WebTV Use Cases (was Re: [DRAFT] Web Intents Task Force Charter)

2011-11-14 Thread Giuseppe Pascale
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:01:51 +0100, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com wrote: Hi Rich, On Nov 10, 2011, at 16:27 , Rich Tibbett wrote: Opera would like to explore Local Device and Local Network Discovery as a subset of Web Intents. Yes, and that desire has been heard. As discussed last week,

Re: Discovery and Web Intents (was Re: [DRAFT] Web Intents Task Force Charter)

2011-11-14 Thread Giuseppe Pascale
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 21:34:50 +0100, Dave Raggett d...@w3.org wrote: On 12/11/11 11:42, Giuseppe Pascale wrote: * The UI web page should be able to handle devices appearing and disappearing at random times and be notified of such via events. Is this possible? I'm wondering if tḧis is

Re: [DRAFT] Web Intents Task Force Charter

2011-11-14 Thread Robin Berjon
On Nov 11, 2011, at 18:14 , Clarke Stevens wrote: When can we get the TF tools set up so we can move these conversations to the official forum? Given the useful conversation that we immediately jumped into, I'm considering that we have consensus to move ahead. I'm working with the W3C team to

Re: WebTV Use Cases (was Re: [DRAFT] Web Intents Task Force Charter)

2011-11-14 Thread timeless
As sa note, that document is in violation of http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Translation/ The working language of the W3C is US English. The official version of a W3C document is the US English language version at the W3C site. So I fully expect it to change. On 11/14/11, Giuseppe Pascale

Re: WebTV Use Cases (was Re: [DRAFT] Web Intents Task Force Charter)

2011-11-14 Thread Giuseppe Pascale
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:30:28 +0100, timeless timel...@gmail.com wrote: As sa note, that document is in violation of http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Translation/ The working language of the W3C is US English. The official version of a W3C document is the US English language version at the W3C

Re: WebTV Use Cases (was Re: [DRAFT] Web Intents Task Force Charter)

2011-11-14 Thread Jean-Claude Dufourd
What is the exact problem with this document ? Best regards JC On 14/11/11 13:56 , Giuseppe Pascale wrote: On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:30:28 +0100, timeless timel...@gmail.com wrote: As sa note, that document is in violation of http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Translation/ The working language of the

Re: [XHR2] overrideMimeType in state UNSENT

2011-11-14 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:53:29 +0100, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: If we change this it makes sense to change withCredentials and timeout too I would say. Agreed. I forgot that timeout you could set at any

Re: [XHR2] Disable new response types for sync XHR in Window context

2011-11-14 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:03:53 +0100, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: I think we should strongly encourage web devs to move away from sync XHR (in Window context, not in Workers). It is bad for UI responsiveness. Unfortunately sync XHR has been used quite often with the old text/xml

Re: [DOM4] XML lang

2011-11-14 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 23:07:44 +0200, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: As has been pointed out, you can use Element.matchesSelector(:lang('en-us')) or XPath to test if a node has a given language. However neither lets you actually *get* the language of a node, just check if it matches a

Re: What type should .findAll return

2011-11-14 Thread Allen Wirfs-Brock
On Nov 12, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Yehuda Katz wrote: Yehuda Katz (ph) 718.877.1325 On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Allen Wirfs-Brock al...@wirfs-brock.com wrote: On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 11/13/11 6:10 AM, Allen Wirfs-Brock wrote: I think you're

Re: Indexed database API autoIncrement

2011-11-14 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Sunday, November 13, 2011, Shawn Wilsher m...@shawnwilsher.com wrote: On 10/23/2011 3:04 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: Good catch! This definitely needs to be specified in the spec. I have a weak preference for using 1. This has a smaller risk of triggering edge cases in the client code since

Re: [DOM4] XML lang

2011-11-14 Thread Robin Berjon
On Nov 14, 2011, at 16:43 , Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 23:07:44 +0200, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: As has been pointed out, you can use Element.matchesSelector(:lang('en-us')) or XPath to test if a node has a given language. However neither lets you actually *get*

Re: [XHR2] overrideMimeType in state UNSENT

2011-11-14 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 5:19 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: What about setRequestHeader()? This one is trickier. I would be more concerned about compatibility given that the function has been around forever and has always applied only to the current request. Additionally,

Re: Dropping XMLHttpRequest 1 (just do 2)?

2011-11-14 Thread Giuseppe Pascale
I would like to point out that there could be other specifications out in the wild referencing XHR 1. This doesn't mean that you should not drop XHR 1, but would be good if the WG prepares a (short) note that gives the background around this decision and few info about the XHR 2 work, how

Re: Dropping XMLHttpRequest 1 (just do 2)?

2011-11-14 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Monday, November 14, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Giuseppe Pascale wrote: I would like to point out that there could be other specifications out in the wild referencing XHR 1. This doesn't mean that you should not drop XHR 1, but would be good if the WG prepares a (short) note that gives the

Re: Dropping XMLHttpRequest 1 (just do 2)?

2011-11-14 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:19:37 +0100, Marcos Caceres w...@marcosc.com wrote: Better yet, dump the 2 version number and just have /XMLHttpRequest2/ point to /XMLHttpRequest/. Everything in 1 is in 2, so making a big deal out of this is a valuable waste of time justifying the decision. There

Re: Dropping XMLHttpRequest 1 (just do 2)?

2011-11-14 Thread Giuseppe Pascale
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:31:55 +0100, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:19:37 +0100, Marcos Caceres w...@marcosc.com wrote: Better yet, dump the 2 version number and just have /XMLHttpRequest2/ point to /XMLHttpRequest/. Everything in 1 is in 2, so making a

Re: What type should .findAll return

2011-11-14 Thread Rick Waldron
[snip] ES5.1 clause 8.6.2 says: The value of the [[Class]] internal property of a host object may be any String value except one of Arguments, Array,... In other words, host object provides (such as a DOM implementation) are not allowed to define new kinds of objects whose

Re: Last Call Comments on Web Storage

2011-11-14 Thread Arthur Barstow
Hi Ashok, I agree with Tab's comments and wanted to mention some of the related history ... The relationships between WebApps' various database related specs has been discussed before and [DB-wiki] was created to help clarify the relationships. The good news is there are now 2 specs rather

Re: Last Call Comments on Web Storage

2011-11-14 Thread Yehuda Katz
I don't think it's controversial amongst practitioners that both Web Storage and IndexedDB are useful and should exist. WebStorage is a very simple key-value store that is useful for very common, simple cases, while IndexedDB is a full-on database solution more appropriate for complex cases. One

Re: What type should .findAll return

2011-11-14 Thread Yehuda Katz
It seems as though the spec intends to disallow host objects (i.e. DOM) from fully acting like an Array, which is clearly the intent here. Perhaps this is a time for willful disobedience and a correction in ES6? Yehuda Katz (ph) 718.877.1325 On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Rick Waldron

Re: What type should .findAll return

2011-11-14 Thread Brendan Eich
On Nov 14, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Yehuda Katz wrote: It seems as though the spec intends to disallow host objects (i.e. DOM) from fully acting like an Array, which is clearly the intent here. Perhaps this is a time for willful disobedience and a correction in ES6? Calm down -- this

Re: What type should .findAll return

2011-11-14 Thread Yehuda Katz
Sorry, I was making a joke (referencing 1.5.2 of the HTML5 spec), not intending to be confrontational. The underlying issue here is just making it possible for Array.isArray to return true for an Array of DOM nodes that is also enhanced with extra features. Jonas had specifically said that he

Re: What type should .findAll return

2011-11-14 Thread Brendan Eich
On Nov 14, 2011, at 3:32 PM, Yehuda Katz wrote: Sorry, I was making a joke (referencing 1.5.2 of the HTML5 spec), not intending to be confrontational. Ah, I get it -- indeed such deviations were one of the reasons for creating public-script-coord. SO I get it but I didn't lul. :-| The

Re: What type should .findAll return

2011-11-14 Thread Yehuda Katz
Yehuda Katz (ph) 718.877.1325 On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Brendan Eich bren...@mozilla.org wrote: On Nov 14, 2011, at 3:32 PM, Yehuda Katz wrote: Sorry, I was making a joke (referencing 1.5.2 of the HTML5 spec), not intending to be confrontational. Ah, I get it -- indeed such

[Bug 14830] New: Specify where index values are gotten from

2011-11-14 Thread bugzilla
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14830 Summary: Specify where index values are gotten from Product: WebAppsWG Version: unspecified Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P2

Re: [indexeddb] Keypath attribute lookup question

2011-11-14 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Israel Hilerio isra...@microsoft.com wrote: On Wednesday, November 09, 2011 4:47 PM, Joshua Bell wrote: On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Israel Hilerio isra...@microsoft.com wrote: In section

Re: innerHTML in DocumentFragment

2011-11-14 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: I don't think we should make up rules for where it makes sense to insert DOM and where it doesn't. After all, we support .innerHTML on all HTML elements

Re: What type should .findAll return

2011-11-14 Thread Allen Wirfs-Brock
On Nov 14, 2011, at 3:32 PM, Yehuda Katz wrote: Sorry, I was making a joke (referencing 1.5.2 of the HTML5 spec), not intending to be confrontational. The underlying issue here is just making it possible for Array.isArray to return true for an Array of DOM nodes that is also enhanced

Re: Web Messaging Intents, was: Re: [DRAFT] Web Intents Task Force Charter

2011-11-14 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 11/13/11 3:18 PM, Paul Kinlan wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:35 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com mailto:ch...@jumis.com wrote: On 11/10/11 3:10 PM, Greg Billock wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Rich Tibbett ri...@opera.com mailto:ri...@opera.com wrote:

Re: Web Messaging Intents, was: Re: [DRAFT] Web Intents Task Force Charter

2011-11-14 Thread Charles Pritchard
So, to make things difficult again -- how do we monitor progress? When I'm saving to the cloud, I want my XHR onprogress. I don't need high-fidelity progress events -- they don't even make sense when one server is copying to another, but I do need something, otherwise we're back in the dark

RE: What type should .findAll return

2011-11-14 Thread Travis Leithead
From: Allen Wirfs-Brock [mailto:al...@wirfs-brock.com] Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 6:12 PM For right now, there are two ways you could quickly go that don't conflict with ES5.1 at all: 1) you can specify that .findAll returns a plain vanilla ECMAScript Array object. 2) you can define