Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: six or eight-layer (or more?) stackups - Capacitance

2003-06-06 Thread Rene Tschaggelar
Thanks for the in-depth story and link. Rene Ian Wilson wrote: The first resonance (at least) of a cap is series, so looks like a short circuit. By adding a number of different valued caps you can scatter a number of these nice AC shorts around your board and around your frequencies of

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: six or eight-layer (or more?) stackups - Capacitance

2003-06-05 Thread Ian Wilson
On 07:14 PM 4/06/2003, John Sheahan said: On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 09:34:18AM +0200, Norbert Hoppe wrote: When selecting parallel caps, it is important to remember that as the larger value capacitor goes inductive, the smaller value cap is still capacitive. At a particular frequency, a LC

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: six or eight-layer (or more?) stackups - Capacitance

2003-06-05 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: six or eight-layer (or more?) stackups - Capacitance On 07:14 PM 4/06/2003, John Sheahan said: On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 09:34:18AM +0200, Norbert Hoppe wrote: When

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: six or eight-layer (or more?) stackups - Capacitance

2003-06-05 Thread John Sheahan
On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 09:37:19PM +1000, Ian Wilson wrote: Thanks for the well reasoned response Ian. I went through this a few months ago, but needed 0402 package (was a dense board) and a similar line of research showed 100n was the best choice there. But it depends on the particular caps

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: six or eight-layer (or more?) stackups - Capacitance

2003-06-05 Thread Ian Wilson
On 08:28 AM 5/06/2003, John Sheahan said: snip.. Value Size Impedance 103 0603~1 ohm 103 0805~0.5 ohm 103 1206~0.3 ohm 104 0805~1 ohm 104 1206~1 ohm So if you spec a 10nF 0603 you have a resistor, not a decoupler, at 100 MHz. probably only a

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: six or eight-layer (or more?) stackups - Capacitance

2003-06-05 Thread John Sheahan
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 10:29:29AM +1000, Ian Wilson wrote: about is minimising the AC impedance between the power nets over a suitably broad range of frequencies and to an adequately low level - both application dependent. Operating past resonance simply means the impedance is inductive

[PEDA] Re[2]: six or eight-layer (or more?) stackups - Capacitance

2003-06-04 Thread Phillip Stevens
JH 2/ Use a spread of capacitor values so that you swap one or two deep JH resonant nulls for a swag of shallower ones spread across the spectrum. I found this to be interesting. I've just about finished reading Digital Design for Interference Specifications David l. Terrell, R.Kenneth Keenan,

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: six or eight-layer (or more?) stackups - Capacitance

2003-06-04 Thread Norbert Hoppe
- Original Message - From: Phillip Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 7:22 AM Subject: [PEDA] Re[2]: six or eight-layer (or more?) stackups - Capacitance JH 2/ Use a spread of capacitor values so that you swap one or two