Re: [psas-airframe] Flight Computer Mounting

2011-12-23 Thread Andrew Greenberg
> There's barely enough room... it will be tight, but I think it's 
> doable... see attached images...

That's good enough for me. Could you send me a DXF of the board size,
including the keepout areas of the various hardware around that board?
I'll wait on doing anything until we've built this thing, but I'd like
it for planning over the next coupla weeks.

> Maybe, depends on the thickness of the TIM... there are a few parts 
> that will interfere if we move the heat sink any closer to the 
> channel... It's currently 0.125" from the channel. How thick is the 
> TIM?

There are a huge amount of thicknesses we can get, all directly from
Digi-Key. In mils (sorry), they are:

1, 3, 4, 5, 10, 15, 19, 20, 40, 59, 60, 80, 98, 100, 125.

So the 0.125 will work, but I'd try and tighten it down to as little as
possible that still holds together, more like 40 - 80 mils.

Andrew

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Re: [psas-airframe] Flight Computer Mounting

2011-12-23 Thread Doug Ausmus
Use a 'tough' material for the standoffs - often pc-104 standoffs are
aluminum or plated brass or plated steel, but are available in nylon... I
suspect other materials can also be had. Some pc-104 systems use nylon edge
channels in tube enclosures (kinda like a rocket body? ) instead of the
standoffs. Not sure what is already planned, but using non-conductive
standoffs might be desirable in case of an early shear-off as it increases
survivability with no conductive particle loose and floating around in that
event. If you will be FEA'ing the standoffs anyway, suggest just running a
few additional materials to compare against.

Using *no* standoffs and, instead, clamping at connector points might also
work, as long as there are appropriately machined non-conductive spacers in
areas where the interboard connectors are not carried all the way through
the pc-104 stack. This might save weight (wishful) or not, but could be
cleverly designed to improve shear-force shedding/spreading.

-Doug

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Dave Camarillo
wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Andrew Greenberg 
> wrote:
> >> Hello Airframe Team, attached are a few snapshots of the first
> >> proposed mounting technique for the new PC-104 flight computer
> >> stack...
> >
> > Sweet! I love it!
> >
> >> Constraints:
> >
> > It doesn't look like there's room for a fourth PCB on that stack. Is
> > that true? If not, could we add that possibility? It might turn out to
> > be very, very convenient to have a FC "breakout" board as a fourth board.
> >
>
> There's barely enough room... it will be tight, but I think it's
> doable... see attached images...
>
> > Also, how far apart is the heatsink from the C channel? Can we arrange
> > for it to be exactly one thickness of thermal interface material (TIM)?
>
> Maybe, depends on the thickness of the TIM... there are a few parts
> that will interfere if we move the heat sink any closer to the
> channel... It's currently 0.125" from the channel. How thick is the
> TIM?
>
>
> >
> >> -There is no support on the top edges of the PCB. We could add foam
> >> or other material to help handle upward loads (i.e. during recovery
> >> and hitting the ground. However, this also means that if the battery
> >> box pushes downward, those forces will be passed thru the PCB's, not
> >>  desirable.
> >
> > .. which is why I wouldn't put anything up there. I bet we're OK, unless
> > we lawn dart, but we shouldn't design for that.
> >
> >> There's also the question of how much of a moment can we apply to
> >> those 0.6" standoffs, noting that they are 4-40 threaded.
> >
> > Can we directly answer this question using SolidWorks coolness?
>
> Yes, we can FEA it
>
> >
> > Andrew
> >
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Re: [psas-airframe] Flight Computer Mounting

2011-12-21 Thread Andrew Greenberg
> Hello Airframe Team, attached are a few snapshots of the first 
> proposed mounting technique for the new PC-104 flight computer 
> stack...

Sweet! I love it!

> Constraints:

It doesn't look like there's room for a fourth PCB on that stack. Is
that true? If not, could we add that possibility? It might turn out to
be very, very convenient to have a FC "breakout" board as a fourth board.

Also, how far apart is the heatsink from the C channel? Can we arrange
for it to be exactly one thickness of thermal interface material (TIM)?

> -There is no support on the top edges of the PCB. We could add foam 
> or other material to help handle upward loads (i.e. during recovery 
> and hitting the ground. However, this also means that if the battery 
> box pushes downward, those forces will be passed thru the PCB's, not
>  desirable.

.. which is why I wouldn't put anything up there. I bet we're OK, unless
we lawn dart, but we shouldn't design for that.

> There's also the question of how much of a moment can we apply to 
> those 0.6" standoffs, noting that they are 4-40 threaded.

Can we directly answer this question using SolidWorks coolness?

Andrew

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