A desperet cry for ProTools Help. LOL!

2011-09-29 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I'm an extreme, and I do mean, ex? treme! newby not just to audio production 
with Pro tools, but more to recording in general on the mac, as I'm coming 
from a Windows/Sonar background, so please please please! have major mercy 
on me.  I'm probably at that point where I should know this stuff I'm about 
to ask, and I kind a do, but not very well.  All the docs I've looked at 
unfortunately as far as my level goes may as wel be written in greek.  So 
please you all, stick with me on this, and go easy.  I think once you all 
get me up and going, I'll be good to branch out and explore on my own, but I 
need some fundimental set up help.


OK, let's get started.

First of all, a little background.  Last February, my father passed away due 
to throat cancer.  I know guys, you're going, dude, get to the point.  I am, 
I am, hear me out.  Because of this, I was asked to record the 
instrumentation of god of this city by chris Tomlin for being sung at Dad's 
funeral.  Well, I kind a had my hands tied, as sure I could use Sonar, which 
is what I wound up doing, but I said to myself, this is Dad here, Sonar 
isn't good enough for him.  Plus, I really wanted to get more into doing 
major audio stuff professionally.  I needed Pro tools, bottom line.  So, 
after talking to my church and the members of it, they fund-raised and got 
me a stocked mid 2010 white 13 inch macbook with Snowleopard, and a copy of 
Pro Tools V9.  I then went to my local music store, and purchased a really 
really nice studio grade microphone, as well as a 10 channel Yamaha mixer. 
I love this thing!  Anyway, so, here is the deal.  I'd been using Garage 
Band, even though I had P T, as I wanted to in general get familiar with how 
recording worked on the mac before taking the plunge and openning my P T 
box, and installing.  I finally last night, did it.  I installed P T.  I 
also listenned to the first part done by Kevin Reeves of P T, and it helped 
me more than words could express.  It's a shame that time didn't permit him 
to do more of that tutorial as he said he'd planned to do!  Anyway, so, all 
was great, but then we ran into a couple of deal breakers, which I r'really! 
need help with.


First of all, as most of you know, this is a white macbook, so it's not the 
pro, thus, it only has one audio I/O jack on it.  Depending on what you have 
set in System Prefs/Sound/Input tab, that jack will either/or.  In other 
words, it'll either function as a line in, or as a line out.  It can't do 
both at the same time, obviously.  This means, if I plug my mixer in from 
the line out of my board via RCA to the 8th inch line in on the macbook, 
well, that's all great, but, whoops? Now we have no headphone jack except on 
the mixer, which does absolutely no good with how I just described my setup. 
Yeah, I have A U X control dials on my different channels on the board, but 
don't know how they're used.  I do have a few send/receives on my board as 
well, but again, don't know how to use/work them.  Ideally that probably 
would be my best option, but, I've gotta go now with what I have and *do* 
know.  OK, so, here's the deal.  Let's just assume I plug nothing at all in 
to the board or the macbook, in fact, let's just forget I even have a mixer 
for a minute.  I create a new session, then insert an audio track.  I then 
enable it for record.  I hear my internal eye-sight microphone through my 
speakers just fine.  If I plug in headphoens to the 8th inch jack and set it 
to be an output jack, I still! hear my internal mike.  So, that's good. Now, 
here is the catch gotcha, though.  Now, let's put the mixer in the equasion. 
So I have my mike plugged via x l r into channel 1 on my mixer, which is a 
mono channel and only can accept xlr inputs, as the first 4 channels are 
strictly made for microphones which of corse are gonna be mono.  These 4 
jacks have a phantom power setting on them, which I do have turned on.  My 
mik,e I got does require phantom power.  That's done through my mixer, just 
a little button I mash which turns it on globally throughout the entire 
board.  I'm probably giving you all more info than needed, but I want you 
all to totally get what is happenning so I can be offered my best option.


OK, so now, our internal mike was working.  Now, say that I plug from the 
line out RCA red/white to the 8th inch gold tip on the other end and go into 
my macbook's audio port, and switch it to input/line in.  OK, now, I have no 
way to monitor via head phones.  So, I have an SB Live 24 bit external USB 
sound card.  This thing has a mike jack, and a speaker/earphone jack.  Both 
of which are 8th inch.  I also have a gain control on the card which is a 
nob to control the mike input.  So essentially, I could make that mike jack, 
being it is stereo believe it or not, a line in just by turning the gain way 
way down to lower the impedance level.  Trust me, in Windows, I do it all 
the time.  It works.  It's important I add this is just a 

Re: A desperet cry for ProTools Help. LOL!

2011-09-29 Thread Monkey Pusher
First off kevin your typing is better than  mine onf a full keyboard.
Secondly  I have to agree, ditch the mixer, sell it,  return it if you
ar still in the stores return policy, or trade it in if the store
takes trade ins. Now where  I will have to disagree with kevin is on
the choice of inexpensive interface he recommended. I would suggest
the tascam US122 mkII. Its around  $100 and while in the same price
point, but i just find  the tascam stuff or even the E-Mu stuff to
have better mic pres and build quality  than the M-Audio stuff. In the
end though the point remains. Ditch the mixer you don't need it. Get
either a M-Audio Fas track or the Tascam US-122 or  similar  USB
interface and your problems will be solved. Oh and to choose your
soundcard in ProTools look under t the set up menu in the Playback
engine option. That one stumped me for a while when i first got PT as
well.

On 9/29/11, Kevin Reeves reeves...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Chris. Unfortunately, you won't really be able to do this the way you
 want in a mannor that will get you the results you need. My suggestion is
 a drastic one, but I'm sure that it will be echoed by the folks on this
 list. Sell your yamaha and get an M Audio Fasttrack Pro or Ultra. The
 money you get from your yamaha will be enough to get a used one. The most
 important part of recording is the interface. I'm not sure why your music
 store sold you a studio grade mic, but did not insist on you getting an
 interface rather than a mixer. Or at least recommended a mixer that has
 USB connectivity on it. They should all be fired. You're trying to use
 less than consumer grade hardware for a task that it just can't perform.
 The macbook soundcard is really only for monitoring, and in little bits.
 You can get an interface with several inputs on it for about $150, which
 would be set up in minutes. You could research how to use the Pro Tools
 aggregate device, and try to get it to work, but the latency will be
 horrible between 2 soundcards and it won't be worth the trouble. Ditch the
 yamaha and go with an interface designed for this. I hate to give you the
 bad news, but it really can't be done the way you're trying to do it.
 Sorry man.

 Sorry for all the misspellings. I'm writing this on a greyhound bus with a
 bluetooth keyboard on an iPhone. I don't know how to spell check it. Anyway,
 good luck.



 Kevin


Re: A desperet cry for ProTools Help. LOL!

2011-09-29 Thread Christopher Harrington
Hi man,
I'm going to have to agree with Kevin on this one. I've tried that route with 
sonar and other things, and the latency is so bad that every things pretty much 
unusable.
I bought a focus rite 6 USB used for about a hundred and twenty bucks, and it 
works great. Sell the mixer and grab an interface. that's my suggestion. I hate 
to be yet another bearer of bad news…
I hope this helps, and best of luck to you!!!
Chris Harrington, . 
On Sep 29, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:

 
 Hey Chris. Unfortunately, you won't really be able to do this the way you 
 want in a mannor that will get you the results you need. My suggestion is a 
 drastic one, but I'm sure that it will be echoed by the folks on this list. 
 Sell your yamaha and get an M Audio Fasttrack Pro or Ultra. The money you 
 get from your yamaha will be enough to get a used one. The most important 
 part of recording is the interface. I'm not sure why your music store sold 
 you a studio grade mic, but did not insist on you getting an interface 
 rather than a mixer. Or at least recommended a mixer that has USB 
 connectivity on it. They should all be fired. You're trying to use less than 
 consumer grade hardware for a task that it just can't perform. The macbook 
 soundcard is really only for monitoring, and in little bits. You can get an 
 interface with several inputs on it for about $150, which would be set up in 
 minutes. You could research how to use the Pro Tools aggregate device, and 
 try to get it to work, but the latency will be horrible between 2 soundcards 
 and it won't be worth the trouble. Ditch the yamaha and go with an interface 
 designed for this. I hate to give you the bad news, but it really can't be 
 done the way you're trying to do it. Sorry man.
 
 Sorry for all the misspellings. I'm writing this on a greyhound bus with a 
 bluetooth keyboard on an iPhone. I don't know how to spell check it. Anyway, 
 good luck.
 
 
 
 Kevin