Unzipping content into current directory widely considered poor practice

2009-11-20 Thread Dan Brickley
Hello, I understand from http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-widgets-20091029/ that this is the place to direct my feedback on the widget packaging spec, and that I have missed the Last Call deadline by one day. I hope you will consider my plea anyway, since it is based on evaluation of an

RE: Security evaluation of an example DAP policy

2009-11-20 Thread Marcin Hanclik
Hi Jonas, Thanks for your comments. The below policy actually blocks access to all device APIs for all websites (up to bugs in the RE, now I think it should be /.*/ instead of /.+/), thus actually expresses the currently applied policy available in the browsers. I.e. it already works to some

Re: [widgets] About the test suite

2009-11-20 Thread Cyril Concolato
Hi Robin, Robin Berjon a écrit : On Nov 14, 2009, at 04:30 , Marcos Caceres wrote: Also, we are working on an implementation of the widget spec but we don't have support for HTML, only SVG. The tests are currently designed with HTML start files. Would it be possible to have alternative

Re: Seeking pre-LCWD comments for: Server-sent Events, Web {Database, Sockets, Storage Workers}; deadline 19 November

2009-11-20 Thread Arthur Barstow
Hi All, On Nov 4, 2009, at 8:46 AM, Barstow Art (Nokia-CIC/Boston) wrote: As noted on 23 October [1], the following HTML5 APIs are ready or very close to being ready for Last Call Working Draft (LC): 1. Server-Sent Events http://dev.w3.org/html5/eventsource/ 2. Web Database

RE: [Widgets] LCWD#3 comments (2)

2009-11-20 Thread Marcin Hanclik
Hi Marcos, 3. say that parameter is allowed, but if it includes an encoding parameter, then @encoding beats it (or the other way around). OK let start file encoding be the value of the last supported parameter components whose purpose is to declare the character encoding of the start file.

[widgets] LCWD#3 comments (3)

2009-11-20 Thread Marcin Hanclik
Hi Marcos, It seems I found another problem in RFC. 7.4 valid-MIME-type = type / subtype *(; parameter) and we refer to RFC2045 that says: [1] content := Content-Type : type / subtype *(; parameter) Then, RFC2045 gives examples like: [2] Content-type: text/plain;

Re: [widgets] multiple co-authors

2009-11-20 Thread Scott Wilson
Thanks Marcos, I'm happy with this solution. S On 19 Nov 2009, at 21:05, Marcos Caceres wrote: On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Marcos Caceres marc...@opera.com wrote: Hi Scott, Artb would like to include this comment as part of our Disposition of Comments for PC. We intend to republish

Re: [widgets] Test suite: problem with test cases

2009-11-20 Thread Scott Wilson
Another test case issue: Assertion 30: test ag, ah === I think these two got mixed up; ag should result in P A S S and ah should result in PASS. S On 19 Nov 2009, at 23:05, Marcos Caceres wrote: On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Scott Wilson scott.bradley.wil...@gmail.com

CfC: to publish LCWD of: Sever-Sent Events, Web Storage and Web Workers; deadline 27 November

2009-11-20 Thread Arthur Barstow
This is a Call for Consensus to publish a Last Call Working Draft of each of the following specs: 1. Server-Sent Events http://dev.w3.org/html5/eventsource/ 2. Web Storage http://dev.w3.org/html5/webstorage/ 3. Web Workers http://dev.w3.org/html5/workers/ This CfC satisfies the

RE: [widgets] LCWD#3 comments (3)

2009-11-20 Thread Marcin Hanclik
Hi Marcos, All, For the purposes of my LC comments, I am satisfied with the text in PC as it is in section 7.4. Thanks, Marcin Marcin Hanclik ACCESS Systems Germany GmbH Tel: +49-208-8290-6452 | Fax: +49-208-8290-6465 Mobile: +49-163-8290-646 E-Mail: marcin.hanc...@access-company.com From:

Re: Let's turn WebDatabase into a WG Note

2009-11-20 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:23:38 +0100, Adrian Bateman adria...@microsoft.com wrote: ...As I noted at TPAC, at Microsoft we don't think we'll collectively be able to achieve reasonable interop because of the SQL dialect issue ... it seems unlikely that there will be two independent

Re: [widgets] Test suite: problem with test cases

2009-11-20 Thread Samuel Santos
Thanks Scott, It's fixed now. -- Samuel Santos http://www.samaxes.com/ On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Scott Wilson scott.bradley.wil...@gmail.com wrote: Another test case issue: Assertion 30: test ag, ah === I think these two got mixed up; ag should result in P A S S

Re: [widgets] About the test suite

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
Cyril Concolato wrote: Yes I agree, that should not be difficult, I've already manually created the green/red SVG files. But I was wondering about the order given in the default start files table. For example, if a widget package contains both a index.htm and index.svg, is the UA required to

Re: Security evaluation of an example DAP policy

2009-11-20 Thread Jeremy Orlow
These are reasons, but I think the greatest cause of our concern is that we have not seen any examples of how policies can provide the same level of security that baking security into the API from the beginning can provide. All too often the policy based approaches fall back on either asking the

Re: Security evaluation of an example DAP policy

2009-11-20 Thread Frederick Hirsch
Jeremy Thanks. I want to make sure I understand the concerns. I guess the question is whether one can bake all the security in that is needed for various (possibly conflicting) use cases, including those that do not presume user interaction. An argument for policy is to decouple the

Re: Security evaluation of an example DAP policy

2009-11-20 Thread Jeremy Orlow
I'm not saying that there is no need for policies (you listed two great examples of where they can be useful). They seem useful for overriding default secure behavior that we require for the web. All that I (and I believe others) am saying is that security cannot completely be decoupled from the

RE: Let's turn WebDatabase into a WG Note

2009-11-20 Thread Adrian Bateman
On Friday, November 20, 2009 4:44 AM, Charles McCathieNevile wrote: On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:23:38 +0100, Adrian Bateman adria...@microsoft.com wrote: ...As I noted at TPAC, at Microsoft we don't think we'll collectively be able to achieve reasonable interop because of the SQL dialect issue

Re: [Widgets] LCWD#3 comments (2)

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
Marcin Hanclik wrote: Hi Marcos, 3. say that parameter is allowed, but if it includes an encoding parameter, then @encoding beats it (or the other way around). OK let start file encoding be the value of the last supported parameter components whose purpose is to declare the character

Re: Security evaluation of an example DAP policy

2009-11-20 Thread Frederick Hirsch
Marcin do you have any more comment on any of the following from the draft policy requirements document? http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy-reqs/#use-cases Example Widget use cases, to give examples of the types of policy that might be expressed: • A Widget whose signature chains to

RE: Security evaluation of an example DAP policy

2009-11-20 Thread Marcin Hanclik
Hi Frederick, My comment inline below. I think, it would be good if someone else involved in BONDI verified my below statements. Do you have any more to add, or better use cases? I was going to ask about premium rate numbers so thanks for bringing that up. As below, maybe we should ask GSMA or

Re: [widgets] About the test suite

2009-11-20 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi Cyril, On Nov 20, 2009, at 09:52 , Cyril Concolato wrote: Yes I agree, that should not be difficult, I've already manually created the green/red SVG files. But I was wondering about the order given in the default start files table. For example, if a widget package contains both a

Re: Re: Request for Reviewers: Section 7.4 of Web Security Context: User Interface Guidelines; deadline Sep 24 ( LC-2255)

2009-11-20 Thread Mary Ellen Zurko
Hi Adam, The editors draft has been updated with the items from our last emails: http://www.w3.org/2006/WSC/drafts/rec/rewrite.html Please raise any additional issues by November 27. Thanks. Mez

Re: Unzipping content into current directory widely considered poor practice

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Dan Brickley dan...@danbri.org wrote: Hello, I understand from http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-widgets-20091029/ that this is the place to direct my feedback on the widget packaging spec, and that I have missed the Last Call deadline by one day. I hope you will

Re: Unzipping content into current directory widely considered poor practice

2009-11-20 Thread Arthur Barstow
Hi Dan, Thanks for you comment. WebApps welcomes comments for any of its specs at any time. You are correct, however, that your comment below missed the LC#3 comment deadline and as such will not be reflected in CR#2. However, we will discuss your e-mail and depending upon the results

Re: Unzipping content into current directory widely considered poor practice

2009-11-20 Thread Dan Brickley
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Marcos Caceres marc...@opera.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Dan Brickley dan...@danbri.org wrote: Hello, I understand from http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-widgets-20091029/ that this is the place to direct my feedback on the widget packaging spec,

Re: Security evaluation of an example DAP policy

2009-11-20 Thread Robin Berjon
On Nov 20, 2009, at 01:26 , Maciej Stachowiak wrote: For what it's worth, I think any API that opened a dialog asking the user Do you want to give website X access to directory Y in your file system would not be an API we'd be willing to implement in firefox. I.e. our security policy would be

Re: Security evaluation of an example DAP policy

2009-11-20 Thread Adam Barth
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com wrote: DAP will handle security at the API definition level. Full stop. Can you elaborate on what this means concretely? For example, how is security handled at the API definition level for the file writing API? Adam

Re: [widgets] Test suite: problem with test cases

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
Robin pointed out that the following test was also wrong : http://samaxes.svn.beanstalkapp.com/widgets_compatibility_matrix/trunk/test-cases/ta-klLDaEgJeU/002/ Now fixed, but will need to retest. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Samuel Santos sama...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott, It's fixed

[widgets] default start file table vs. src attribute

2009-11-20 Thread Cyril Concolato
Hi all, While implementing the required features to pass the tests of the test suite, I was wondering if you really want to keep the default start file table. The benefit of this table seems to be just avoiding the use of a content element with an src attribute in the config file while the

[WARP4U] WARP with UPnP, was: RE: [widgets] Draft Minutes for 19 November 2009 Voice Conference

2009-11-20 Thread Marcin Hanclik
Hi All, As discussed on the yesterday's call, I committed to CVS the WARP spec with the section about local network (required for UPnP use cases) at: http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-access-upnp/ Handling of local network is based on my proposal from [1]. Thanks, Marcin [1]

Re: Security evaluation of an example DAP policy

2009-11-20 Thread Robin Berjon
On Nov 20, 2009, at 17:40 , Adam Barth wrote: On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com wrote: DAP will handle security at the API definition level. Full stop. Can you elaborate on what this means concretely? For example, how is security handled at the API definition

Re: [widgets] multiple co-authors

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Scott Wilson scott.bradley.wil...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Marcos, I'm happy with this solution. Great. Your approval has been noted in the disposition of comments: http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42538/WD-widgets-20091029/doc/ -- Marcos

Re: [widgets] default start file table vs. src attribute

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Cyril Concolato cyril.concol...@enst.fr wrote: Hi all, While implementing the required features to pass the tests of the test suite, I was wondering if you really want to keep the default start file table. The benefit of this table seems to be just avoiding

Re: [widgets] About the test suite

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com wrote: Hi Cyril, On Nov 20, 2009, at 09:52 , Cyril Concolato wrote: Yes I agree, that should not be difficult, I've already manually created the green/red SVG files. But I was wondering about the order given in the default

Re: [widgets] default start file table vs. src attribute

2009-11-20 Thread Cyril Concolato
Robin Berjon a écrit : Hi Cyril, On Nov 20, 2009, at 17:58 , Cyril Concolato wrote: While implementing the required features to pass the tests of the test suite, I was wondering if you really want to keep the default start file table. The benefit of this table seems to be just avoiding the

Re: [widgets] default start file table vs. src attribute

2009-11-20 Thread Cyril Concolato
Marcos Caceres a écrit : On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Cyril Concolato cyril.concol...@enst.fr wrote: Hi all, While implementing the required features to pass the tests of the test suite, I was wondering if you really want to keep the default start file table. The benefit of this table

[widgets] about test d1.wgt

2009-11-20 Thread Cyril Concolato
Hi, The test d1.wgt is about the src attribute of the icon element. It says that it tests the following assertion: If the src attribute of this icon element is absent, then the user agent must ignore this element. but the config.xml contains an src attribute with an empty value. This seems a

Re: [widgets] default start file table vs. src attribute

2009-11-20 Thread Robin Berjon
On Nov 20, 2009, at 18:36 , Cyril Concolato wrote: Robin Berjon a écrit : I actually like it, it's one less thing that we need to specify (I was unfavourable to making the configuration requires in the first place). I've implemented it and it works nicely. Yes, it's a bit of a performance

Re: [widgets] about test d1.wgt

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
Hi Cyril, On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Cyril Concolato cyril.concol...@enst.fr wrote: Hi, The test d1.wgt is about the src attribute of the icon element. It says that it tests the following assertion: If the src attribute of this icon element is absent, then the user agent must ignore

RE: Security evaluation of an example DAP policy

2009-11-20 Thread richard.tibbett
Hi, The weather.example.com Widget can connect to weather.example.com without notifying the user, except when roaming. How do we cover the additional 113 million+ domain names (and x number of subdomains) on the web via a policy such as this? Is that a blanket 'deny all' and a fall back to

Re: [widgets] LCWD#3 comments (3)

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Marcin Hanclik marcin.hanc...@access-company.com wrote: Hi Marcos, It seems I found another problem in RFC. 7.4 valid-MIME-type = type / subtype *(; parameter) and we refer to RFC2045 that says: [1] content := Content-Type : type / subtype    

Re: [widgets] LCWD#3 comments (3)

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Nov 20, 2009, at 8:24 PM, Marcin Hanclik marcin.hanc...@access-company.com wrote: Hi Marcos, I don't know, maybe parameter allows spaces? but yeah, that first space after Content-type: seems non-conforming. RFC2045: parameter := attribute = value attribute := token

The most basic File API use case

2009-11-20 Thread Peter O. Ussuri
Hello! This is in reply to Eric Uhrhane's message, and other discussions [1] Various File API use cases discussed in this mailing list are designed to illustrate some kind of expansion of existing browser capabilities, with ensuing discussion of potential new security risks. However, there is

[widgets] FW: [whatwg] FYI: Mozilla's Resource Packages

2009-11-20 Thread Marcin Hanclik
fyi From: whatwg-boun...@lists.whatwg.org [whatwg-boun...@lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Bryan [anthonybr...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 11:18 PM To: wha...@lists.whatwg.org Subject: [whatwg] FYI: Mozilla's Resource Packages More

RE: [widgets] LCWD#3 comments (3)

2009-11-20 Thread Marcin Hanclik
Hi Marcos, All, Just a couple of comments about the consistency of the W3C specifications: XHR (whose editor is also from Opera) says: The term [...] valid MIME type [are] ..is.. defined by the HTML 5 specification. [HTML5] HTML5 says: A string is a valid MIME type if it matches the media-type

Re: The most basic File API use case

2009-11-20 Thread Arun Ranganathan
Peter O. Ussuri wrote: Hello! This is in reply to Eric Uhrhane's message, and other discussions [1] Various File API use cases discussed in this mailing list are designed to illustrate some kind of expansion of existing browser capabilities, with ensuing discussion of potential new security