud.com wrote:
It'll take another six month and a couple of browser versions to obtain
the same performance, but all the necessary bits (rotation, opacity,
audio, video, ...) are part of the spec, just entered in the final run
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:09 -0400, Ed Leafe e...@leafe.com wrote:
What happened to fool me once, shame on you; ...
Sure, but it's not like it never happens with other tools and platforms,
and it's not like Microsoft doesn't usually end up producing excellent
tools and languages.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011May/0162.html
... even announced in VisualStudio Magazine ;)
http://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2011/06/02/wnews_html-5-last-call.aspx
Le 14/06/11 13:16, Alan Bourke a écrit :
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:55 +0200, Thierry Nivelet
another interesting thing is that
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011May/0162.html
is signed by
Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
Le 14/06/11 13:20, Thierry Nivelet a écrit :
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011May/0162.html
... even announced in VisualStudio
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:20 +0200, Thierry Nivelet t...@zenbuyer.com
wrote:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011May/0162.html
... even announced in VisualStudio Magazine ;)
oops, well in that case I stand corrected!
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On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 7:51 PM, John Harvey john.har...@shelbynet.com wrote:
I think they are more sinister than just reactionary. They embrace,
absorb/assimilate and overcome. Usually by their 2rd iteration they have it
down to a usable product and because of the size of their crowd, they
I think they are more sinister than just reactionary. They embrace,
absorb/assimilate and overcome. Usually by their
2rd iteration they have it down to a usable product and because of the size of
their crowd, they become the market. That
doesn't really bother me, it's just all the turbulence
Here's a good article on the whole HTML5/JS versus Silverlight debacle:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/06/html5-centric-windows-8-leaves-microsoft-developers-horrified.ars
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On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Alan Bourke alanpbou...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Here's a good article on the whole HTML5/JS versus Silverlight debacle:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/06/html5-centric-windows-8-leaves-microsoft-developers-horrified.ars
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I never let a
On 6/13/2011 3:08 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Alan Bourkealanpbou...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Here's a good article on the whole HTML5/JS versus Silverlight debacle:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:10 -0400, MB Software Solutions,LLC
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
but you clearly understand why it makes developers cringe and people
like Ed, Paul, Ted, and many others say You're not surprised, are you?
See, I told you so! Break away from
Actually I was trying to say 3rd which is why it said 2rd... As for the rest
of your statement, I agree totally. I try to learn a little of everything I
can so if need be, I can switch to whatever fits best.
John
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From: profox-boun...@leafe.com
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This is one reason I refuse to allow my company to be focused on only one
customer, and why I refuse to invest into one future technology from one
vendor.
More panic on the forums from Silverlight and WPF developers:
http://forums.silverlight.net/forums/t/230502.aspx
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Mike
More panic on the forums from Silverlight and WPF developers:
Most developers hit the state of panic last year when Microsoft had no
Silverlight at PDC. Strange that it popped up all
over again, which is why I believe this is intentional. This story has all
sorts of history repeating itself. g
On 6/13/2011 5:36 PM, Rick Schummer wrote:
More panic on the forums from Silverlight and WPF developers:
Most developers hit the state of panic last year when Microsoft had no
Silverlight at PDC. Strange that it popped up all
over again, which is why I believe this is intentional. This story
On Jun 13, 2011, at 5:41 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
Different year, different tool/platform. Humorous if people's livelihood
were not at stake.
Boy, you said it...that's why it incenses people so.
What happened to fool me once, shame on you; ...
Or perhaps
On 6/13/2011 6:09 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
On Jun 13, 2011, at 5:41 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
Different year, different tool/platform. Humorous if people's livelihood
were not at stake.
Boy, you said it...that's why it incenses people so.
What happened to fool me once, shame
On 6/11/2011 4:37 PM, John Harvey wrote:
I just get tired of flavor of the day, and these vendors keep pushing things,
then changing it, killing backwards compatibility, or never implementing it,
etc. I'm sure you can identify with that.
It would be nice to have a clear path, but then it
Well, I think Javascript can't be thought of as a mere scripting
language any more, in fact the way Microsoft are going you might see
HTMl5 and Javascript being brought forward and Silverlight etc quietly
getting shoved aside.
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 02:29 -0400, MB Software Solutions,LLC
On 6/12/2011 6:18 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
Well, I think Javascript can't be thought of as a mere scripting
language any more, in fact the way Microsoft are going you might see
HTMl5 and Javascript being brought forward and Silverlight etc quietly
getting shoved aside.
Oh don't say that. To
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 09:55 -0400, MB Software Solutions,LLC
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
Oh don't say that. To me, Silverlight is very young/new yet so to have
it shoved aside seems like that would completely justify what John is
saying.
Well, it won't disappear
Well, I think Javascript can't be thought of as a mere scripting language
any more, in fact the way Microsoft are
going you might see
HTMl5 and Javascript being brought forward and Silverlight etc quietly getting
shoved aside.
The Microsoft message on HTML5/Javascript vs. Silverlight is more
Silverlight is a me-too product coming 10 years after its predecessor -
Flash/Flex/etc. - based on a triple belief:
- 95% use Windows, and will increase,
- 95% use Internet Explorer, and will increase,
- HTML will never catch up with proprietary software for RIA
All these three beliefs came out
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Rick Schummer
pro...@whitelightcomputing.com wrote:
Well, I think Javascript can't be thought of as a mere scripting language
any more, in fact the way
I think mere is not an appropriate adjective to use with scripting
languages. Except for a few high-level
I think they are more sinister than just reactionary. They embrace,
absorb/assimilate and overcome. Usually by their 2rd iteration they have it
down to a usable product and because of the size of their crowd, they become
the market. That doesn't really bother me, it's just all the turbulence that
Hi all
Took an in-depth look at the site sample code.
Coding extensively in JavaScript with the Prototype framework, I saw nothing
very new and/or disruptive in Coffee script.
They seem to ignore javascript's automatic coercion feature when they write:
if (typeof elvis !== undefined elvis
This is just what we need . . . another scripting language. I think anyone who
comes up with a NEW scripting language should be shot!
John
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From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of
Thierry Nivelet
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 1:17
What don't you like in scripting languages ?
Thierry Nivelet
+33 6 08 82 44 63
Le 11 juin 2011 à 20:54, John Harvey john.har...@shelbynet.com a écrit :
This is just what we need . . . another scripting language. I think anyone
who comes up with a NEW scripting language should be shot!
I've seen it in relation to it's use to generate Javascript for use with
Appcelerator Titanium cross-platform mobile development toolkit. So it
would be Coffeescript to Javascript and then to Java or Objective-C,
depending on Android or iPhone, then into whatever low-level format they
compile it
I just get tired of flavor of the day, and these vendors keep pushing things,
then changing it, killing backwards compatibility, or never implementing it,
etc. I'm sure you can identify with that.
It would be nice to have a clear path, but then it wouldn't be so
interesting, would it
John
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