Re: [WebIDL] Feedback on the August 30 Editor's draft

2009-09-02 Thread Shiki Okasaka
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Travis Leithead wrote: >>> 2- property inheritance (regarding 4.4.3 [interface prototype objects]) > >>Is this for the accessor (getter/setter) introduced in ECMAScript 5? > > Yes and no. Before ES5, browser venders still have ways of getting the > getter/setter pai

RE: [WebIDL] Feedback on the August 30 Editor's draft

2009-09-02 Thread Travis Leithead
>> 2- property inheritance (regarding 4.4.3 [interface prototype objects]) >Is this for the accessor (getter/setter) introduced in ECMAScript 5? Yes and no. Before ES5, browser venders still have ways of getting the getter/setter pair (__defineGetter__/ __lookupGetter__), so the scenario is sti

Re: [webdatabase] changeVersion should allow all callbacks to be optional

2009-09-02 Thread Nikunj R. Mehta
On Sep 2, 2009, at 3:12 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, Lachlan Hunt wrote: FWIW, this API is insanely complicated and has way too many callbacks to keep track of. It's caused me a lot of confusion and makes using it incredibly complex. Yeah. Let me know if you have any bett

Re: [webdatabase] changeVersion should allow all callbacks to be optional

2009-09-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, Lachlan Hunt wrote: > > FWIW, this API is insanely complicated and has way too many callbacks to > keep track of. It's caused me a lot of confusion and makes using it > incredibly complex. Yeah. Let me know if you have any better ideas. :-) -- Ian Hickson U

Re: [webdatabase] changeVersion should allow all callbacks to be optional

2009-09-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, Lachlan Hunt wrote: > > The spec currently requires the first 2 callbacks for the > changeVersion method, while the 3rd is optional. The spec should make > all of the callbacks optional so authors don't resort to specifying > empty functions when they don't actually need

Re: [WIDGET URI] i18n comment 1: URI Spec

2009-09-02 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi, On Jul 9, 2009, at 21:15 , ish...@w3.org wrote: We second Martin's comments at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2009AprJun/0067.html . So do we, and we've therefore attempted to address them. The term URI appears to mean URI and *not* IRI universally here. That was

Re: [Widgets] URI Scheme -> URI [+ Scheme]

2009-09-02 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi Marcin, On Jul 26, 2009, at 20:51 , Marcin Hanclik wrote: 1. renaming the Widgets 1.0: URI Scheme specification to Widgets 1.0: URI (or Widgets 1.0: Widget URI or so) I've changed it to "Widgets 1.0: Widget URIs". Not the most elegant title to grace the delicate shores of TR but we've se

Re: Request for Comments: FPWD of Widgets 1.0: URI Scheme spec

2009-09-02 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi Martin, On Jun 22, 2009, at 10:45 , Martin J. Dürst wrote: I'm interested to know how widget: URIs behave with respect to IRIs. The only potentially related text I can find is "Unicode serialisations for widget origins" in 4.3. The draft now stipulates that addresses using the widget URI

Re: [Widget URI] Internationalization, widget IRI?

2009-09-02 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi Marcin, On Jul 24, 2009, at 18:36 , Marcin Hanclik wrote: Why is the Widgets 1.0: URI Scheme about URI and not IRI? Because it was written quickly :) And also because I'm sick and tired of the level of terminology needed to address (no pun intended) what should be a simple field — I'd l

Re: Request for Comments: FPWD of Widgets 1.0: URI Scheme spec

2009-09-02 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi Moz, On Jun 19, 2009, at 10:02 , mozer wrote: 1) In the same spirit as WARP, it would be interesting to make HTML5 reference, an informative one After careful consideration I believe that you are right — there is no direct normative dependency. It is now informative. 2) Probably the lin

Re: Last-call comment: Widgets 1.0: APIs and Events

2009-09-02 Thread Marcos Caceres
Hi Graham, On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Graham Klyne wrote: > Re: http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-widgets-apis-20090818/ > > This document appears to be mis-titled. > > Although it claims "This specification defines APIs and events ...", I can > see nothing that I recognize as defining an "event".

Re: [widget] relax NG schema

2009-09-02 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Robin Berjon wrote: > On Sep 2, 2009, at 12:19 , Marcos Caceres wrote: >> >> Yeah, but for now it's better for us humans so we can just view the >> content in the browser. Having to download the file, open it in editor, etc, >> etc. is a PITA. Once the document matur

Last-call comment: Widgets 1.0: APIs and Events

2009-09-02 Thread Graham Klyne
Re: http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-widgets-apis-20090818/ This document appears to be mis-titled. Although it claims "This specification defines APIs and events ...", I can see nothing that I recognize as defining an "event". #g

Re: [widgets] Widgets URI scheme... it's baaaack!

2009-09-02 Thread Robin Berjon
On May 27, 2009, at 10:15 , Jean-Claude Dufourd wrote: Arve Bersvendsen a écrit : The main issue here, I think, is one of being proactive on this front. Given that absolute URIs are required for resolution, and that UA vendors will, unless specified, have to pick a URI scheme of their own,

Re: [widgets] Widgets URI scheme... it's baaaack!

2009-09-02 Thread Robin Berjon
Jean-Claude, On May 26, 2009, at 17:38 , Jean-Claude Dufourd wrote: 0- the author needs a way to point to resources within the widget package Correct. 1- the "URI scheme will never be used by the author" (written by Marcos), the author will use relative URIs for resources within the widg

Re: [widgets] Widgets URI scheme... it's baaaack!

2009-09-02 Thread Arve Bersvendsen
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:26:19 +0200, Robin Berjon wrote: Reading that thread I don't see a consensus emerging one way or another, and a lot of options appear to be considered that seem to be out of scope (or too close to the metal) for this specification. I see some arguments around using f

Re: [widgets] Widgets URI scheme... it's baaaack!

2009-09-02 Thread Robin Berjon
On May 23, 2009, at 19:21 , Mark Baker wrote: Right. That's the same point Arve made. I don't see a problem with it. Sure, a widget will be able to discover an implementation detail of its widget container - the base URI - but it's still up to the container to permit or deny access to other re

Re: [widgets] Widgets URI scheme... it's baaaack!

2009-09-02 Thread Robin Berjon
On May 22, 2009, at 20:21 , Mark Baker wrote: Ah, right, I didn't realize it was related to a discussion Marcos and I had last year; http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008OctDec/thread.html#msg50 I thought he had (somewhat grudgingly) accepted that way (the use of relative refe

Re: [widgets] Widgets URI scheme... it's baaaack!

2009-09-02 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi Larry, On May 22, 2009, at 17:29 , Larry Masinter wrote: If the widget: scheme is intended for inter-package references then there are security issues with that. If not, then why the UUID? Inter-widget communication is a use case that can be tackled later — this is left as an open door. T

Re: [widgets] Widgets URI scheme... it's baaaack!

2009-09-02 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi Mark, On May 22, 2009, at 15:25 , Mark Baker wrote: I'm curious to learn where the requirement that "Must not allow addressing resources outside a widget" came from? Can you point to a precedent for such a restriction in any other protocol? I remember TimBL writing something to the effect o

Re: [webdatabase] Transaction Locks

2009-09-02 Thread Dumitru Daniliuc
I can't speak for the spec authors, but I can tell you what WebKit does at the moment. We acquire a lock before we run the transaction callback, but just like you, we do not have a timeout that invokes the error callback. So it seems to me like overall our implementations should behave similarly (w

Re: [webdatabase] Transaction Locks

2009-09-02 Thread Jeremy Orlow
+ Dumi who's working on this for Chromium and has dealt with some of these issues recently, IIRC. On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Lachlan Hunt wrote: > Hi, > In the processing model [1], step 2 says: > > "If an error occurred in the opening of the transaction (e.g. if the > user agent failed

Re: [WebIDL] Feedback on the August 30 Editor's draft

2009-09-02 Thread Shiki Okasaka
Hi Travis, > 1- Mixing-in mixins (regarding 4.2.8 [PrototypeRoot], and sundry other > places in the spec) This looks to be a reasonable solution for the problem Andrew and Cameron discussed about to me. > 2- property inheritance (regarding 4.4.3 [interface prototype objects]) Is this for the ac

Re: [Widget URI] Bugs (1)

2009-09-02 Thread Robin Berjon
On Jul 26, 2009, at 23:18 , Marcin Hanclik wrote: The below 1. could be correct if assumed host is "beefdead". I am not sure, however, whether in the widget-URI rule, we use the authority rule from RFC3986, because it is meant to be opaque as specified here: http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widget

[widgets] Draft agenda for 3 September 2009 Voice Conf

2009-09-02 Thread Arthur Barstow
Below is the draft agenda for the 3 Septemmber Widgets Voice Conference (VC). Inputs and discussion before the meeting on all of the agenda topics via public-webapps@w3.org is encouraged (as it can result in a shortened meeting). Please address Open/Raised Issues and Open Actions before t

[web databases] about rowids

2009-09-02 Thread João Eiras
Hi everyone. 1) Currently, SqlResultSet.insertId is defined as a integer. This would prevent user agents to use an underlying database engine that does not rely on integers for rowids. For instance, both SQLite, MS Access, Informix use integers it seems, DB2 uses a transparent type 17 bytes b

Re: [widget] relax NG schema

2009-09-02 Thread Robin Berjon
On Sep 2, 2009, at 12:19 , Marcos Caceres wrote: Yeah, but for now it's better for us humans so we can just view the content in the browser. Having to download the file, open it in editor, etc, etc. is a PITA. Once the document matures and stabilizes, then we will serve it properly. More i

Re: CfC: to publish the First Public Working Draft of Web Database spec; deadline 7 September

2009-09-02 Thread Arthur Barstow
On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:31 PM, ext Laxmi Narsimha Rao Oruganti wrote: I am fine this going for public working draft and hence get reach more people/community for review. OK. From: Robin Berjon [mailto:ro...@berjon.com] ... just to make sure that we are clear on what you are objecting to: th

Re: [widget] relax NG schema

2009-09-02 Thread mozer
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Marcos Caceres wrote: > > > Simon Pieters wrote: >>> >>> I've now run a check on the schema based on the tests and it seems to >>> be correct. I'd appreciate review! >> >> I believe RNC should be served as application/relax-ng-compact-syntax >> rather than text/plai

Re: [widget] relax NG schema

2009-09-02 Thread Marcos Caceres
Simon Pieters wrote: I've now run a check on the schema based on the tests and it seems to be correct. I'd appreciate review! I believe RNC should be served as application/relax-ng-compact-syntax rather than text/plain. Yeah, but for now it's better for us humans so we can just view the co

RE: to publish a new WD of the DOM3 Events spec; deadline Sep 4

2009-09-02 Thread Marcin Hanclik
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Re: [widget] relax NG schema

2009-09-02 Thread Simon Pieters
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:14:42 +0200, Robin Berjon wrote: On Sep 1, 2009, at 19:19 , Marcos Caceres wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Robin Berjon wrote: http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-schema/widgets.rng Good. Cool. So I've made a few changes: - renamed it to .rnc since it's in RNC

Re: CfC: to publish the First Public Working Draft of Web Database spec; deadline 7 September

2009-09-02 Thread Robin Berjon
On Sep 1, 2009, at 19:31 , Laxmi Narsimha Rao Oruganti wrote: LINQ is a hard one to push as LINQ again ties back to Microsoft only (single vendor). As a Microsoft employee I am super excited about LINQ, but as standards advocate LINQ is not the right one. Unless Microsoft puts some effor

Re: [widget] relax NG schema

2009-09-02 Thread Robin Berjon
On Sep 1, 2009, at 19:19 , Marcos Caceres wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Robin Berjon wrote: http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-schema/widgets.rng Good. Cool. So I've made a few changes: - renamed it to .rnc since it's in RNC and not RNG - modularised it as explained earlier — so yo