Re: [Project_owners] Some road map questions / suggestions...
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Benoit Renard, msnmsgr wrote: I've had to use invisionfree.com for free forum hosting for the last several years. Although inivisionfree.com is better than no forums and mozdev's notes, it still leaves a lot to be desired (e.g., very sporadic email notification of new threads/replies). However, I've yet to find anything better and free. What about RunBoard? It's pretty good. I've heard good things about http://bbpress.org/ and http://getvanilla.com/ for PHP-based forum software. -- Asheesh. -- I thought you were trying to get into shape. I am. The shape I've selected is a triangle. ___ Project_owners mailing list Project_owners@mozdev.org http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
Re: [Project_owners] Some road map questions / suggestions...
Douglas E. Warner wrote: Michael, thanks for the feedback. I'll try to clarify why some of the items that are on the list are where they are: bug#13381: Create unstarted projects list - this is high on the list so we can free up resources on our server; so this one is there for purely selfish reasons (from Mozdev's standpoint), but we wanted to put it there so people knew it would be worked on. There's currently a large number of projects (approx 400 out of 1600 - 25%) that were requested to be started but never had any significant work - so we'd like the clear the old ones out (probably ones that are 1yr old). This project is almost done, so hopefully you'll see it get checked off the roadmap soon ;) Ah, you see... this would have been nice to read on a company blog because I had no idea what it was about. Thanks. Enhance download mirrors (Several bugs) - This would probably be where your SSL enhancements would show up, and it is definitely something on my radar for this week that I'll be looking into. That Doug, that'll be great. Project stats page - There's actually a number of things we were working on for doing the unstarted projects list (mailman stats, bugzilla stats, cvs stats) that were one of the bigger drivers for this project, but the presentation of the information on the web could probably have its priority shifted down a bit. And maybe people here can help you with it? bug#11890 - Subversion - We're looking into offering Subversion as well as some other backends for projects to host their code. As everyone is very aware, the project websites and downloads are very hooked into CVS, and I doubt that would change very quickly even if we did add SVN (ie, SVN would only be for hosting code). We will use whatever gets installed, as long as Komodo IDE can handle it out of the box, but we still can't get the filesize or generate hashes of XPI's and that is a *major* pain in the but for us. bug#15670 - Commit notifications - this is something that was asked about a long time ago so we tried to make it higher on the priority list. It could probably be moved back down if project owners currently don't think it's very important. I'm sure you are unfamiliar with my fathers requests, it seems, because he asked for forums back in April 2001, 2002, 2003 and finally I took over asking for it in 2006 and 2007 so yeah, forums should have a top priority yet I don't even see them listen, right? Also note that several projects have moved on to other hosting facilities because of this. The reasons that the wiki and blog are currently higher on the priority list are: 1) make it easier for project owners to post updates and documentation about their projects 2) make it more transparent what Mozdev is working on by publishing things in a blog that are currently happening This is something my dad and I have been suggesting, and for some time now, so I'm glad to see it happening any time soon. Since I started at Mozdev about a month ago I've been trying to post at least weekly progress reports on my personal blog, which you can find here: http://www.silfreed.net/history.php?category=mozdev RSS: http://www.silfreed.net/mozdev.rss Ah yes, there it is. I forgot what is was, and I had no idea how to contact you, and if that was even appropriate, still even. (I currently have a bug open to get this in on Planet Mozilla: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=386092) I rather see this on the site where it belongs, mozdev.org If the project owners would like I can also start posting this here so we can discuss what's been going on. Blogs are todays way of getting people up to date so yes please, I would subscribe right away. Having your own (personal) blog is fine, but you as employee should also have one over at mozdev.org, like many other companies are doing today. -- Michael Vincent van Rantwijk - MultiZilla Project Team Lead - XUL Boot Camp Staff member - iPhone Application Developer ___ Project_owners mailing list Project_owners@mozdev.org http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
Re: [Project_owners] Some road map questions / suggestions...
p.s. it would also be nice if every project owner put his project name behind his name, because I have no clue as to what your project on mozdev.org might be ;) Done! :D ___ Project_owners mailing list Project_owners@mozdev.org http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
Re: [Project_owners] Some road map questions / suggestions...
Ok, so that would be something our (as in project owners) users will see, so we might want to split up the road map into two diferent task sets; one for the project owners, and one for end-users / visitors?!? That's something we could do, although I think I'd prefer to wait until we have the wiki back before we do too much to the roadmap other than move some bugs up or down the list. David ___ Project_owners mailing list Project_owners@mozdev.org http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
Re: [Project_owners] Some road map questions / suggestions...
For me, it's the download mirror enhancing that interests me the most. I'm indifferent to the rest, as I'm content with what MozDev offers now, for the time being. ___ Project_owners mailing list Project_owners@mozdev.org http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
Re: [Project_owners] Some road map questions / suggestions...
Benoit Renard wrote: For me, it's the download mirror enhancing that interests me the most. Ok, so that would be something our (as in project owners) users will see, so we might want to split up the road map into two diferent task sets; one for the project owners, and one for end-users / visitors?!? I'm indifferent to the rest, as I'm content with what MozDev offers now, for the time being. Do you use a forum or newsgroup, or anything else for that matter, from a different source (website, your own maybe)? ___ Project_owners mailing list Project_owners@mozdev.org http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
Re: [Project_owners] Some road map questions / suggestions...
Doesn't BugZilla have a voting feature where we can vote for our favorites? The higher votes could drive priority. Maybe that isn't practical since it seems many project-owners don't bother with the mozdev project on bugzilla.mozdev.org. ___ Project_owners mailing list Project_owners@mozdev.org http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
Re: [Project_owners] Some road map questions / suggestions...
On Jul 8 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't BugZilla have a voting feature where we can vote for our favorites? The higher votes could drive priority. Maybe that isn't practical since it seems many project-owners don't bother with the mozdev project on bugzilla.mozdev.org. https://www.mozdev.org/bugs/ is the new name for bugzilla.mozdev.org -- cdn -- feedback -at- mozdev -dot- org is for comments *not* about a specific project http://gifts-for-free.co.uk Extensions for Mozilla-based Applications [ http://cdn.mozdev.org/ ] ___ Project_owners mailing list Project_owners@mozdev.org http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
Re: [Project_owners] Some road map questions / suggestions...
On 7/8/07, Michael Vincent van Rantwijk, MultiZilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What specific features of http://subversion.tigris.org/ are you talking about here? I ask this because it might be helpful to other project owners, or Doug (mozdev.org) when he setup subversion. Good question. In all honesty, I'm not entirely certain that the features I refer to are relevant to a SVN admin installation. Primarily, I'm impressed by svn:externals, svn:mime-type (or whatever it's called - I left my SVN book at the office), svn:eol-style, pre- and post-commit hook scripts, the fact that you can remove directories in svn, a super-simple branch/tag capability via svn copy, svn's ability to do diffs while offline (I do a lot of work on my MacBook, when I'm disconnected)... the list goes on and on. p.s. it would also be nice if every project owner put his project name behind his name, because I have no clue as to what your project on mozdev.org might be ;) Sorry -- verbosio, xulwidgets, abacus (in hibernation right now), tinderstatus (de facto), and participating in jslib. -- The first step in confirming there is a bug in someone else's work is confirming there are no bugs in your own. -- Alexander J. Vincent, June 30, 2001 ___ Project_owners mailing list Project_owners@mozdev.org http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
Re: [Project_owners] Some road map questions / suggestions...
Doesn't BugZilla have a voting feature where we can vote for our favorites? The higher votes could drive priority. Maybe that isn't practical since it seems many project-owners don't bother with the mozdev project on bugzilla.mozdev.org. Yes, there is a voting feature that we could turn on for the mozdev bugs if people would like to use it. We also had a polling tool installed on the site at one point, although I'm not sure if it's still working. David ___ Project_owners mailing list Project_owners@mozdev.org http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
Re: [Project_owners] Some road map questions / suggestions...
For me, it's the download mirror enhancing that interests me the most. I'm indifferent to the rest, as I'm content with what MozDev offers now, for the time being. It sounds like the download mirror improvements should be moved higher up on the roadmap. If anyone objects to moving that above blogs, wikis, LXR or bonsai, please let us know. David ___ Project_owners mailing list Project_owners@mozdev.org http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
Re: [Project_owners] Some road map questions / suggestions...
Michael, thanks for the feedback. I'll try to clarify why some of the items that are on the list are where they are: bug#13381: Create unstarted projects list - this is high on the list so we can free up resources on our server; so this one is there for purely selfish reasons (from Mozdev's standpoint), but we wanted to put it there so people knew it would be worked on. There's currently a large number of projects (approx 400 out of 1600 - 25%) that were requested to be started but never had any significant work - so we'd like the clear the old ones out (probably ones that are 1yr old). This project is almost done, so hopefully you'll see it get checked off the roadmap soon ;) Enhance download mirrors (Several bugs) - This would probably be where your SSL enhancements would show up, and it is definitely something on my radar for this week that I'll be looking into. Project stats page - There's actually a number of things we were working on for doing the unstarted projects list (mailman stats, bugzilla stats, cvs stats) that were one of the bigger drivers for this project, but the presentation of the information on the web could probably have its priority shifted down a bit. bug#11890 - Subversion - We're looking into offering Subversion as well as some other backends for projects to host their code. As everyone is very aware, the project websites and downloads are very hooked into CVS, and I doubt that would change very quickly even if we did add SVN (ie, SVN would only be for hosting code). bug#15670 - Commit notifications - this is something that was asked about a long time ago so we tried to make it higher on the priority list. It could probably be moved back down if project owners currently don't think it's very important. The reasons that the wiki and blog are currently higher on the priority list are: 1) make it easier for project owners to post updates and documentation about their projects 2) make it more transparent what Mozdev is working on by publishing things in a blog that are currently happening Since I started at Mozdev about a month ago I've been trying to post at least weekly progress reports on my personal blog, which you can find here: http://www.silfreed.net/history.php?category=mozdev RSS: http://www.silfreed.net/mozdev.rss (I currently have a bug open to get this in on Planet Mozilla: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=386092) If the project owners would like I can also start posting this here so we can discuss what's been going on. -Doug On Friday 06 July 2007, Michael Vincent van Rantwijk wrote: I am missing SSL work and forums support in the road map, and I would like to suggest the following priority changes: this: Create unstarted projects list (bug 13381) should go after this: Re-enable wiki (bug 17020) this: Project stats page should go after this: Enhance download mirrors (Several bugs) this: Commit notifications (bug 15670) should go after this: Add Subversion (or another version control tool) (bug 11890) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Project_owners mailing list Project_owners@mozdev.org http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
Re: [Project_owners] Some road map questions / suggestions...
I'd like the roadmap to reflect the priorities of the people using the site, so thanks for sending feedback. Before we move anything around though, it would be useful to get input from other project owners. David Here are a few road map questions / suggestions: I am missing SSL work and forums support in the road map, and I would like to suggest the following priority changes: this: Create unstarted projects list (bug 13381) should go after this: Re-enable wiki (bug 17020) this: Project stats page should go after this: Enhance download mirrors (Several bugs) this: Commit notifications (bug 15670) should go after this: Add Subversion (or another version control tool) (bug 11890) Thank you, Michael ___ Project_owners mailing list Project_owners@mozdev.org http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners ___ Project_owners mailing list Project_owners@mozdev.org http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
Re: [Project_owners] Some road map questions / suggestions...
Personally, I'm getting really tired of messing around with CVS; Subversion works a lot better, and I'd like to move my project to that, the sooner the better. On 7/7/07, David Boswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like the roadmap to reflect the priorities of the people using the site, so thanks for sending feedback. Before we move anything around though, it would be useful to get input from other project owners. David Here are a few road map questions / suggestions: I am missing SSL work and forums support in the road map, and I would like to suggest the following priority changes: this: Create unstarted projects list (bug 13381) should go after this: Re-enable wiki (bug 17020) this: Project stats page should go after this: Enhance download mirrors (Several bugs) this: Commit notifications (bug 15670) should go after this: Add Subversion (or another version control tool) (bug 11890) Thank you, Michael ___ Project_owners mailing list Project_owners@mozdev.org http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners ___ Project_owners mailing list Project_owners@mozdev.org http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners -- The first step in confirming there is a bug in someone else's work is confirming there are no bugs in your own. -- Alexander J. Vincent, June 30, 2001 ___ Project_owners mailing list Project_owners@mozdev.org http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
Re: [Project_owners] Some road map questions / suggestions...
David Boswell wrote: I'd like the roadmap to reflect the priorities of the people using the site, so thanks for sending feedback. Before we move anything around though, it would be useful to get input from other project owners. David Note that Enhance download mirrors (Several bugs) is pretty vague (if you don't know what this is all about) and I thought that it might affect Project stats page by changes made for the former. Same for the last one. Here are a few road map questions / suggestions: I am missing SSL work and forums support in the road map, and I would like to suggest the following priority changes: this: Create unstarted projects list (bug 13381) should go after this: Re-enable wiki (bug 17020) this: Project stats page should go after this: Enhance download mirrors (Several bugs) this: Commit notifications (bug 15670) should go after this: Add Subversion (or another version control tool) (bug 11890) Thank you, Michael ___ Project_owners mailing list Project_owners@mozdev.org http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
