Re: [PEDA] Compaq and Intel WAS: Win2000

2002-02-07 Thread Jeff Adolphs 

Ivan,

Thanks for the advice! I definitely plan on insisting on a Dell next
time ( I shouldn't have been so desperate for hardware to take
anything).

I plan on building a white box for my next home computer with all the
internet advice like www.directron.com, www.amd.com, www.pricewatch.com,
is should be easy to build up a system without monitor and keypad board
for around $400 (AMD processor board).

I tried to get my Dad to buy a Dell notebook for himself but he does not
like mail-order. He got a top of the line Toshiba notebook with a
service contract so he can take it back to the store if anything craps
out. We avoided Compaq like the plague! I even avoided Hewlett Packard
because I couldn't remember who they merged with.

Jeff Adolphs
Lake Shore Cryotronics, Inc.
Westerville, Ohio
www.lakeshore.com



-Original Message-
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:41 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: [PEDA] Compaq and Intel WAS: Win2000


IMO:

Intel Celeron is OK.
Compaq is awful.

I have at home a white box PC with a Celeron 466 - it works great.  Runs
W98se and Suse Linux 7.3 dual-boot.  I use it for digital photo
editing/printing, audio editing, jukebox, web surfing, and games.  Plays
MP3s, 3D games just fine.

I had (note the past tense) a Compaq Presario 4640, PII-266.  Awful
machine.
Slow hard disk, substandard modem, flaky video, DVD drive quit after 4
months, everything was proprietary, even the mechanical form factor.  I
replaced the DVD drive with a 40X CDROM drive and that was better.
Compaq
installation CD would reformat your hard drive if you used it.  Why
couldn't
they have used a standard Windows CD just like everyone else?  Maybe
they
figured they would make the punishment for installing the OS so heinous
that
no one would pirate it?  This is why I buy only white box PCs now.

I am glad you got your IPAQ running OK now.  But in the future, get your
IT
guys to buy you good hardware to run Protel on.  You don't want to be
fighting two sources of bugs at the same time!

Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website:  www.bagotronix.com


- Original Message -
From: Jeff Adolphs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Win2000


I had some real problems - but it was a bad RAM card. Now Protel 99SE
w/SP6 is running fantastic on Win2000.
Note: I do mixed analog/digital 2 layer, 4 layer boards and do not use
Autorouting or Simulation software.

Even the crappy Compaq IPAQ with Intel Celeron processor is running all
my software well. Software being: PowerCerv, AutoCAD 2000, MS Office
2000, MS Outlook, etc. RAM is 326 Meg which is more than I thought I
had.

Jeff Adolphs
Lake Shore Cryotronics, Inc.
Westerville, Ohio



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Re: [PEDA] Compaq and Intel WAS: Win2000

2002-02-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax 

At 11:21 AM 2/7/2002 -0500, Jeff Adolphs wrote:
I plan on building a white box for my next home computer with all the
internet advice like www.directron.com, www.amd.com, www.pricewatch.com,
is should be easy to build up a system without monitor and keypad board
for around $400 (AMD processor board).

I just put together a system from generic components at the end of 2001, I 
reported thoroughly on what I bought and where, on this list, it's in the 
archive at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/protel-users-PEDA-Archive/message/5422


I now consider the following a minimum for serious use of Protel 99SE:

1.5 GHz processor or equivalent (I got an Athlon 1600)
512 MB RAM
two 21 inch monitors running 1600x1200.
Windows 2000

Obviously, you can do a lot with less, and carpenters don't need power 
tools, either. But if I hired a carpenter for anything other than antique 
restoral, I'd want him to be using power tools! What I described is 
*cheap*, especially when compared to the cost of a Protel license!

I've bought a couple of 21 inch monitors since then, so I'd say that the 
total cost of everything suggested, plus whatever else is needed to build a 
system including at least 60 G of hard drive, CD R/W, etc, would be well 
under $1500 including operating system.

(Protel: note that I consider better support for dual monitors crucial for 
professional use of Protel. Right now most menus pop up in screen center, 
which is the center of the desktop, i.e., astride the middle of the two 
monitors. I can't change that location. I'm running Matrox hardware, which 
does set up a full 3200x1200 desktop; I think that some other dual monitor 
implementations might behave differently.)




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Easthampton, Massachusetts USA

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