Re: Client APIs and AMQP 1.0 (was Re: Using the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing)

2014-05-21 Thread Gordon Sim
On 05/21/2014 02:10 PM, Ken Giusti wrote: I think of qpid::messaging as being a "traditional" client api. [...] Messenger, as an alternative, provides (or at least promises to provide) solutions to a lot of the issues a "traditional" API has left to the application implementation. Things like

Re: Client APIs and AMQP 1.0 (was Re: Using the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing)

2014-05-21 Thread Ken Giusti
Hi Gordon, - Original Message - > From: "Gordon Sim" > To: us...@qpid.apache.org > Cc: proton@qpid.apache.org > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 11:25:41 AM > Subject: Re: Client APIs and AMQP 1.0 (was Re: Using the messenger API to > connect to a server with

Re: Client APIs and AMQP 1.0 (was Re: Using the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing)

2014-05-19 Thread Gordon Sim
On 05/15/2014 01:44 PM, Ken Giusti wrote: I think we should develop Messenger as an alternative client API to qpid::messaging, focusing on use cases that are not necessarily well covered by the existing qpid::messaging API. I think they complement each other nicely. In what way do you think th

Re: Client APIs and AMQP 1.0 (was Re: Using the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing)

2014-05-16 Thread Ken Giusti
uot; > To: us...@qpid.apache.org > Cc: proton@qpid.apache.org > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:48:15 AM > Subject: Client APIs and AMQP 1.0 (was Re: Using the messenger API to connect > to a server without sending or > subscribing) > > On 04/28/2014 10:21 PM, Gordon Sim wrote

Client APIs and AMQP 1.0 (was Re: Using the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing)

2014-05-14 Thread Gordon Sim
On 04/28/2014 10:21 PM, Gordon Sim wrote: On 04/23/2014 05:17 PM, Fraser Adams wrote: BTW I wouldn't want to come across as favouring proton Messenger or qpid::messaging over the other, as I said previously they are peer APIs with different advantages and disadvantages, I'd certainly agree the

Re: Using the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing

2014-04-28 Thread Gordon Sim
On 04/23/2014 05:17 PM, Fraser Adams wrote: On 23/04/14 16:12, Rafael Schloming wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Chris White wrote: Our server backend is built on the qpid-proton library so ideally we would like our client API to also be built using qpid-proton library function. As an

Re: Using the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing

2014-04-28 Thread Alan Conway
On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 17:17 +0100, Fraser Adams wrote: > On 23/04/14 16:12, Rafael Schloming wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Chris White1 > > wrote: > > > >> Hi all > >> > >> Thanks for the informative and very helpful responses. > >> > >> We did look at qpid:Messaging but this seems

Re: Using the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing

2014-04-23 Thread Rafael Schloming
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Dominic Evans wrote: > > My inclination would be to add some sort of policy or mode to messenger. > > I'm not sure what I'd call it, but with this mode enabled, messenger > (when > > started) would always maintain active connections and/or links to any > > declare

Re: Using the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing

2014-04-23 Thread Fraser Adams
On 23/04/14 16:12, Rafael Schloming wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Chris White1 wrote: Hi all Thanks for the informative and very helpful responses. We did look at qpid:Messaging but this seems to be separate from the qpid-proton library, and there is a concern that the is no Java A

Re: Using the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing

2014-04-23 Thread Dominic Evans
Hursley Park, UK -- View this message in context: http://qpid.2158936.n2.nabble.com/Using-the-messenger-API-to-connect-to-a-server-without-sending-or-subscribing-tp7607184p7607280.html Sent from the Apache Qpid Proton mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: Using the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing

2014-04-23 Thread Rafael Schloming
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Chris White1 wrote: > Hi all > > Thanks for the informative and very helpful responses. > > We did look at qpid:Messaging but this seems to be separate from the > qpid-proton library, and there is a concern that the is no Java API and > some of the function we req

Re: Using the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing

2014-04-23 Thread Chris White1
the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing Hi Chris, Sorry for chiming in late, I've been in and out of meetings all day. Comments are inline... On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:49 AM, Chris White1 wrote: > Hi > > I'm part of the IBM team developing MQ Light

Re: Using the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing

2014-04-22 Thread Rafael Schloming
Hi Chris, Sorry for chiming in late, I've been in and out of meetings all day. Comments are inline... On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:49 AM, Chris White1 wrote: > Hi > > I'm part of the IBM team developing MQ Light ( > https://www.ibmdw.net/messaging/mq-light/) and we are implementing our > client API

Re: Using the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing

2014-04-22 Thread Fraser Adams
On 22/04/14 19:27, dnwe wrote: On 22/04/14 08:26, Fraser Adams wrote: I'm sure others with more detailed knowledge of the background would be able to give a better answer, but in short I think the thing that you need to bear in mind is that proton Messenger is a *Message* oriented API as opposed

Re: Using the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing

2014-04-22 Thread dnwe
Evans WebSphere MQ - Development IBM Software Group, Hursley Park, UK -- View this message in context: http://qpid.2158936.n2.nabble.com/Using-the-messenger-API-to-connect-to-a-server-without-sending-or-subscribing-tp7607184p7607249.html Sent from the Apache Qpid Proton mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: Using the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing

2014-04-22 Thread Dominic Evans
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Re: Using the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing

2014-04-22 Thread Dominic Evans
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Re: Using the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing

2014-04-22 Thread Fraser Adams
I'm sure others with more detailed knowledge of the background would be able to give a better answer, but in short I think the thing that you need to bear in mind is that proton Messenger is a *Message* oriented API as opposed to a *Connection* oriented API, so for example compare the approach

Using the messenger API to connect to a server without sending or subscribing

2014-04-21 Thread Chris White1
Hi I'm part of the IBM team developing MQ Light ( https://www.ibmdw.net/messaging/mq-light/) and we are implementing our client API using the AMQP Messenger C API. Our client API has a connect function, which is required to be invoked before sending or receiving messages. The AMQP Messager C A