Re: [websockets] Getting WebSockets API to Last Call

2011-07-08 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 00:55:11 +0200, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: I don't have an opinion on url parsing since I don't know enough about it. However throwing an exception on an invalid URI sounds good to me. I do not think we would want to start throwing on spaces appearing in e.g.

Re: [indexeddb] Calling update on a cursor index with a unique value constraint

2011-07-08 Thread Jeremy Orlow
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:41 PM, Jeremy Orlow jor...@chromium.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Israel Hilerio isra...@microsoft.com We believe an error should be thrown because of the violation of the unique

Re: [WebIDL] Exceptions

2011-07-08 Thread Robin Berjon
On Jul 7, 2011, at 21:47 , Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 7 Jul 2011, Jonas Sicking wrote: It's a pain since it forces us to try to coordinate codes across multiple specifications, working groups and standards organizations. Anything that allows us to _not_ coordinate is an epic disaster,

Re: Mutation events replacement

2011-07-08 Thread Sean Hogan
On 8/07/11 8:28 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 3:21 PM, John J Barton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote: Jonas Sicking wrote: We are definitely short on use cases for mutation events in general which is a problem. 3. Client side dynamic translation. Intercept mutations

Re: [websockets] Getting WebSockets API to Last Call

2011-07-08 Thread Arthur Barstow
On 7/7/11 6:00 PM, ext Adrian Bateman wrote: We're keen to resolve the remaining issues with the WebSockets API and have a timetable to get to Candidate Recommendation. From informal conversations we've had, we believe other browser vendors share this goal. I think the current WebSocket API is

Re: [eventsource] Is Server-Sent Events ready for LC? ; deadline July 1

2011-07-08 Thread Arthur Barstow
On 7/6/11 5:49 PM, ext Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 6 Jul 2011, Arthur Barstow wrote: Do you oppose others submitting fixes to your spec bugs? If someone is interested in submitting fixes, they are welcome to contact me, so that I can work with them to work out how we can get something set up.

Re: Mutation events replacement

2011-07-08 Thread timeless
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 6:21 PM, John J Barton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote: 1. Graphical breakpoints. The user marks some DOM element or attribute to trigger break. The debugger inserts mutation listeners to watch for the event that causes that element/attribute to be created/modified.

Re: Mutation events replacement

2011-07-08 Thread Sean Hogan
On 8/07/11 10:21 PM, Sean Hogan wrote: On 8/07/11 8:28 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 3:21 PM, John J Barton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote: Jonas Sicking wrote: We are definitely short on use cases for mutation events in general which is a problem. 3. Client side

RE: [FileAPI] FileReader.readAsXXX when pased null

2011-07-08 Thread Adrian Bateman
On Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:21 PM, Arun Ranganathan wrote: On 7/6/11 10:13 PM, Cameron McCormack wrote: There was a recent change in Web IDL which made interface types (like the readAsXXX argument types) not include null by default, and if you want to allow null, to write it as “Type?”.

Re: Mutation events replacement

2011-07-08 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 5:21 AM, Sean Hogan shogu...@westnet.com.au wrote: - MathJax (http://mathjax.org) is a JS lib that facilitates putting math onto the web by converting LaTeX or MathML markup in a page to HTML. By default MathJax triggers off the onload event to run this conversion on the

Re: Mutation events replacement

2011-07-08 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 5:21 AM, Sean Hogan shogu...@westnet.com.au wrote: On 8/07/11 8:28 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 3:21 PM, John J Barton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com  wrote: Jonas Sicking wrote:  We are definitely short on use cases for mutation events in general

Re: [WebIDL] Exceptions

2011-07-08 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Anything that allows us to _not_ coordinate is an epic disaster, IMHO. We absolutely should be coordinating. How else can we ensure the platform is a consistent platform? This is a feature, not a bug. Maybe, but I still think

RE: [indexeddb] openCursor optional parameters issue

2011-07-08 Thread Eliot Graff
Thanks, Jonas. I made the changes to the sync and async versions of openKeyCursor and will absolutely update Overview whenever I merge. An up-to-date draft is a happy draft. :-) E -Original Message- From: Jonas Sicking [mailto:jo...@sicking.cc] Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 5:47

RE: [indexeddb] IDBTransaction.oncomplete event type equals commit

2011-07-08 Thread Eliot Graff
done -Original Message- From: public-webapps-requ...@w3.org [mailto:public-webapps- requ...@w3.org] On Behalf Of Jonas Sicking Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 6:13 PM To: Israel Hilerio Cc: ben turner; public-webapps@w3.org Subject: Re: [indexeddb] IDBTransaction.oncomplete event type

Re: Mutation events replacement

2011-07-08 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Sean Hogan shogu...@westnet.com.au wrote: On 8/07/11 10:21 PM, Sean Hogan wrote: - ARIA support in JS libs currently involves updating aria-attributes to be appropriate to behavior the lib is implementing. Attribute mutation listeners would allow an inverse

RE: [indexeddb] IDBRequest.transaction property set to null

2011-07-08 Thread Israel Hilerio
Jonas, what do you think? Israel On Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:35 PM, Jeremy Orlow wrote: I'd be OK with it. Jonas, what do you think? J On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Israel Hilerio isra...@microsoft.commailto:isra...@microsoft.com wrote: On Tuesday, June 28, 2011 11:21 AM, Israel Hilerio

Re: [WebIDL] Exceptions

2011-07-08 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 7 Jul 2011, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Thu, 7 Jul 2011, Jonas Sicking wrote: It's a pain since it forces us to try to coordinate codes across multiple specifications, working groups and standards organizations.

[Bug 13104] 1) ping(msg); //allow client to send server ping as per websocket spec 2) onpong(); //allow client to receive response of ping

2011-07-08 Thread bugzilla
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13104 Ian 'Hixie' Hickson i...@hixie.ch changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED

Re: [websockets] Getting WebSockets API to Last Call

2011-07-08 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 7 Jul 2011, Adrian Bateman wrote: 10213 - The definition of absolute url makes https:foo not an absolute url Open, Assigned to Adam Barth MICROSOFT PROPOSAL: Section 3 of the protocol spec (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-09#section-3) shows the

Overview of behavior attachment as a general problem on the Web

2011-07-08 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
As a background for the wider Component Model discussion, I put together an overview of the general behavior attachment problem on the Web: http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Behavior_Attachment Please take a look. Comments, additions, and critique are appreciated. :DG

Re: [websockets] Getting WebSockets API to Last Call

2011-07-08 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 7 Jul 2011, Jonas Sicking wrote: 12816 - Make second argument in constructor an object for future extensibility I'd like to see this change made too. So far there's been two counter proposals in the bug for how to deal with future extensions (which I strongly suspect we'll end

Call for Prior Art Related to US Patent 7,743,336 and US Patent Application 20070101146

2011-07-08 Thread Philippe Le Hegaret
This is a public call for prior art. The W3C seeks information about access control systems available before October 2005 and content distribution systems before April 2006 that offer a viable solution that may apply to the use of access requests policy in Widgets. On 13 November 2009, pursuant

Re: [WebIDL] Exceptions

2011-07-08 Thread Robin Berjon
On Jul 8, 2011, at 21:56 , Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 8 Jul 2011, Robin Berjon wrote: Obviously we should coordinate, but coordination is time-consuming. Coordinating exceptions codes is just a matter of checking a wiki page. It's hardly time-consuming. It only takes one person to forget

Re: [WebIDL] Exceptions

2011-07-08 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: If the proposal is to make all exceptions have a name property (or whatever we call it) whether in ES, in DOM, or anywhere else, and to have everyone pick consistent exception names, then I'm fine with that. If we do do that then

[websockets] Making optional extensions mandatory in the API (was RE: Getting WebSockets API to Last Call)

2011-07-08 Thread Adrian Bateman
On Friday, July 08, 2011 1:12 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: 12917 - deflate-stream should be an optional extension when establishing a connection Resolved, WontFix MICROSOFT PROPOSAL: We strongly disagree with the API spec overruling the protocol spec on what is optional in the protocol. The

Re: [websockets] Making optional extensions mandatory in the API (was RE: Getting WebSockets API to Last Call)

2011-07-08 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 8 Jul 2011, Adrian Bateman wrote: I strongly disagree. We must have interoperability amongst browser user agents. Having some support compression and others not would lead to authoring mistakes and will force us into either having or not having compression based on how big

Re: [indexeddb] IDBRequest.transaction property set to null

2011-07-08 Thread Jonas Sicking
I think setting the event.transaction to the newly created transaction for setVersion's success event makes sense (we might even do that in the firefox implementation iirc, but i'm not fully sure). For all the other events mentioned in the original comment of this thread it needs to be null as no

Re: [WebIDL] Exceptions

2011-07-08 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 8 Jul 2011, Robin Berjon wrote: On Jul 8, 2011, at 21:56 , Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 8 Jul 2011, Robin Berjon wrote: Obviously we should coordinate, but coordination is time-consuming. Coordinating exceptions codes is just a matter of checking a wiki page. It's hardly

Re: [websockets] Getting WebSockets API to Last Call

2011-07-08 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Thu, 7 Jul 2011, Jonas Sicking wrote: 12816 - Make second argument in constructor an object for future extensibility I'd like to see this change made too. So far there's been two counter proposals in the bug for how to

RE: [indexeddb] IDBRequest.transaction property set to null

2011-07-08 Thread Israel Hilerio
Yes, this should only impact the setVersion onsuccess handler and not the open onsuccess handler. We're in agreement :-). I will work with Eliot to update the spec here. Israel On Friday, July 08, 2011 4:18 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: I think setting the event.transaction to the newly created

Re: Overview of behavior attachment as a general problem on the Web

2011-07-08 Thread John J. Barton
On 7/8/2011 1:18 PM, Dimitri Glazkov wrote: As a background for the wider Component Model discussion, I put together an overview of the general behavior attachment problem on the Web: http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Behavior_Attachment Please take a look. Comments, additions, and critique are

Re: Overview of behavior attachment as a general problem on the Web

2011-07-08 Thread Garrett Smith
On 7/8/11, Dimitri Glazkov dglaz...@chromium.org wrote: As a background for the wider Component Model discussion, I put together an overview of the general behavior attachment problem on the Web: http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Behavior_Attachment Please take a look. Comments, additions, and