Re: Does anyone read this list?

[Ken Giusti]

+1 to nuking proton@ from orbit.

- Original Message -
> From: "Fraser Adams" <fraser.ad...@blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: proton@qpid.apache.org
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 2:52:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Does anyone read this list?
> 
> +1 on Alan's comments
> 
> Qpid has lots of components and a single cohesive user list as the
> "entry point" is the best way to foster community IMHO.
> 
> F.
> 
> On 24/03/16 21:29, Alan Conway wrote:
> > On Thu, 2016-03-24 at 18:23 +, Troy Daniels wrote:
> >> This was also the only mailing list that I found a reference to when
> >> I was
> >> looking at the proton site.  Which makes me agree that you (or at
> >> least
> >> the documentation) are trying to recruit developers rather than
> >> users. :-)
> > It is a historical accident I think. The Qpid project has a lot of
> > interesting and inter-related things going on around AMQP. Proton is an
> > important sub-project but not the only one. In the early days it was
> > felt by some that proton really needed its own list, but I think in
> > practice that has turned out to be a bad idea that just isolates and
> > breaks up discussions. The user list is not so heavily trafficked and
> > most interesting discussions that touch on proton also touch on other
> > Qpid projects. So I generally post to the user list but I keep an eye
> > on this one.
> >
> > I'd change the reference on the site if I wasn't afeared of a
> > firestorm. Anyone who objects please complain on the proton list only
> > ;)
> 
> 

-- 
-K

Re: Does anyone read this list?

[Fraser Adams]

+1 on Alan's comments

Qpid has lots of components and a single cohesive user list as the 
"entry point" is the best way to foster community IMHO.


F.

On 24/03/16 21:29, Alan Conway wrote:

On Thu, 2016-03-24 at 18:23 +, Troy Daniels wrote:

This was also the only mailing list that I found a reference to when
I was
looking at the proton site.  Which makes me agree that you (or at
least
the documentation) are trying to recruit developers rather than
users. :-)

It is a historical accident I think. The Qpid project has a lot of
interesting and inter-related things going on around AMQP. Proton is an
important sub-project but not the only one. In the early days it was
felt by some that proton really needed its own list, but I think in
practice that has turned out to be a bad idea that just isolates and
breaks up discussions. The user list is not so heavily trafficked and
most interesting discussions that touch on proton also touch on other
Qpid projects. So I generally post to the user list but I keep an eye
on this one.

I'd change the reference on the site if I wasn't afeared of a
firestorm. Anyone who objects please complain on the proton list only
;)

Re: Does anyone read this list?

[Justin Ross]

I support making that change.  It's now on my site update todo list.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Alan Conway  wrote:

> On Thu, 2016-03-24 at 18:23 +, Troy Daniels wrote:
> > This was also the only mailing list that I found a reference to when
> > I was
> > looking at the proton site.  Which makes me agree that you (or at
> > least
> > the documentation) are trying to recruit developers rather than
> > users. :-)
>
> It is a historical accident I think. The Qpid project has a lot of
> interesting and inter-related things going on around AMQP. Proton is an
> important sub-project but not the only one. In the early days it was
> felt by some that proton really needed its own list, but I think in
> practice that has turned out to be a bad idea that just isolates and
> breaks up discussions. The user list is not so heavily trafficked and
> most interesting discussions that touch on proton also touch on other
> Qpid projects. So I generally post to the user list but I keep an eye
> on this one.
>
> I'd change the reference on the site if I wasn't afeared of a
> firestorm. Anyone who objects please complain on the proton list only
> ;)
>

Re: Does anyone read this list?

[Alan Conway]

On Thu, 2016-03-24 at 18:23 +, Troy Daniels wrote:
> This was also the only mailing list that I found a reference to when
> I was
> looking at the proton site.  Which makes me agree that you (or at
> least
> the documentation) are trying to recruit developers rather than
> users. :-)

It is a historical accident I think. The Qpid project has a lot of
interesting and inter-related things going on around AMQP. Proton is an
important sub-project but not the only one. In the early days it was
felt by some that proton really needed its own list, but I think in
practice that has turned out to be a bad idea that just isolates and
breaks up discussions. The user list is not so heavily trafficked and
most interesting discussions that touch on proton also touch on other
Qpid projects. So I generally post to the user list but I keep an eye
on this one.

I'd change the reference on the site if I wasn't afeared of a
firestorm. Anyone who objects please complain on the proton list only
;)

Re: Does anyone read this list?

[Troy Daniels]

This was also the only mailing list that I found a reference to when I was
looking at the proton site.  Which makes me agree that you (or at least
the documentation) are trying to recruit developers rather than users. :-)

Troy

On 3/24/16, 2:12 PM, "Michael Goulish" <mgoul...@redhat.com> wrote:

>
>I do think this list is meant to be mostly about the
>mechanical details of development, and any topics
>that would be of interest to actual users is meant to
>go on the users list.
>
>The fact that there is no documentation that might
>have told you this is actually intentional. It's to
>help get you ready to read the proton code.  :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>- Original Message -
>> Troy,
>> 
>> I monitor both this discussion (proton) list and the users.
>> 
>> It is true there is more going on in the users discussion list.  I tend
>>to
>> post to the users list because a lot of times discussion items posted
>>here
>> (proton) are just not picked here as readily as on users.
>> 
>> I agree with your general assessment.  It does pose the question "When
>>is it
>> appropriate to post to this discussion list?"
>> 
>> Paul Flores
>> 
>> 
>> ________
>> From: Troy Daniels [troy.dani...@stresearch.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:02 AM
>> To: proton@qpid.apache.org
>> Subject: Does anyone read this list?
>> 
>> It seems like there are two types of posts to this list: automated
>>posts when
>> there is an commit to version control, and initial questions from new
>>users.
>> There does not seem to be discussion or answers to questions.
>> 
>> It seems like I should unsubscribe and find a different forum for my
>> questions.  Is that an accurate assessment?
>> 
>> Troy

Re: Does anyone read this list?

[Michael Goulish]

I do think this list is meant to be mostly about the
mechanical details of development, and any topics 
that would be of interest to actual users is meant to
go on the users list.

The fact that there is no documentation that might 
have told you this is actually intentional. It's to
help get you ready to read the proton code.  :-)





- Original Message -
> Troy,
> 
> I monitor both this discussion (proton) list and the users.
> 
> It is true there is more going on in the users discussion list.  I tend to
> post to the users list because a lot of times discussion items posted here
> (proton) are just not picked here as readily as on users.
> 
> I agree with your general assessment.  It does pose the question "When is it
> appropriate to post to this discussion list?"
> 
> Paul Flores
> 
> 
> 
> From: Troy Daniels [troy.dani...@stresearch.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:02 AM
> To: proton@qpid.apache.org
> Subject: Does anyone read this list?
> 
> It seems like there are two types of posts to this list: automated posts when
> there is an commit to version control, and initial questions from new users.
> There does not seem to be discussion or answers to questions.
> 
> It seems like I should unsubscribe and find a different forum for my
> questions.  Is that an accurate assessment?
> 
> Troy

RE: Does anyone read this list?

[Flores, Paul A.]

Troy,

I monitor both this discussion (proton) list and the users.

It is true there is more going on in the users discussion list.  I tend to post 
to the users list because a lot of times discussion items posted here (proton) 
are just not picked here as readily as on users.

I agree with your general assessment.  It does pose the question "When is it 
appropriate to post to this discussion list?"

Paul Flores



From: Troy Daniels [troy.dani...@stresearch.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:02 AM
To: proton@qpid.apache.org
Subject: Does anyone read this list?

It seems like there are two types of posts to this list: automated posts when 
there is an commit to version control, and initial questions from new users.  
There does not seem to be discussion or answers to questions.

It seems like I should unsubscribe and find a different forum for my questions. 
 Is that an accurate assessment?

Troy

Does anyone read this list?

[Troy Daniels]

It seems like there are two types of posts to this list: automated posts when 
there is an commit to version control, and initial questions from new users.  
There does not seem to be discussion or answers to questions.

It seems like I should unsubscribe and find a different forum for my questions. 
 Is that an accurate assessment?

Troy